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THE MAN has come around to collect her debts.
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Considering that they are burning the women's division alive and killing careers for the fictional accolade of surpassing daddy's title reigns, this better be one of the greatest segments of all time. Top 15 all-time moments in WWE history.

How do you think they go about it? What do you predict Vince has planned?
 

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They killed the Women's Movement at Wrestlemania 32 when they had Charlotte go over the 2 most over women at the time (Becky and Sasha). There was no reason for Flair to win as Sasha should have won there beat Charlotte in a blowoff match then build to Sasha/Becky later in the year. Those 2 could have feuded with Paige and perhaps not book Bayley as a loser as a babyface champion who needed her best friend to win as well as retain her title. Bring up Asuka then Ember, Kairi, Alexa and build an actual division not just sacrifical lambs for Vince to let Charlotte kill. Even when Charlotte loses the winner is marginalized.
 

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5 years ago many here were convinced Cena would have 30 world titles by 2020..

Whose career has Charlotte killed?
Rhea Ripley - dead and buried
Bianca Belair - dead and buried
Asuka - killed her at WM 34, then killed her right before WM35
Sasha Banks - killed her career dead for a long time after their feud, she's still not top woman on SD even now
Liv Morgan - lost to Charlotte when she was building momentum, now her push is over
NXT Women's Division - Elevated no one, not even Io Shirai

And this is all before considering the fact she is killing careers by never letting them get TV time over her. (WWE booking of course not her) They even took it a step further and put her on all 3 shows, further taking TV time. Because of the Charlotte agenda, all of those women won't even get a chance to shine until she reaches 17. And who knows if she will stop there? What if she doesn't retire right after?

This celebration has to be over the top and star-making or you can't begin to say it was worth it. After all of this effort and Charlotte backing, are they just gonna strut Ric Flair out there to cry with his daughter?
 

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Rhea Ripley - dead and buried
Bianca Belair - dead and buried
Asuka - killed her at WM 34, then killed her right before WM35
Sasha Banks - killed her career dead for a long time after their feud, she's still not top woman on SD even now
Liv Morgan - lost to Charlotte when she was building momentum, now her push is over
NXT Women's Division - Elevated no one, not even Io Shirai
True, but let's not act like the girl in your avatar hasn't been a momentum killer:

• Sasha Banks - her return last summer
• Asuka - took two clean losses to "Super Power" Becky
• Shayna - Stone Cold Becky couldn't even sell the bite for one week
 

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True, but let's not act like the girl in your avatar hasn't been a momentum killer:

• Sasha Banks - her return last summer
• Asuka - took two clean losses to "Super Power" Becky
• Shayna - Stone Cold Becky couldn't even sell the bite for one week
Sasha Banks I agree with, but Asuka? Not at all. Asuka’s 4 best and highest moments on the main roster came through Becky. She tapped out to Asuka clean at the Rumble and hottest point of her career, she put her over as a beast before their 2nd Rumble match, she lost her SD title to Asuka in the TLC triple threat, and she put her over as the best in the world during her pregnancy announcement. Becky has been the best part of her main roster run. Everything else has been a waste of her talent.

Vince gave up on Shayna. The plan was for her to win at Mania then he changed his mind last second. That’s not on Becky. Shaynas monentum died because Vince decided to book her as the strongest woman in the company after EC then pulled the plug because he realized one day that she wasn’t a blonde.
 

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True, but let's not act like the girl in your avatar hasn't been a momentum killer:

• Sasha Banks - her return last summer
• Asuka - took two clean losses to "Super Power" Becky
• Shayna - Stone Cold Becky couldn't even sell the bite for one week
Becky has done more for Asuka’s career than anyone in the company. She gave her the biggest win of her career by far & even tapped out for her when she was the top star in the company.

Suggesting Becky has ever killed Asuka’s momentum is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever read on here. She has elevated her.
 

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Sasha Banks I agree with, but Asuka? Not at all. Asuka’s 4 best and highest moments on the main roster came through Becky. She tapped out to Asuka clean at the Rumble and hottest point of her career, she put her over as a beast before their 2nd Rumble match, she lost her SD title to Asuka in the TLC triple threat, and she put her over as the best in the world during her pregnancy announcement. Becky has been the best part of her main roster run. Everything else has been a waste of her talent.

