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I could argue that the NXT women's title is one of the most untainted, prestigious titles on all of wrestling. It has almost a flawless title history. So going after that title is no demotion.
You could argue it but you'd be wrong. Prestige is measured in the value of the brand. NXT does well under 1 million viewers a week while Raw and SmackDown do 2+ million. The fact that the people who hold it are talented is worth nothing. People aren't watching it, it's not popular. You've got to be equal to the Raw and SmackDown titles to have an equal title. Right now even the AEW titles are bigger.

And I'm getting tires of this idea that NXT is developmental. It hasn't been for several years now and especially now that they are on mainstream tv twice a week. This is literally the only thing Charlotte could do at mania that wouldn't feel stale and since she for some reason always needs a big match every year, this is the only one that makes sense
It is developmental, though, because it's not part of the main roster. It's taped out of a fucking universty. NXT is only a part of select PPV's, and they don't have equal brand representation on those PPV's. That's developmental. It's still a farm league. What do you think the name "NXT" even means? "Next". As in, future stars, not stars.
 

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I think it's a boost for everyone involved. This is a vast improvement for Charlotte as opposed to the constant Charlotte vs anybody from the main roster. Charlotte landed herself in the only match people actually want to see with her in it. Her vs anyone else would be less than a snooze fest, it'd be a reason to leave early. It'd be a good time for Charlotte to take a clean prime time loss and go off TV for a few months while her and Andrade sweat it out.
 

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I've come round to the idea. If we have to have Charlotte on the card, then I'm happy for her to be away from Becky, Bayley and Asuka for a while. This is all just about getting Charlotte another title reign anyway. Gotta match Daddy's numbers.

While you can see this as a demotion for Charlotte, I think the idea is to use Charlotte's name to elevate the NXT Title. After all, she has complete freedom to go for any championship, and she chooses NXT. It's telling the fans that the NXT belt is worth just as much, if not more to Charlotte right now as the RAW and SDL titles.

Also, I assume that when she wins, she'll be on the NXT programming for a while, so the thinking will be that her presence will pull more viewers to it. I mean, NXT currently pulls what, 1/3 of the RAW/SDL viewership? WWE is doing everything they can to get those eyes on NXT too.
 

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Getting wound up about something is independent from the concept of being a mark, so the above is invalid logic.

Invalid logic in response to criticism usually happens when someone is emotional. Not having a go or anything, just looks funny on the surface lol
It seems as though you're just using the word against anyone that doesn't agree with you...

People giving opinions that aren't the same as yours are "marks", you emotionally giving your opinions is a case of you waking up the sheeple? Okay buddy.
 

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Rhea vs Charlotte ain't happening at Mania.

There's 4 fucking PPVs between now and Mania and they are already brawling in person.

Are you guys new to WWE? When's the last time a wrestler put hands on another wrestler and the match didn't happen for 2 months? What's Charlotte going to do on the main roster until Mania? Is she just going to brawl on NxT with Rhea every week for the for the next 2 months?
 

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Rhea vs Charlotte ain't happening at Mania.

There's 4 fucking PPVs between now and Mania and they are already brawling in person.

Are you guys new to WWE? When's the last time a wrestler put hands on another wrestler and the match didn't happen for 2 months? What's Charlotte going to do on the main roster until Mania? Is she just going to brawl on NxT with Rhea every week for the for the next 2 months?
Rousey and Lynch were putting hands on each other in November and mania took place 5 months later..

Well it's not taking place at nxt Portland that's Ripley vs belair, unlikely women's title match is on Saudi show so that leaves you chamber or nxt tampa
 

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Rousey and Lynch were putting hands on each other in November and mania took place 5 months later..

Well it's not taking place at nxt Portland that's Ripley vs belair, unlikely women's title match is on Saudi show so that leaves you chamber or nxt tampa
Weren't they putting hands on each other because they were supposed to have a match at SvS, but that got fucked up because of Nia breaking her face?
 

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It is developmental, though, because it's not part of the main roster. It's taped out of a fucking universty. NXT is only a part of select PPV's, and they don't have equal brand representation on those PPV's. That's developmental. It's still a farm league. What do you think the name "NXT" even means? "Next". As in, future stars, not stars.
You're not wrong. But WWE is trying to push it as a 3rd main roster show because they know that the quality of the programming, top to bottom, is better than their other established brands. We already have cases of NXT stars that have been offered main roster "promotions", and turned them down. The corner may not have been turned quite yet, but they are running the place as a brand, not as a development territory.

