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Despite two recent threads discussing wrestling's greatest workers receiving rather lengthy lists and replies (My Top Greatest Wrestlers of All Time and Top 10 most "all round" talents ever), Barry Windham is only mentioned twice. Such an omission seems rather incredulous when you look back upon his career.

While a knee injury in 1993 saw a marked turn in his ability to deliver within the ring, and the WWF's penchant for giving good workers awful gimmicks (The Stalker) tarnishing his image, the inclusion of many great 1980s workers seems to indicate that most are familiar with shows from that era. If so, and considering Windham being a rather highlighted entity within both Turner's WCW and in Jim Crockett's NWA promotion prior to the Turner buy-out, it's not as if Barry could have been a glossed over talent. How, then, is he not as highly regarded as his fellow peers? Throughout his career he was at least as good or, for the most part, better than the opponents he locked up against - which is a tremendous feat considering his list of opponents comes across as a who's who of 1980s wrestling. As a worker, it's hard to not compare Windham's peak to those of others who are acclaimed as all time greats. Flair may have offered Windham his greatest singles matches but I'd rather believe the onus is not on Flair elevating Barry's status but the amalgamation of both men's talents. Honestly, too, in a time when Flair seemingly ruled the world, Barry Windham looked the better wrestler. That statement may seem rather hyperbolic yet I don't think it's quite arguable that Flair and Windham were that different, at the very least.

In terms of his traits, Barry was both a sublime babyface that connected to both genders and all ages as well as a tremendous heel that had the crowd solidly against him once his turn happened. He was an excellent portrayal of character and his slow-turn in the 88-04-20 tag from babyface to full-blown heel lies as a standout moment. Also, despite his rather tall build, he was both agile and athletic which helped cement his ability to work toward the crowd either as a babyface (through quickness) or heel (in holding a legitimate air of dominance aided by a mean right hook). His ability was not only limited to singles matches, as he shined in tag team environs. When given the opportunity, Windham's face-in-peril or, conversely, hot-tag flurries were often the highlights of the matches in which they happened. His range in capabilities from working the mat to delivering terrific brawling is also another addition to his claim in being a completely well-rounded talent.




Ranking The Matches​
Seemingly, Barry Windham had it all - the look, the charisma and the talent yet lacks the recognition. Across a decade, Windham remained a consistent performer week-in and week-out and out of those matches watched, Windham did not have a single bad performance. Now, while I won't claim that he could never do any wrong (as this list is not fully inclusive of his entire career due to the unavailability of footage), that's still a rather incredible feat made even more impressive when you realise Barry was barely into his thirties in 1993. His top five matches are all, arguably, 5-star classics. Even the Wargames matches (despite being multi-men affairs) hold as examples to Windham's ability with the 1991 encounter offering a phenomenal start between Pillman and Windham. While overall match quality dips following the top five, the descent is still rather slow with the top 15 remaining as must-watch matches while the last match on the list holds as completely inoffensive in quality.



1. 86-02-14 Barry Windham Vs Ric Flair (CWF)
2. 87-04-11 Barry Windham Vs Ric Flair (NWA)
3. 92-05-17 Dangerous Alliance (Anderson/Eaton/Austin/Zbyszko/Rude) Vs Sting's Squadron (Sting/Koloff/Rhodes/Steamboat/Windham) (WCW)
4. 87-01-20 Barry Windham Vs Ric Flair (NWA)
5. 91-02-24 The Four Horsemen (Windham/Flair/Zbyszko/Vicious) Vs Sting's Squadron (Sting/Pillman/Steiners) (WCW)
6. 88-04-20 Barry Windham & Lex Luger Vs Tully Blanchard & Arn Anderson (NWA)
7. 92-12-28 Brian Pillman & Barry Windham Vs Ricky Steamboat & Shane Douglas (WCW)
8. 88-01-23 Barry Windham Vs Tully Blanchard (NWA)
9. 92-02-29 Barry Windham & Dustin Rhodes Vs Larry Zbyszko & Steve Austin (WCW)
10. 88-03-27 Lex Luger & Barry Windham vs Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard (NWA)
11. 91-05-19 Barry Windham Vs Brian Pillman (WCW)
12. 93-06-17 Barry Windham Vs 2 Cold Scorpio (WCW)
13. 83-07-04 Harley Race vs. Barry Windham (CWF)
14. 88-12-07 Ric Flair & Barry Windham Vs The Midnight Express (WCW)
15. 83-11-16 Barry Windham vs. Ron Bass (CWF)
16. 90-12-16 Doom Vs Barry Windham & Arn Anderson (WCW)
17. 89-01-21 Ric Flair & Barry Windham Vs Eddie Gilbert & Ricky Steamboat (WCW)
18. 93-04-27 William Regal Vs Barry Windham (WCW)
19. 86-??-?? Barry Windham Vs Terry Funk (WWC)
20. 91-04-06 Barry Windham Vs Brian Pillman (WCW)
21. 88-04-10 Barry Windham Vs Tully Blanchard (NWA)
22. 87-01-13 Barry Windham Vs Ric Flair (NWA)
23. 93-07-03 Barry Windham, Steve Austin & Brian Pillman vs Ric Flair, Arn Anderson & Paul Roma (WCW)
24. 91-04-27 Barry Windham Vs Brian Pillman (WCW)
25. 88-03-31 The Four Horsemen (Flar/Arn/Tully) Vs Sting, Lex Luger & Barry Windham (NWA)
26. 91-04-07 Barry Windham Vs Brian Pillman (WCW)
27. 87-03-14 Barry Windham & Ron Garvin vs. Dick Murdoch & Ivan Koloff (NWA)
28. 91-03-21 Brian Pillman Vs Barry Windham (WCW)
29. 89-02-20 Lex Luger Vs Barry Windham (WCW)
30. 87-09-12 Barry Windham vs. Arn Anderson (NWA)
31. 87-21-02 The Midnight Express Vs Ron Garvin & Barry Windham (NWA)
32. 93-01-02 Ricky Steamboat & Shane Douglas Vs Barry Windham & Brian Pillman (WCW)
33. 88-04-02 Barry Windham & Lex Luger Vs Tully Blanchard & Arn Anderson (NWA)
34. 85-02-16 Barry Windham Vs Dick Murdoch (WWF)
35. 92-10-20 Barry Windham & Dustin Rhodes Vs Steve Austin & Steve Williams (WCW)
36. 88-12-26 Bam Bam Bigelow Vs Barry Windham (WCW)
37. 88-01-16 Sting & Barry Windham vs. Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard (NWA)
38. 87-09-05 Barry Windham vs. Arn Anderson (NWA)
39. 88-11-26 Ric Flair & Barry Windham Vs Dusty Rhodes & Bam Bam Bigelow (WCW)
40. 87-09-19 Barry Windham vs. Lex Luger (NWA)
41. 87-07-18 Barry Windham Vs Tully Blanchard (NWA)
42. 87-11-14 Barry Windham Vs Rick Steiner (NWA)​