Vince gave up on Shayna. The plan was for her to win at Mania then he changed his mind last second. That’s not on Becky. Shaynas monentum died because Vince decided to book her as the strongest woman in the company after EC then pulled the plug because he realized one day that she wasn’t a blonde.
Becky did not kill Sasha’s momentum. She beat her once, in a very good hell in a cell match. Sasha was still hot coming out of that match. Her momentum died when they moved her to Smackdown & she did a clean job for Dana Brooke & disappeared after.

If losing a very competitive hell in a cell match to the top babyface is a “momentum killer” than I don’t understand pro wrestling anymore.

Becky Lynch is nothing like Charlotte Flair in how she sells her feuds. Becky sells for her opponents both in the ring & on the mic. You would never hear Charlotte verbally put an opponent over as a threat the way Becky did with Asuka & Shayna.
 

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Rhea Ripley - dead and buried
Bianca Belair - dead and buried
Asuka - killed her at WM 34, then killed her right before WM35
Sasha Banks - killed her career dead for a long time after their feud, she's still not top woman on SD even now
Liv Morgan - lost to Charlotte when she was building momentum, now her push is over
NXT Women's Division - Elevated no one, not even Io Shirai
Ripley a developmental wrestler who had like one match on NXT tv prior to September 2019 is dead and buried because she lost one long highly competitive match..GTFO.

Charlotte barely interacted with Belair. Belair lost every Takeover singles match she worked so losing to Charlotte on a throwaway tv taping meant jack squat.

Asuka is Raw women's champion last I looked and has gone onto mainevent mainroster ppvs (and win) since Wrestlemania 34.

Sasha Banks mainevented the most watched pro wrestling show on the planet this past Friday. Banks isn't top woman on SD because of two things 1. Her terrible attitude backstage and 2. Her constant injury problems. Nothing to do with Charlotte.

Liv Morgan, we are really scraping bottom of barrel now. Morgan is hot but her ceiling is prelim. That's where she was in NXT. I didn't even remember Charlotte wrestling her until you mentioned it.

NXT women's title mainevent last Takeover. The women's title has to my knowledge only mainevented a takeover once before. I don't buy for a second she didn't help elevate the other two.

This list is the kind of hyperbole you would be critical of if someone wrote it in AEW section.

And this is all before considering the fact she is killing careers by never letting them get TV time over her. (WWE booking of course not her) They even took it a step further and put her on all 3 shows, further taking TV time. Because of the Charlotte agenda, all of those women won't even get a chance to shine until she reaches 17. And who knows if she will stop there? What if she doesn't retire right after?
Please, aren't Sasha and Bayley on all three shows right now..

The argument is horseshit because plenty of women have got tv time and strong pushes since Charlotte debuted on main roster:

1. Lynch was Raw women's champion over a year, never lost, pinned Charlotte multiple times, won Wrestlemania mainevent
2. Asuka longest undefeated streak in company history, multiple accolades, MORE main roster ppv mainevent wins than Charlotte
3. Bayleys been SD champion last 15 months, gets lots of time on TV each week
4. Bliss won 5 or 6 Raw and SD titles within 18 months of debuting on main roster. Only her constant concussions halted her momentum or you would be looking at 10-12 titles by now in a year shorter on main roster.
5. Rousey booked as the biggest thing in WWE for the year she was there well above Charlotte

This celebration has to be over the top and star-making or you can't begin to say it was worth it. After all of this effort and Charlotte backing, are they just gonna strut Ric Flair out there to cry with his daughter?
You guys need to chill and relax. You are hating on someone because of a fantasy in your mind lol
 

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I'm actually care about what's next if Charlotte win her 17th, this is the "big" questions,would she act like Nikki Bella after she broke AJ Lee reign or do something else? It won't be Hollywood since let's be honest, her acting skill need more practice and she ain't John Cena level.
 

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They´ll do it at wrestlemania.. Trot out Ric, have him shed a tear and hope it will be an epic moment. But it won´t.
 

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We will have the shocking revelation that in 2008 ric kidnapped a random down on her luck woman off the street, switched bodies with her and his been masquerading as a woman this whole time to continue wrestling and ensure only he breaks his record.

Bro


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Sasha is still more talented.
All day long, but Sasha speaks her mind, Vince don't like Nah no one will beat the x16. Except John Cena. flair said it's really 21 wins.
Peace.
 

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Presumably Charlotte's 17th reign will be her longest, as someone will have to overcome her to gain wrestling's grandest prize.

So expect a year reign down the road.
 
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