NXT certainly once only meant "Next", but not any more.
NXT is a desired destination for a lot of talent now.

When the UK band, UB40 chose their name, it was based on the code at the top of the unemployment documents that they had to fill out every month. 40 years later, they're millionnaires, but they haven't changed the band name.
 

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Rhea vs Charlotte ain't happening at Mania.

There's 4 fucking PPVs between now and Mania and they are already brawling in person.

Are you guys new to WWE? When's the last time a wrestler put hands on another wrestler and the match didn't happen for 2 months? What's Charlotte going to do on the main roster until Mania? Is she just going to brawl on NxT with Rhea every week for the for the next 2 months?
NXT Portland is already Bianca vs. Rhea.

NXT Tampa, during WrestleMania weekend, is the only PPV that that this match with Charlotte could happen besides WrestleMania I suppose and then Charlotte could be in the Womens Battle Royal at Mania. THAT is a possibility. All of the other PPVs have nothing to do with this feud.

They will figure out a way to stretch this out with Charlotte. Whether she wrestles Natalya again on RAW one week or only cuts a promo the next or wrestles Sarah Logan the next. That has been Charlottes use the majority of the time on RAW since the draft anyway, besides that Kabuki Warriors feud.

I highly doubt that Charlotte will be on NXT every week.
 

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Bottom line. Charlotte vs Rhea is a bad decision period. Just like having Ronda come in and ruin the entire women's division. This will yet again set things back two steps on the main roster. Mark my words. Zero will come of good from this terrible move.
 

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Wow.

If Charlotte goes from the main event of Wrestlemania to winning the rumble to... going for the 3rd-string women’s title match (the NXT belt) somewhere in the middle of the card...

...that’s a massive demotion no matter what you marks say.

NXT only draws 700,000 viewers a week and is the smallest, least successful of all major wrestling shows.

And that’s not perception, that’s a fact.

WWE wants you to believe NXT is not a demotion and that’s why they’re doing this. Pressure from AEW is a factor. You’re a mark if you don’t understand this.
How is it a demotion, if Triple H wants NXT to be the top brand in the company, surpassing Raw and Smackdown?

Charlotte is even the best choice to lead that. Even though she’s basically treated as Superwoman right now by WWE, unlike Cena and Reigns, she has no problem turning heel. That means her feuds, her rivalries will have a more grown up depth to them, meaning its more appealing to adults. And being away from the main roster allows other there to flourish and grow into their own distinct characters. She can’t play a Mad Queen character down the line if she’s perfect and wins all the time. She needs adversaries that actually challenge and threaten her status in order to play one. Plus, moving from NXT to the main roster is considered a demotion. Charlotte going back to NXT could be part of a return for many NXT alumnus that frankly had better writing and character development over there. Considering how a lot of NXT stars have been treated, her return to NXT actually should be considered a promotion.

Rome wasn’t built in a day. Neither will NXT becoming the top brand within WWE. It will take time.
 

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Bottom line. Charlotte vs Rhea is a bad decision period. Just like having Ronda come in and ruin the entire women's division. This will yet again set things back two steps on the main roster. Mark my words. Zero will come of good from this terrible move.
Bottom line, this is the most interesting that Charlotte has been for a year and it puts a spotlight on the NXT Women's Title. Win, win.

The Raw and SD women's title matches need to do something to avoid being overshadowed.

Also, Rousey didn't ruin the women's division. The main reason WWE did so much for the women last year was because of her. Most her matches were also good as she actually tries to be impressive rather than a lot of the other women who are happy with the 3 moves they learnt and don't want to do more. Even when you take away her fame, she's still a good wrestler and ahead of the likes of Naomi, Carmella, Bliss, Evans, Natalya, Nia, etc. When it comes to in ring ability, I'd only have Charlotte and Sasha ahead of her.
 

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Bottom line. Charlotte vs Rhea is a bad decision period. Just like having Ronda come in and ruin the entire women's division. This will yet again set things back two steps on the main roster. Mark my words. Zero will come of good from this terrible move.
Rousey ruined the women's division?

Prior to signing with WWE the woman had only mainevented one ppv in history. They mainevented the Rumble, Wrestlemania, Survivor Series and couple of other b ppvs in the 2 years since she signed. Also got their own exclusive ppv.