This list, by and large, is not a wholly inclusive scope of Windham's career but rather the product of matches that were readily available whether on tape or through stream sites such as Dailymotion or Youtube. There may, of course, be matches missing that are of worth to my argument (Windham's career in Championship Wrestling From Florida is a glaring omission, for the most part) but I either could not find them to view or in match listing. Any notable exceptions would be greatly appreciated, especially if you have a video available.




83-07-04 Harley Race vs. Barry Windham (CWF)
it looks like the VHS that this came off of had been viewed multiple times (adding to the quality degredation) but with a match like this on it, one should come to expect such need for multiple viewings. It's a pity that the cuts also miss some of the action, as the last cut comes during a great workover by Windham that culminates in the rookie going for a piledriver and the match resumes with Race busting up Windham on the outside. We still get enough of a solid narrative, however, to keep this match as something great and a good first dip into this project.


83-11-16 Barry Windham vs. Ron Bass (Title vs. Saddle - CWF)
An interesting feud built toward an interesting (and unforgettable) match. Cowboy Bass had held high regard for the saddle handed to him by Dusty Rhodes' mother and seemingly lived to the illusion of being the favourite child to the Rhodes family (despite not even being their son). Cue Windham who felt that he needed to knock Bass down a peg and the feud between a cowboy and a "snot-nosed punk" began and lead to this bout. As for the match, it's yet another good outing for Windham. It starts off cautious, with neither man willing to underestimate the skills that their opponent brings, but it becomes really good once Bass starts working the lower back of Windham. Despite the televised cuts, the announcers do a good enough job in explaining the missed footage as well as putting both men over in their roles. Witnessing a losing Bass flip out and saddle Windham up to be ridden in the ring was a great angle, to boot.


85-02-16 Barry Windham Vs Dick Murdoch (WWF)
Okay/good but nothing more. The difference between Windham in a smaller territory like CWF and in the big-arena in Philly is like chalk and cheese. Everything is blown-up and extended in its delivery and expression - most probably to ensure the effects of the match can be viewed to those in the rows toward the back. This certainly had its moments but it needed some better selling in places to do a bit better. Murdoch/Windham should/could be a great pairing, though.


86-02-14 Barry Windham Vs Ric Flair (CWF)
The first classic in what turned out to be a goldmine feud. Windham's chase for the gold feels determined and, despite the match's length clocking in at almost three quarters of an hour, the exquisite performances from both men make you wholly wish this could have gone on longer.


86-??-?? Barry Windham Vs Terry Funk (WWC)
There was a great spot here where Flunk tries to hit a swinging neckbreaker and Barry tries his damndest to hang onto the rope, allowing for gravity to pull Funk off and let him fall. This isn't nearly on the level of the Flair match but it's still a damned good outing that portrays Windham as one the greats. As for Funk, he comes across as he always does - a heel that's as mean in his punches as he is captivating in his performances. Funk's post-match promo, degrading the entire island as a pig farm, was hilarious.


87-01-13 Barry Windham Vs Ric Flair (NWA)
JIP and more an angle leading to the match the week after, but this is still worth the mention. It's just a FIGHT between the two bleached blonde stars that has the crowd electric. Windham has Flair's number here, but The Horsemen make a run-in to save Flair's pride and allow for room in the lie that Flair would have kicked out. Great.


87-01-20 Barry Windham Vs Ric Flair (NWA)
These two got "funky like a monkey" to quote Dusty on commentary. It's a strong testiment to both wrestlers when they go out and cannot come close to their best match yet still deliver an absolute classic, regardless. No matter how many shortcuts to victory the dirtiest player in the game tries to take, Windham can always circumvent and maintain control. He just cannot put away Flair, either. No matter how Flair played up going into this match that he was on a different level to Windham, it was Flair that was trying to survive until the time limit expired. If only the commercial DVD release held the uncut version of this match, but that's no matter. We're still treated to a good bulk of what both men delivered.


