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you said "star", not megastar.

the only megastar in pro-wrestling right now is Brock Lesnar. MJF won't reach that level
Hey odds are against him. I truly believe he can be the biggest star since Cena. It will take a ton of major breaks but it has for every star before him.

Put it this way,IF there is going to be a megastar from this generation, my money is on MJF as the safest bet. Whether or not that occurs in AEW, or WWE, is something to see as time rolls on.

But he could pull it off in a very JR Ewing/Dan Scott sort of way.
 

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Hey odds are against him. I truly believe he can be the biggest star since Cena. It will take a ton of major breaks but it has for every star before him.

Put it this way,IF there is going to be a megastar from this generation, my money is on MJF as the safest bet. Whether or not that occurs in AEW, or WWE, is something to see as time rolls on.

But he could pull it off in a very JR Ewing/Dan Scott sort of way.
See, it's overrating someone again here.

MJF is a fine talent, good speaker, decent in the ring but my dude is also like 5'9 and under 200 pounds.

If we ever have a guy that breaks out and becomes a megastar again it'll be a guy like Cena or Roman. Big impressive looking men that are attractive to men, women and children, can talk, can wrestle and most importantly connect with an audience.

Right now I don't know who that will be but MJF isn't that guy and I'm a fan of the guy.
 

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See, it's overrating someone again here.

MJF is a fine talent, good speaker, decent in the ring but my dude is also like 5'9 and under 200 pounds.

If we ever have a guy that breaks out and becomes a megastar again it'll be a guy like Cena or Roman. Big impressive looking men that are attractive to men, women and children, can talk, can wrestle and most importantly connect with an audience.

Right now I don't know who that will be but MJF isn't that guy and I'm a fan of the guy.
Likely a bigger guy, yes. Austin/Rock/Goldberg/Cena were all huge. But MJF has that special it factor that literally no one else has today so I will keep my money on him.. Odds are long that there will be another megastar anywhere, WWE has completely given up on trying to create them, odds are low AEW will be able to do it, other than WWF no one else has produced a true megastar other than WCW/Goldberg.

But a storyline is all MJF needs to get there because he could make millions hate him in seconds. That is rare, no one else has been able to do that in years.
 

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other than WWF no one else has produced a true megastar other than WCW/Goldberg.
Oof. That's a massive insult to guys like Flair, Dusty, Lawler, Race etc who went mainstream without the WWE. Hell, even in the Monday Night War era you could argue that Nash, Hall and Sting all hit that megastar status in WCW when before Hall and Nash were simply main event guys in WWE.
 

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You literally don’t know that unless you can see into the future. In which case you should be investing in stocks and playing the lottery.
They’re not stars yet and are capped in AEW.

You’re referring to the sold out in 4 mins, critically raved Double or Nothing that had the Cody-Dustin match and Moxley’s surprise debut, right?
Selling out in 4 minutes during an internet age isn’t as impressive as people make out. You sell out before people have seen the show too.

Double or Nothing also had a Casino Battle Royale for a World Title shot where Glacier froze people with ice magic.

Stone Cold also was performing in front of 3-4 million people every week during a wrestling boom. 3-4 million people watched him weekly on TV and those 3-4 million obviously told their friends or people found out about Stone Cold because at his peak RAW was drawing an overall rating of 7 million people (Most of them being casual wrestling fans). 3-4 million is a much higher number than the 700,000 smart marks who tune into AEW.

For AEW to be successful they need a guy that is going to cross over into the mainstream and bring attention to AEW. None of the guys listed are ever going to do that.
This is it. If you take 3 million people and they each tell three friends about wrestling, if just 10% of those people decide to keep watching, that’s 900k people. If the same thing happens again in a few months, that’s an additional 1.17 million fans.

If the same principle was applied to AEW, then they would get 910k fans after the first instance. And not even 1.2 million after the second. But the retention rate would probably be lower given the lack of popularity.

So Austin ends up performing in from of 4.1 million people, whereas MJF ends up performing in from of 1.2 million. He can’t possibly be a third of the star Austin was within those oarameters

I really dont see AEW 2020 being too far behind WWF 1996 in terms of viewers. It is scaled way differently. AEW is clearly as big as 93-97 WWF/post 2000 WCW.
No way. It’s not even close.

you said "star", not megastar.

the only megastar in pro-wrestling right now is Brock Lesnar. MJF won't reach that level
He might if he leaves AEW. See how this wreaks havoc for the company?
 