Logic suggests giving a 23 year old who you expect to be centerpiece of your division for next decade a big push and focus on the biggest show of the year opposite your most pushed female talent since the 80s should in theory elevate her not devalue her standing.
 

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Rousey ruined the women's division?

Prior to signing with WWE the woman had only mainevented one ppv in history. They mainevented the Rumble, Wrestlemania, Survivor Series and couple of other b ppvs in the 2 years since she signed. Also got their own exclusive ppv.

Logic suggests giving a 23 year old who you expect to be centerpiece of your division for next decade a big push and focus on the biggest show of the year opposite your most pushed female talent since the 80s should in theory elevate her not devalue her standing.
All irrelevant. The only reason why they main evented was because of Ronda. The women didn't earn it on their own. Just a fact. The main event at WM was a gimmick. But instead like they did with having Mayweather or Tyson come in for one shot, they played the long game with Ronda. She ruined the women's division. Just a fact. Now you have Charlotte picking development talent over the main roster. Pathetic. Newsflash, Rhea is way overrated. There's at least 6 women ion NXT that are way more talented than her. The bottom line is Wrestlemania is for main rosters only. If NXT wants to have a little kickoff show match, even that's going to far.
 

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Of course it's a demotion of sorts to have Charlotte anywhere near NXT, but that doesn't mean it's a bad move. It's a great move, especially having Rhea come out and challenge her. It means Charlotte hasn't done it of her own volition and can more focus on Ripley than bringing up NXT as something inferior to her (which is what they'll do anyway unfortunately).

NXT is more entertaining and it's Takeovers are better overall than anything the main roster has done in a long time. That doesn't mean it isn't the C brand - it's run out of a tiny studio and gets half the TV viewers if that. It simply has the stats and aesthetics of the C brand. Thus a demotion for a competitor such as Charlotte who's been at the top of the main shows many times.
 

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All irrelevant. The only reason why they main evented was because of Ronda. The women didn't earn it on their own. Just a fact. The main event at WM was a gimmick. But instead like they did with having Mayweather or Tyson come in for one shot, they played the long game with Ronda. She ruined the women's division. Just a fact. Now you have Charlotte picking development talent over the main roster. Pathetic. Newsflash, Rhea is way overrated. There's at least 6 women ion NXT that are way more talented than her. The bottom line is Wrestlemania is for main rosters only. If NXT wants to have a little kickoff show match, even that's going to far.
1. Opinion about Rousey "ruining the women's division" is an opinion... not a fact. It's also not an opinion with much validity. The women were given a much bigger spotlight.

2. Bianca Belair is the star in the Women's division on NXT so I agree there at least one person better but Ripley is a young talent they want to push as she has the look of someone who can dominate and she has decent matches. All she needs to improve on is her mic work (as does Charlotte as well if we're being fair).

3. WrestleMania is for whoever WWE decide it's for. For announcers, for terrible comedians, for random celebrities, etc. Putting a women's champion from the brand they want to elevate is far from them going crazy.
 

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All irrelevant. The only reason why they main evented was because of Ronda. The women didn't earn it on their own. Just a fact. The main event at WM was a gimmick.
Women had the hottest and most talked about angle heading into Mania so yeah they earned it

But instead like they did with having Mayweather or Tyson come in for one shot, they played the long game with Ronda.
No because Rousey signed full time deal. Much closer to Lesnar signing in 2012.

She ruined the women's division. Just a fact.
How?

Did match quality drop..no
Were the woman demoted down the card..no

In 2017 we had Bayley this is your life and James Ellsworth winning women's mitb so quality and standing of the women dramatically improved in 2018.

Now you have Charlotte picking development talent over the main roster. Pathetic. Newsflash, Rhea is way overrated.
Vince disagrees considering he has been pushing Ripley hard for months now including making her focal point in survivor series.

There's at least 6 women ion NXT that are way more talented than her.
More talented means little in this business. It who promoters think has best chance of getting over and selling tickets.

I personally think it will be Ripley vs Belair vs Charlotte at Mania.

The bottom line is Wrestlemania is for main rosters only. If NXT wants to have a little kickoff show match, even that's going to far.
Considering Mr t, Mayweather, LT, Akebono have worked high profile matches at mania and ECW on Syfy and 205 live (brands who were less well received and unable to stand on their own unlike NXT) matches have taken place at Wrestlemania it's strange to suggest mania is for main roster only.
 

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