87-02-21 The Midnight Express Vs Ron Garvin & Barry Windham (NWA)
This is arguably at the peak of the Garvin/MX feud, and is the match in which Cornette hits Ron with the fireball. There are a good few other outings between these pairs but, sadly, I cannot find them on easily accesible tape so this would have to do as a comparison. Too bad, really, as this is pretty middle-road and I'm sure these four could do much better.


87-03-14 Barry Windham & Ron Garvin vs. Dick Murdoch & Ivan Koloff (NWA)
Fuck, another interference finish following a sweet TV main event. This is pretty much Windham Vs the heels, though, considering Garvin tags out early and lingers on the ring-apron for the rest of the match. That's fine, though, as Windham is more than capable of keeping exchanges good without becoming stale while Murdoch is the fucking man at making you hate him.


87-04-11 Barry Windham Vs Flair (NWA)
Rather Youtube search for the Crockett Cup 1987 footage than rely on the individual match as it's too heavily edited (JIP about 10 minutes in). It's quite hard to compare this to their previous match on standard TV, due to the prior suffering from commercial breaks, but they're, at the very least, equal. While the previous match needs some extrapolation on whether the missing footage is as good, the entirity showed here is of top calibre and greatly defines just how Windham will always be the man who always had Flair's number.


87-07-18 Barry Windham Vs Tully Blanchard (NWA)
Windham really hams it up here with his punch-drunk selling, and the match comes off all the better for it. Blanchard's a sneaky sunnava gun, though, and he'll try just about anything to get a sucker punch in. If there's one thing I've noted, most notably in this and the 86 Flair classic, is that Windham shows little regard for his own health when he's thrown out the ring. He flops like a tub of lard onto the concrete below, with only minimal knee protection to cussion the blow. The follow-up two matches between these guys in '88 are the better matches but this is still a super fun 15 minutes to spend on a random viewing.


87-09-05 Barry Windham vs. Arn Anderson (NWA)
What a MANLY fight. Arn looked really good in his battered state, swinging wildly at the referee because he couldn't discern him from Windham. The interference ending is what it is but the main body is a good chunk, regardless.


87-09-12 Barry Windham vs. Arn Anderson (NWA)
The rematch, with a 30 minute time limit that, of course, goes to a draw. The usual Windham bag was emptied here, from an almost jumping abdominal stretch down to a nasty spill over the ropes with little control of his momentum in diving to the floor.


87-09-19 Barry Windham vs. Lex Luger (NWA)
Windham Vs The Horsemen continues and the crowd here is a hell of a lot more electric than the past few matches I've watched. These referee shenanigans need to be used more often in contemporary wrestling - considerng other sports have action replays and third decisions, the use within the sport would be a welcomed addition. Aside from the Horsemen and Dillon interference this doesn't much build too far and acts, rather, as a showcase of two very similarly built men taking to each other in brisk fashion. Windham had a better match against Arn, but that's probably easier to believe, too.


87-11-14 Barry Windham Vs Rick Steiner (NWA)
The amount of iffy finishes is just too high. Whether it's Zbyszko or one of The Horsemen, Windham just cannot catch a break and wrestle a clean match in front of his fans. While the trend lies in a lot of the TV matches not breaking past being good, they still serve as reason to just how consistent Windham is.


88-01-16 Sting & Barry Windham vs. Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard (NWA)
Windham may not have a continouosly great punch but he can throw a mean right hook when given the opportunity. Sting, however, has some shitty strikes but he works fast and the crowd get behind him. More fun than any good.


88-01-23 Barry Windham Vs Tully Blanchard (NWA)
As soon as Blanchard made the comeback, this hit new levels of greatness due to Windham's selling of the leg being out of this world great. I adored how Windham not only sold looking like he had been knocked groggy, when he was shoved into the turnbuckle, but how when the momentum carried him forward his left knee buckled so naturally. Blanchard's workover of the knee is noteworthy, too, as it changes depending on the context of the match. When he's within control, he's delivering hard kicks and submissions yet when Windham teases control Tully levels him with vicious punches right to the knee.

JJ Dillon's antics in ringing the bell (signalling a time-limit draw), as his guy was about to lose, was hilariously ingenios. Considering the time-limit was still ticking while the referee watched a replay via JR's monitor Blanchard's victory would almost assuredly be won via either time-limit or a sneak-attack on Barry once the match was about to be restarted. The latter almost cost Windham the gold, but interference from Luger meant this rather ended in a riotous brawl than a loss for the champion. Really good match with a captivating performance by Windham.


88-03-27 Lex Luger & Barry Windham vs Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard (NWA)
Everything aligns for the possibility of a great 80s tag match. Dillon gets camera time and sells the anxiety and worry he has in his Horsemen being able to beat the faces, Arn (rather opposingly to previous matches with Windham) sells a missed knee drop to perfection, and Windham delivers a fucking terrific face-in-peril segment that builds to a super-hot tag and quick finish for Luger going over his ex-tag mates. Windham shows no sign of giving up, yet when Blanchard hits his slingshot suplex everyone thinks its just about over - that is, until Windham kicks out just in time and the crowd goes BERSERK. Perfectly structured match to get the most out of every guy here. Well worth the watch.


88-03-31 The Four Horsemen (Flar/Arn/Tully) Vs Sting, Lex Luger & Barry Windham (NWA)
Holly hell do Flair, Arn and Tully work hard to make Luger look good. Holy hell, too, does Windham work his ass off to ensure the face control/comeback segments are worthy of the craziness that the crowd brings. Phenomenally fun and really, really good in the parts where it should have been.