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Oof. That's a massive insult to guys like Flair, Dusty, Lawler, Race etc who went mainstream without the WWE. Hell, even in the Monday Night War era you could argue that Nash, Hall and Sting all hit that megastar status in WCW when before Hall and Nash were simply main event guys in WWE.
Argue it away! I love it, I was WCW 4Life. But I am talking mainstream, huge star. Put it this way, the only two WCW wrestlers that I could have seen Vince calling to main event Mania the last 10 years are Goldberg and Hogan. And Hogan was WWF.
 

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Ric Flair and, in the right circumstances, Sting. Scott Steiner if he was healthy and him being Scott Steiner was more of a work. Booker T would have a shot if he was young and healthy today. Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit.

There are plenty of guys, really. I think in this era, Vader would get a shot.
 

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Hey odds are against him. I truly believe he can be the biggest star since Cena. It will take a ton of major breaks but it has for every star before him.

Put it this way,IF there is going to be a megastar from this generation, my money is on MJF as the safest bet. Whether or not that occurs in AEW, or WWE, is something to see as time rolls on.

But he could pull it off in a very JR Ewing/Dan Scott sort of way.
Cena got very lucky, because he came up at a time when pro-wrestling was still fairly popular. MJF and AEW wrestlers have their work cut out for them. I agree that MJF would be the guy to become a megastar in this current/future generation. Hell, he has reached TMZ news. That's not something to be forgotten.

But yes, within pro-wrestling, the guys I mentioned will also be legitimate stars. 99% chance Vince or whoever will be itching to sign these guys when their AEW contracts are up.
 

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Cena got very lucky, because he came up at a time when pro-wrestling was still fairly popular. MJF and AEW wrestlers have their work cut out for them. I agree that MJF would be the guy to become a megastar in this current/future generation. Hell, he has reached TMZ news. That's not something to be forgotten.

But yes, within pro-wrestling, the guys I mentioned will also be legitimate stars. 99% chance Vince or whoever will be itching to sign these guys when their AEW contracts are up.
Oh, for sure. Once these AEW wrestlers contracts starting coming up you will see all the WWE fans constantly lashing out at AEW for signing WWE guys do an about face and be creaming in their pants to add the AEW guys.

I agree that Vince will be after several of them. And if he gets MJF + Hangman, it will be the toughest day in AEW history.
 

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There’s a difference between seeing MJF go to a larger stage and seeing Matt Hardy chew scenery on a smaller one.
 

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I feel like guys are referencing crossover appeal. I don’t think there will ever be a star who can bring in viewers to wrestling. But someone who can maybe become an action hero in movies or something. That’s possible.
 

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Hey odds are against him. I truly believe he can be the biggest star since Cena. It will take a ton of major breaks but it has for every star before him.

Put it this way,IF there is going to be a megastar from this generation, my money is on MJF as the safest bet. Whether or not that occurs in AEW, or WWE, is something to see as time rolls on.

But he could pull it off in a very JR Ewing/Dan Scott sort of way.
In order for him to be a megastar he'd have to be watched by more than 731k viewers which is what hes watched by now in AEW. If MJF will become a big star its going to be in WWE where he'll be watched by 2 million people in the U.S and millions of people around the world.

Likely a bigger guy, yes. Austin/Rock/Goldberg/Cena were all huge. But MJF has that special it factor that literally no one else has today so I will keep my money on him.. Odds are long that there will be another megastar anywhere, WWE has completely given up on trying to create them, odds are low AEW will be able to do it, other than WWF no one else has produced a true megastar other than WCW/Goldberg.

But a storyline is all MJF needs to get there because he could make millions hate him in seconds. That is rare, no one else has been able to do that in years.
WWE has been trying to make Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins into big stars and they even tried it with Dean Ambrose but he flopped. This idea that they don't want to create new stars goes complety against what they've been doing since 2012 when the shield debuted at Survivor Series.

Ric Flair was a big name who wasn't in the WWF so yes theres been "megastars" made outside the WWF other then Goldberg in WCW.

Argue it away! I love it, I was WCW 4Life. But I am talking mainstream, huge star. Put it this way, the only two WCW wrestlers that I could have seen Vince calling to main event Mania the last 10 years are Goldberg and Hogan. And Hogan was WWF.
Ok you're being real disengenious here. Ric Flair was a mainstream star outside the WWF who was in the NWA, AWA, and WCW. WWF wanted Sting but he didn't go because he feared how he'd be booked there so he decided not to go there.
 

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I feel like guys are referencing crossover appeal. I don’t think there will ever be a star who can bring in viewers to wrestling. But someone who can maybe become an action hero in movies or something. That’s possible.
That sucks because if we don't find someone that has that Austin or Hogan in him, wrestling is screwed.
 
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