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Bret Hart the biggest star besides the big 3?

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Legit. Aside from Hogan, Rock, Austin ? He may be. He was always bigger in the States than HBK and Taker in the 90s. Even when Vince tried other things, the one constant was Bret, he kept going back to him over and over (before the attitude era, and titles switched like crazy, he was the only 5 time world champ along with Hogan). All the kiddies these days who appreciate work rate over foolish gimmicks, need to understand he was the very first to do it on skill alone, he paved the way. He laid the foundation for people like HBK, Benoit, and Angle to have success in the main event scene.

He was far bigger in Canada and internationally than almost anyone, many wrestling folk have said he was as big, if not bigger overseas than Hogan. That is a massive accomplishment that sometimes goes overlooked.

When his DVD was released in 05', it outsold every other DVD WWE ever did.

His name, for better or worse, is still associated with perhaps the most infamous match of all time.

He is still the only wrestle to appear on The Simpson's, when it was in its heyday, and one of the most cultural and dominate shows on TV.

He is certainly more of a household name than someone like Shawn Micheals or Eddie etc...who most wouldnt know unless they at least casually watched WWE. Bret Hart seems to be more causally known for sure.

His book outsold HBKs and Flairs and many others. It all counts.

Then theres the fact he hasnt really wrestled in a WWE ring since 1997, or had a real run I mean, 24 years! Yet his name constantly comes up in amongst wrestling legend. He didnt have the benefit of an additional 8 year run for a whole new generation like HBK, yet still seems to be considered a tier above to many. Even younger fans of the 2000s. I cant even imagine if he could have had 5 or 6 more years and could wrestle Rock, Jericho, Angle, Eddie etc...he might very well have been undoubtedly known as the best ever then.

His matches age like fine wine. In a world of no selling and flips, his excellent work and the absolute mastercraft of this sport almost seems even more appreciated now. He was a true artist.

What a fuckin legend!
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Yep. A big draw and star is always asked to leave the company as champion during head to head competition takes place AND then helps so called "draw" get a big money contract with the competition. WCW then dies shortly after Bret is kicked out of the WWF by his boss.

Oh yeah. Big time star.

Also, a wrestler getting asked by his boss to leave the company and go to the competition has never happened before in the history of wrestling, and hasn't happened since.

And on top of being a TERRIBLE draw, he got paid twice more than the next two guys in the company and more than twice more everyone else in the company. Add to that he wasn't drawing ratings or PPV buys, and Vince kicked him out on his ass and did the right thing. As we saw, that was absolutely the correct call.
 

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In his heyday he was bigger than people seem willing to give him credit for, but sadly not that big, no.
 
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No, he was an anti-draw.

Business improved after he left after WM12.

Business improved after he left after SS97.

Legit. Aside from Hogan, Rock, Austin ? He may be. He was always bigger in the States than HBK and Taker in the 90s. Even when Vince tried other things, the one constant was Bret, he kept going back to him over and over (before the attitude era, and titles switched like crazy, he was the only 5 time world champ along with Hogan). All the kiddies these days who appreciate work rate over foolish gimmicks, need to understand he was the very first to do it on skill alone, he paved the way. He laid the foundation for people like HBK, Benoit, and Angle to have success in the main event scene.

He was far bigger in Canada and internationally than almost anyone, many wrestling folk have said he was as big, if not bigger overseas than Hogan. That is a massive accomplishment that sometimes goes overlooked.

When his DVD was released in 05', it outsold every other DVD WWE ever did.

His name, for better or worse, is still associated with perhaps the most infamous match of all time.

He is still the only wrestle to appear on The Simpson's, when it was in its heyday, and one of the most cultural and dominate shows on TV.

He is certainly more of a household name than someone like Shawn Micheals or Eddie etc...who most wouldnt know unless they at least casually watched WWE. Bret Hart seems to be more causally known for sure.

His book outsold HBKs and Flairs and many others. It all counts.