88-04-02 Barry Windham & Lex Luger Vs Tully Blanchard & Arn Anderson (NWA)
Unlike their previous match at Clash of Champions, this doesn't ascertain itself as great. Arn looks like a million bucks here, though, and is on point in everything he does. Sweet tag between The Horsemen while Windham goes for a crucifix-pin, too. Luger's hulk-smash attitude to wrestling may appeal to the crowd but it's not much for me.


88-04-10 Barry Windham Vs Tully Blanchard (NWA)
This comes a couple months before Windham's heel turn, for historic comparison, and was not nearly as good as the January match but it was still a decent encounter, nontheless, and still holds as testament to both as great sellers in their craft, too.


88-04-20 Barry Windham & Lex Luger Vs Tully Blanchard & Arn Anderson (NWA)
Despite the extended time that Luger had in this, he came across as wholly passable and his second, lengthy FIP segment was rather good. It's after that second FIP segment that this match gets its delivery in full with Windham working hard to keep his own in hanging with The Horsement before he tries to make a desperate tag to Luger. Of course, as Dillon had told him before (a point that JJ reiterates with glee as Windham looks up in dissapointment to an empty corner), Luger wasn't there when Windham needed him but that's no fault of Luger, but that of the beating he sustained. It was always Luger that held Windham back and he finally saw it and thus ended their partnership with a doublecross before storming off. Windham's now classic heel turn was teased, beautifully, within the match and most importantly within Luger's FIP segments where Windham would resort to new, more heel-like tactics (such as faking a tag) in ending the onslaught against Luger. Great wrestling, with non-stop action, interwoven by a beautiful character turn and portrayal makes this one of the gems within the matches I've seen. Watch this.


88-11-26 Ric Flair & Barry Windham Vs Dusty Rhodes & Bam Bam Bigelow (WCW)
Flair is up to his old tricks, here, with his rope-turn and delayed sell. Dusty, as booker, is up to his old tricks, too, and this ends in a cock-up.


88-12-07 Ric Flair & Barry Windham Vs The Midnight Express (WCW)
Yeah, that pairing happened. Yes, it's as good as it looks. Even Dillon and a racquet-bearing Cornette tease a punch-up between each other. There's a point that truly irks me, however. While the first Flair-flip over the ropes came with a clothesline from Eaton, the second time (later into the match) Flair was completely ignored as he climbed to the top of the turnbuckle right where Eaton stood. That shouldn't put you off watching this, though.


88-12-26 Bam Bam Bigelow Vs Barry Windham (WCW)
Windham worked well in selling Bigelow as the strong wreckingball that he was portrayed as while Bam Bam, for the most part, remained both servicable and game to run with Windham in allowing the match to flesh out into some form of decency but doesn't quite sprout beyond those levels.


89-01-21 Ric Flair & Barry Windham Vs Eddie Gilbert & Ricky Steamboat (WCW)
This was the tag match that sparked the Steamboat/Flair series when Steamboat did the unthinkable in pinning Flair clean. Lengthy match-up that's really good and has a hot crowd to boot.


89-02-20 Lex Luger Vs Barry Windham (WCW)
Hey, look, there's Meltzer! While the show in question (Chi-Town Rumble) is most rightly famous for the Flair/Steamboat I classic it also holds the better Luger/Windham match-up. I still don't much like Luger in these matches but he came off well here.


90-12-16 Doom Vs Barry Windham & Arn Anderson (WCW)
Damn, Theodore Long has come across as a jack of all trades (master of none) in this career restropective. He's been a referee and backstage announcer in NWA and now a manager for DOOM in WCW. Man, that double pin stinks but the brawl within and post-match more than makes up for that. Match results are irrelevant, though, when two teams hate each other and are rather out their for blood than changing win/loss records. Heyman/JR on commentary is a beautiful pair, to boot.


91-02-24 The Four Horsemen (Windham/Flair/Zbyszko/Vicious) Vs Sting's Squadron (Sting/Pillman/Steiners) (WCW)
Beautiful start to the Wargames match in which Windham looks a sure-fire means to gain control over the match. Neither Sting nor The Horsmen would bank on Pillman interjecting himself into the match to exact revenge against Windham, though, and lay a heavy beatdown throughout until aid can be sent. Windham bleeds and bumps like an absolute star in putting Pillman over here, though, as the little kid who looks death in the face and starts swinging. The face shines always follow terrific heel segments and the build to the end is magnificent. While it may not continue in the greatness the beginning quarter laid out, it still remains a fantastic match.


91-03-21 Brian Pillman Vs Barry Windham (WCW)
If you want a short and to the point video on just how good Windham is at both selling and working the injured body part of his opponent then this is what you should go for. This barely makes it eight minutes before Arn Anderson runs in to lay the pain down on the babyface Pillman. Not sure why I saw Aces & Eights Ken Anderson in Barry when he made his entrance, though.


91-04-06 Barry Windham Vs Brian Pillman (WCW)
Similar structure to their first encounter the previous month (with a little less work on the body parts) but longer and better.


91-04-07 Barry Windham Vs Brian Pillman (WCW)
A day removed from their past encounter and these two have yet another good match. Sure, the basic structure is there for them to use (and it could become very "samey") but they still work so well off each other.


91-04-27 Barry Windham Vs Brian Pillman (WCW)
Windham is such a shmarmy heel. I mean, what guy pretends to accidently elbow the referee HARD in the eye and then laughs about it? What a DICK. This may have been a set-up for the Slamboree taped-fist match but they still brought new goods to the fray in showing their hatred for each other. A bit off in the beginning when Pillman is in control, but this definitely picks up.


91-05-19 Barry Windham Vs Brian Pillman (WCW)
The blow-off, taped-fist match to their magnificent feud. Unlike the usual shtick of such gimmicks being wasted on wrestlers that do not understand how to work them, these guys deliver it perfectly. Everything is about delivering maximum hurt to the other and both do it in quite unique methods. Windham has just been next level in this feud in terms of his heel work. For a guy who worked the majority of his early career as such a charismatic, crowd-popping babyface, he works the heel role so damn well.


92-02-29 Barry Windham & Dustin Rhodes Vs Larry Zbyszko & Steve Austin (WCW)
Acclaimed by some as Austin's best match in WCW and outside of Wargames, Dustin's, Windham's and Zbyszko's best match while under the post-NWA WCW brand name. I don't think it's as good as those praises but do you really need anything more than those names at the height of the Dangerous Alliance angle to sway you into viewing this?


92-05-17 Dangerous Alliance (Anderson/Eaton/Austin/Zbyszko/Rude) Vs Sting's Squadron (Sting/Koloff/Rhodes/Steamboat/Windham) (WCW)
Even better than the 1991 Wargames match. Once again it has Windham starting the match allowing for a lengthy work-over session to highlight Windham's talents. The little touches like Paul E. taking his team through strategy play-by-plays and Rude working Steamboat's injured nose in a chokehold really helped cement why this match gets as much praise as it does. Each guy held their own and fought, nay, brawled without hesitation for the after-effects upon their health to attain the outcome that they believed WCW needed. The lead-up to the finish was marred by stalls and the inability to release the ringpost but the finish they went for kept both teams equal and was actually a rather intelligent end. The only blemish on an otherwise perfect match.


92-10-20 Barry Windham & Dustin Rhodes Vs Steve Austin & Steve Williams (WCW)
On paper a tag of Windham and Dustin Rhodes sounds superb. Of course Rhodes is still very young into his career here but there does seem to be more similarity between them than their hair colour (in that they're both seemingly glossed over as elite workers). After seeing a decade long build of the flying clothesline as a finisher by Windham, it's funny seeing it used as a simple takedown manouver here. 30 minutes is a hellishly long time, though, and this should have rather gone for a shorter time limit as that's what killed this. In a compacted form this could have been something much more.


92-12-28 Brian Pillman & Barry Windham Vs Ricky Steamboat & Shane Douglas (WCW)
Terrific tag team match in which Ricky shines like a diamond and the newly formed team of Pillman/Windham show that they have as much chemistry together as they did against each other. Not only is this one of the best Windham matches, but it's probably also one of the better matches WCW ever produced.


93-01-02 Ricky Steamboat & Shane Douglas Vs Barry Windham & Brian Pillman (WCW)
This was a week after their terrific tag at Starrcade. Lightning doesn't strike twice, but the match was still sweet.


93-04-27 William Regal Vs Barry Windham (WCW)
Why are you judging this? Of course it's great. It's Regal taking on Windham. You want matwork? You've got matwork. You want wrestling and good looking offence? You've got that, too.


93-06-17 Barry Windham Vs 2 Cold Scorpio (WCW)
"After this match they may have to call him 'Out Cold Scorpio'". Scorpio doesn't get much in and this starts off almost like an extended squash yet Scorpio just won't die. Scorpio comes back in a segment dressed with the aura of awesomeness only he brings and it looks like there might just be an upset. Two guys that deserve more love than they get going out and having a rocking match at a Clash show. Thumbs up.


93-07-03 Barry Windham, Steve Austin & Brian Pillman vs Ric Flair, Arn Anderson & Paul Roma (WCW)
Hollywood Blonds with Windham Vs Flair and Arn?! That's a sweet line-up; it's just too bad Jabroni Roma was in this.The Austin/Flair taunts and teases of each other are so great. Gotta love how Austin copies Flair's taunt on him asking "now who's laughing" only to get a hard SLAP to the face by the old coot. The workover segment on Anderson was superb, too, with the hints of Anderson lucking out and tagging in a fresher partner every time the heels got too cocky being intelligently done.​
 

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His peak was probably a little too short to be top 10, but at his peak he was near untouchable. Barry was my favorite wrestler in 93 with his lone wolf gimmick. He may have been Flair's best opponent not named Steamboat(though I wouldn't object to Barry being #1). I think he is a top 5 tag team worker of all time, and probably the most talented guy ever over 6'5''.

Watching Goldust tear it up in the year 2013 has me missing early 90's WCW.
 

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There have been a few wrestlers who claimed Barry was the most talented wrestler out there in his day. Most people seem to only consider drawing power and earned gold in a GOAT discussion though. Personally, I'd rather watch the Windhams and Malenkos of the world kick ass on the mid-card than have to sit through one minute of another shitty John Cena match.
 

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I would rank Barry among the greatest of all time and have.

In fact I just did a top 100 list on another thread. Wait..I just checked it, holy cow, low and behold I edited out Windham and forgot to add him back in. I did that with three wrestlers (Foley, Batista, and Windham). It was late last night.