Then theres the fact he hasnt really wrestled in a WWE ring since 1997, or had a real run I mean, 24 years! Yet his name constantly comes up in amongst wrestling legend. He didnt have the benefit of an additional 8 year run for a whole new generation like HBK, yet still seems to be considered a tier above to many. Even younger fans of the 2000s. I cant even imagine if he could have had 5 or 6 more years and could wrestle Rock, Jericho, Angle, Eddie etc...he might very well have been undoubtedly known as the best ever then.

His matches age like fine wine. In a world of no selling and flips, his excellent work and the absolute mastercraft of this sport almost seems even more appreciated now. He was a true artist.

What a fuckin legend!
Lol.

Compare the PPV buys from the WMs that Bret headlined in 94, 96 and 2010 with the WMs that HBK headlined in 98, 07 and 08.
 

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People on here are so far up HBK’s backside. So many hbk Stan’s in here but we all know the boy toy didn’t draw a dime. Lowest drawing champion in company history before seth took the mantle. The fact is bret was the man during the new generation era. Also showstopper the only reason why Vince wouldn’t pay bret is because bret didn’t fit the attitude era like style. Bret was old school and wanted the show to be family friendly but wwf was heading in a different direction and it had nothing to do with his talent.
Bret is the goat technical wrestler ever and he made everyone look good. Since I became a fan, the touch went like this. Hogan, hart, austin, Rock, Cena, Reigns.
Bret was the FOTC and u folks wanna act like he was a nobody what a joke.
The biggest Canadian wrestling star ever and he was hugely popular overseas especially in Germany and the UK.
Bret ignited the Mr McMahon character and he made austin a made man which austin also acknowledged. Bitter hbk fans so insecure when it comes to the hitman. Hbk just played better politics.
 

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People on here are so far up HBK’s backside. So many hbk Stan’s in here but we all know the boy toy didn’t draw a dime. Lowest drawing champion in company history before seth took the mantle. The fact is bret was the man during the new generation era. Also showstopper the only reason why Vince wouldn’t pay bret is because bret didn’t fit the attitude era like style. Bret was old school and wanted the show to be family friendly but wwf was heading in a different direction and it had nothing to do with his talent.
Bret is the goat technical wrestler ever and he made everyone look good. Since I became a fan, the touch went like this. Hogan, hart, austin, Rock, Cena, Reigns.
Bret was the FOTC and u folks wanna act like he was a nobody what a joke.
The biggest Canadian wrestling star ever and he was hugely popular overseas especially in Germany and the UK.
Bret ignited the Mr McMahon character and he made austin a made man which austin also acknowledged. Bitter hbk fans so insecure when it comes to the hitman. Hbk just played better politics.
It's the same 1 or 2 people over and over who have no life that I made so butt-hurt by simply being here. Vince didn't pay Bret because he wasn't drawing shit. If he was, he would've kept him. Simple as that.
 

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Bret on PPV in 1992-93 did outdraw Hogan on PPV 1991-92 for the same shows.

980,000 Hart's buys to Hogan's at 950,000
Wrestlemania 10 was the first Wrestlemania without Hogan and did the lowest PPV buyrate in it's history. Bret did a double main event that night losing to his brother Owen and then defeating Yokozuna for the title.
 

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I mean, I understand you have Bret’s willy up your bootyhole, but, damn, no need to get delusional, and this is coming from a fan of his.
 

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Rock/Hogan/Austin are without a shadow of doubt the three biggest superstars in wrestling history.
Below them there is a whole bunch, even if we're talking about post 1984 WrestleMania era.
Bret Hart/Undertaker/HBK/Ric Flair/ John Cena.... it's really a toss-up as case of 4th biggest superstar could be made for any of them. Then there are anomalies like Goldberg and Lesnar. Having said that, subjectively, Hart would be my number 4 as well. So there you go OP.🙂
 

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Wrestlemania 10 was the first Wrestlemania without Hogan and did the lowest PPV buyrate in it's history. Bret did a double main event that night losing to his brother Owen and then defeating Yokozuna for the title.
WM10 did a buyrate of 420,000.
WM8 the last WrestleMania when Hulk was pre-advertised as the main event did 390,000 buys.
 
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