If I had a do-over, before a mod closed the thread for some reason. I would have put Barry at 79. I remember typing his name last night but it disappeared after an edit.

However in the 100 plus year history of the sport there have been hundreds of thousands of names to consider. I consider Barry a lock in the 60-80 range.

Hard to rank him above allot of those elite talents.

Barry was a great worker and had some charisma but I always felt his push had more to do with his Dad, his friends and relationship with Dusty Rhodes. Not saying that's a bad thing just simply Barry is not a top 50 guy. He was UBER talented, there was just something missing that left him falling just short of being able to carry a company. That's no slight on him he's still one of the greatest of all time.

You are obviously a huge Barry guy, good choice he's a great star. However we all tend to over-rate our favorites. Heck the Bret Hart and Rock marks prove that every day on these boards. I routinely have to move Mr. Wrestling 2 down my lists because I have to use my head and not my heart.

But you are right he's one of the all time greats who will be forgotten in 20 years. That is a sad thing.
 

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I would rank Barry among the greatest of all time and have.

In fact I just did a top 100 list on another thread. Wait..I just checked it, holy cow, low and behold I edited out Windham and forgot to add him back in. I did that with three wrestlers (Foley, Batista, and Windham). It was late last night.

If I had a do-over, before a mod closed the thread for some reason. I would have put Barry at 79. I remember typing his name last night but it disappeared after an edit.

However in the 100 plus year history of the sport there have been hundreds of thousands of names to consider. I consider Barry a lock in the 60-80 range.

Hard to rank him above allot of those elite talents.

Barry was a great worker and had some charisma but I always felt his push had more to do with his Dad, his friends and relationship with Dusty Rhodes. Not saying that's a bad thing just simply Barry is not a top 50 guy. He was UBER talented, there was just something missing that left him falling just short of being able to carry a company. That's no slight on him he's still one of the greatest of all time.

You are obviously a huge Barry guy, good choice he's a great star. However we all tend to over-rate our favorites. Heck the Bret Hart and Rock marks prove that every day on these boards.

But you are right he's one of the all time greats who will be forgotten in 20 years. That is a sad thing.

That was your problem man, having Batista in a Top 100 List in the first place :p

If I were to make a list of the top 10 workers ever, it would look like this, keep in mind I'm just talking about them at their peaks not career longevity:

1. Chris Benoit
2. Eddie Guerrero
3. Ric Flair
4. Rey Mysterio
5. Shawn Michaels
6. Terry Funk
7. Bret Hart
8. Jerry Lawler
9. The Undertaker
10. Barry Windham


Pretty impressive company. Windham was tremendous, I hold that 1986 BotB match in the same regard as the Steamboat/Flair from New Orleans match. One of the finest matches ever.
 

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That was your problem man, having Batista in a Top 100 List in the first place :p

If I were to make a list of the top 10 workers ever, it would look like this, keep in mind I'm just talking about them at their peaks not career longevity:

1. Chris Benoit
2. Eddie Guerrero
3. Ric Flair
4. Rey Mysterio
5. Shawn Michaels
6. Terry Funk
7. Bret Hart
8. Jerry Lawler
9. The Undertaker
10. Barry Windham


Pretty impressive company. Windham was tremendous, I hold that 1986 BotB match in the same regard as the Steamboat/Flair from New Orleans match. One of the finest matches ever.
I could roll with that list if Dean Malenko, Danny Hodge, and Ray Stevens replaced Windham, Taker, and dare I say Lawler.
 

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I could roll with that list if Dean Malenko, Danny Hodge, and Ray Stevens replaced Windham, Taker, and dare I say Lawler.

I can't agree with Malenko being a top 10 worker ever. He was great, don't get me wrong, but I felt he lacked psychology with his moves. He could do some phenomenal mat wrestling and trade holds and submissions with the best, but he would often do them without rhyme or reason and he just didn't have the intensity or character to get me fully invested in his matches. Just my opinion, he was a hell of a worker though no denying that.

Danny Hodge I haven't seen nearly enough of to judge.

Ray Stevens is a guy who if I made a top 15-20 list would definitely be on there. So far ahead of his time, he was a pure joy to watch in the ring, he made you BELIEVE.
 

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I wouldn't say Barry was greatest of All time, But he was no Slouch either . So he does deserve mor Respect then he gets at times thats for sure.
 

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Might have Windham as a top 25 worker. And not only from the US. Actually let's list guys I would have above him:

100/99% (95 at WORST) sure I would:

Ric Flair
Jerry Lawler
Terry Funk
Stan Hansen
Eddie Guerrero
Rey Mysterio
Mitsuharu Misawa
Toshiaki Kawada
Yoshiaki Fujiwara
Shinya Hashimoto
El Satanico
El Hijo del Santo
El Dandy
***** Casas
Blue Panther
Genichiro Tenryu


Maybe/Undecided:

Yuki Ishikawa
Jumbo Tsuruta
Ricky Steamboat
Fit Finlay
Bill Dundee
Chris Benoit
Arn Anderson
Dick Murdoch
Ricky Morton
Kenta Kobashi
William Regal
Jushin Liger
Volk Han
Kiyoshi Tamura
Tatsumi Fujinami


Needs to watch more to decide:

Nick Bockwinkel
Buddy Rose
***** Navarro
Sangre Chicana
Pirata Morgan
Plus others.

OK so that's actually a lot more than 25 and I haven't really thought about all timers in a while. I'm not totally sold on almost anything there. Fuck, rating wrestlers is going to be complete goddamn torture when I actually decide to do it. I massively hesitated to even post this.
 

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Might have Windham as a top 25 worker. And not only from the US. Actually let's list guys I would have above him:

100/99% (95 at WORST) sure I would:

Ric Flair
Jerry Lawler
Terry Funk
Stan Hansen
Eddie Guerrero
Rey Mysterio
Mitsuharu Misawa
Toshiaki Kawada
Yoshiaki Fujiwara
Shinya Hashimoto
El Satanico
El Hijo del Santo
El Dandy
***** Casas
Blue Panther
Genichiro Tenryu


Maybe/Undecided:

Yuki Ishikawa
Jumbo Tsuruta
Ricky Steamboat
Fit Finlay
Bill Dundee
Chris Benoit
Arn Anderson
Dick Murdoch
Ricky Morton
Kenta Kobashi
William Regal
Jushin Liger
Volk Han
Kiyoshi Tamura
Tatsumi Fujinami


Needs to watch more to decide:

Nick Bockwinkel
Buddy Rose
***** Navarro
Sangre Chicana
Pirata Morgan
Plus others.

OK so that's actually a lot more than 25 and I haven't really thought about all timers in a while. I'm not totally sold on almost anything there. Fuck, rating wrestlers is going to be complete goddamn torture when I actually decide to do it. I massively hesitated to even post this.


Some how, inexplicably, I forgot about Finlay and Regal. Remove Michaels and Taker from that list and replace them with those two gents.

1. Chris Benoit
2. Eddie Guerrero
3. Ric Flair
4. Rey Mysterio
5. Terry Funk
6. Jerry Lawler
7. Fit Finlay
8. William/Steven Regal
9. Bret Hart
10. Barry Windham

I don't follow Lucha or Japanese wrestlers, though I'm sure I'll be getting into them sooner than later because I'm so bored with the WWE today. I've finally caught up on most of the WWE I missed when I had tuned out for several years, and now I'm lacking for good matches I haven't seen a half dozen times.
 

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Might have Windham as a top 25 worker. And not only from the US. Actually let's list guys I would have above him:

100/99% (95 at WORST) sure I would:

Ric Flair
Jerry Lawler
Terry Funk
Stan Hansen
Eddie Guerrero
Rey Mysterio
Mitsuharu Misawa
Toshiaki Kawada
Yoshiaki Fujiwara
Shinya Hashimoto
El Satanico
El Hijo del Santo
El Dandy
***** Casas
Blue Panther
Genichiro Tenryu


Maybe/Undecided:

Yuki Ishikawa
Jumbo Tsuruta
Ricky Steamboat
Fit Finlay
Bill Dundee
Chris Benoit
Arn Anderson
Dick Murdoch
Ricky Morton
Kenta Kobashi
William Regal
Jushin Liger
Volk Han
Kiyoshi Tamura
Tatsumi Fujinami


Needs to watch more to decide:

Nick Bockwinkel
Buddy Rose
***** Navarro
Sangre Chicana
Pirata Morgan
Plus others.

OK so that's actually a lot more than 25 and I haven't really thought about all timers in a while. I'm not totally sold on almost anything there. Fuck, rating wrestlers is going to be complete goddamn torture when I actually decide to do it. I massively hesitated to even post this.

Buddy Rose good call. Did not even think about him. If we are measuring the total package including charisma and ring phsychology I would not put Windham over Flair, Lawler, Bockwinkel, or Eddie. But that is just my opinion. You are obviously a knowledgeable fan, props to you.
 

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I was only counting ring work. Honestly I can't remember a Windham promo I liked even at all, though I'll admit to not really searching them out (mainly because I was unimpressed with what I saw...or hated what I saw in some cases :p). Sort of charismatic in his own way, but definitely not a 'total package' kind of guy to me. The fact he was an iffy promo in the era of the Horsemen killing it on the mic every time probably contributed to why he never really 'made it'.
 

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Barry Windham's 1 hour match with Ric Flair was epic. I was a big fan of his after watching that particular match. Not sure if they wrestled any others (this was back in the Crockett days so there's no telling) but he and Flair both made that a very interesting hour. Not very many wrestlers could pull off a one hour match. By no means did Flair carry Windham. That was a great effort on both their parts.
 

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I was only counting ring work. Honestly I can't remember a Windham promo I liked even at all, though I'll admit to not really searching them out (mainly because I was unimpressed with what I saw...or hated what I saw in some cases :p). Sort of charismatic in his own way, but definitely not a 'total package' kind of guy to me. The fact he was an iffy promo in the era of the Horsemen killing it on the mic every time probably contributed to why he never really 'made it'.
Yeah, Windham wasn't exactly a superstar on the mic. Was great to watch in the ring and backstage but not so much when standing in front of a mic. Had he had mic skills we might be talking about Windham in the same breath as Flair.
 

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His peak was probably a little too short to be top 10, but at his peak he was near untouchable.
I'd agree with that, completely. 87/88 may stand out (and be rather short) but the rest of his career is still very good and more where I'd hang the argument. Of course it's hyperbolic to think he could continue that roll if he never injured his knee in 1993, but I'm sure that's not quite far from the truth.

You are obviously a huge Barry guy, good choice he's a great star.
Not even. Of course there must be some motivation based on enjoyment to have started this thread, but it kind of just started with getting a Windham comp (on a whim, having not heard much of him) and then digging further beyond what I had. When I saw those threads and the material I had watched, I thought that it was quite weird that he wasn't mentioned more than he had - especially considering the American orientation in their lists and the names presented.

Might have Windham as a top 25 worker. And not only from the US. Actually let's list guys I would have above him:
100/99% (95 at WORST) sure I would:

Ric Flair
Jerry Lawler
Terry Funk
Stan Hansen
Eddie Guerrero
Rey Mysterio
Mitsuharu Misawa
Toshiaki Kawada
Yoshiaki Fujiwara
Shinya Hashimoto
El Satanico
El Hijo del Santo
El Dandy
***** Casas
Blue Panther
Genichiro Tenryu


Maybe/Undecided:

Yuki Ishikawa
Jumbo Tsuruta
Ricky Steamboat
Fit Finlay
Bill Dundee
Chris Benoit
Arn Anderson
Dick Murdoch
Ricky Morton
Kenta Kobashi
William Regal
Jushin Liger
Volk Han
Kiyoshi Tamura
Tatsumi Fujinami


Needs to watch more to decide:

Nick Bockwinkel
Buddy Rose
***** Navarro
Sangre Chicana
Pirata Morgan
Plus others.

OK so that's actually a lot more than 25 and I haven't really thought about all timers in a while. I'm not totally sold on almost anything there. Fuck, rating wrestlers is going to be complete goddamn torture when I actually decide to do it. I massively hesitated to even post this.
I suppose my inclusion was more on an American side, as I can't quite think of many I'd rank above Windham as a worker. Honestly, he'd fit right in with Lawler, Funk, Flair, Guerrero and Mysterio at his absolute peak and wouldn't be trailing, at all, outside of it.

Worldwide is slightly harder for me as I've yet to watch, in-depth, a lot of the guys people hold so dear. Panther and Casas are somewhat notable exceptions in Lucha but even my knowledge on them is far too small. Volk Han might be a very good call if we're going for in-ring talent - I remember singing his praises a year ago, or so. Misawa and Kawada are probably locks.


I was only counting ring work. Honestly I can't remember a Windham promo I liked even at all, though I'll admit to not really searching them out (mainly because I was unimpressed with what I saw...or hated what I saw in some cases :p). Sort of charismatic in his own way, but definitely not a 'total package' kind of guy to me. The fact he was an iffy promo in the era of the Horsemen killing it on the mic every time probably contributed to why he never really 'made it'.
Yeah, Windham wasn't exactly a superstar on the mic. Was great to watch in the ring and backstage but not so much when standing in front of a mic. Had he had mic skills we might be talking about Windham in the same breath as Flair.
Only a few of the matches included promos in addendum, but I'd agree with him not being more than passable on it and did seem to get lost in his words. He had charisma in his ring-work, though, and the crowd loved him. I don't have drawing numbers for that period but that appears more reason why he was positioned where he was than simply because of who he knew
 

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Windham rules no doubt. Been a fan of his from the day I bought the Ultimate Ric Flair Collection and watched their 1987 WWW match. Guy was incredible. I consider their BOTB II match from 1986 as the second greatest match in history. Guy at his peak was without a doubt a strong contender for top 10 of all time, but as some have said, his peak was far too short to really consider him above guys who did just as well but over a longer period of time. He *might* just get in my top 10 if I did one now, at #10, but honestly there are guys out there that I haven't seen anything of, or simply not enough of, that are always picked out as GOAT contenders that I'd have to watch before I put together any kind of list I'd feel comfortable with lol.

Either way though, guy is a personal favourite of mine :).
 

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Love Barry's in-ring work a bunch. His only downside was being a tad bland on the promo side, nothing bad, but nothing particularly memorable. In the ring, well, that's a whole other story.
 

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Said many times on here that Barry Windham was one of the best all round in ring performers around in the 1980's and he did what many thought was near on impossible, making The Four Horsemen stronger with his inclusion. I wasn't around myself to see it first hand because I was too young but from what family have said and what I've seen since the original incarnation was seen as unstoppable and impossible to better yet Barry Windham taking the spot of Ole Anderson STRENGTHENED the group and that incarnation for me is THE best four man stable in wrestling history BAR NONE.
 

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Said many times on here that Barry Windham was one of the best all round in ring performers around in the 1980's and he did what many thought was near on impossible, making The Four Horsemen stronger with his inclusion. I wasn't around myself to see it first hand because I was too young but from what family have said and what I've seen since the original incarnation was seen as unstoppable and impossible to better yet Barry Windham taking the spot of Ole Anderson STRENGTHENED the group and that incarnation for me is THE best four man stable in wrestling history BAR NONE.
I thought he took the spot of Lex Luger? All though my memory is fuzzy at best sometimes.

From what I remember that was Windham's first heel run and it was quite a shocker. At the time I had a friend who was a huge "face" mark and Windham was his boy. It crushed him when Barry joined the Horsemen. Windham had been "pretty boy" face in Florida, Georgia, and the WWF. His wheelhouse was with the young ladies, but he changed his personna as a Horseman and it seemed to fit like a "glove" (see what I did there?). It was a total change of direction and there was really no going back to "pretty boy" land after that. I thought Barry was a good fit and he really added to the Horsemen MO. It allowed Flair to be the man, which he was, and removed Luger who was percieved as a competitor for the world title. Windham also grew into that role but it seemed like a better fit with Arn and Tully working the lower titles and tags, while Flair dominated the heavywieght belt and it allowed Windham to focus on the second tier belt, and fueds.
 
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