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OK, I’ve been working on this one for a while. I’m going to compare Wrestlemania XXVI to Bound for Glory 2010, the two biggest PPV events for their respective promotions, to see which was the better show. I’m posting it in the TNA thread since most of the people that post here were likely to have seen both shows.

This isn't meant to showcase support for one promotion over the other or meant to horribly bash one promotion into the ground. This is just something fun that I felt like doing, so I encourage the posters to NOT let this turn into a WWE/TNA dick measuring contest between, if at all possible.

Here’s how this will work. I will compare Wrestlemania & Bound for Glory by matching up the bouts that were similar to each other (for example, the womens matches put together, the tag matches together). Each comparison will involve a detailed analysis, & an explanation of which match was better. The better match will then be awarded for its event. The Best Match from both shows will be awarded an additional point for the designation.

WOMEN’S MATCHES

Mickie James, Gail Kim, Eve Torres, Kelly Kelly, & Beth Phoenix
Vs. Vickie Guerrero, Michelle McCool, Layla, Alicia Fox, & Maryse

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Angelina Love (c) Vs. Velvet Sky Vs. Tara Vs. Madison Rayne for TNA Knockouts Title
w/Mickie James as Guest Referee​

Funny how Mickie James is involved with both of these, isn’t it? Well, this one is a bit of a no brainer as the TNA Knockouts match was FAR better than the abomination that was the 10 Divas Tag team match. Was it a great match? No, but it had some signs of athleticism & was overall a solid effort from the four Knockouts. The 10 Diva Tag Team match, I think, is a contender for one of the worst matches of the year as it just collapsed under the weight of featuring Vickie Guerrero so heavily in the bout. She didn’t even know how to do a pinfall right! And it didn’t help that everybody else was botching like mad too. It was horribly sloppy & painful to sit through, something I didn‘t think would be possible with what was supposed to be just harmless filler.

WM 0, BFG 1


TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP MATCHES

The Miz & The Big Show (c) Vs. John Morrison & R-Truth: Unified Tag Team Championship

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The Motor City Machine Guns (c) Vs. Generation Me: TNA Tag Team Championship​

This is probably an even easier pick than with the Women’s Matches. Both these matches opened their respective shows, and anybody who watched both will tell you that The Guns vs. Gen Me was FAR better. It’s no contest. Both teams went out there and delivered a fantastic display of athleticism & tag team excellence. The Guns & GenMe are a real credit to their division. That match was definitely my favorite from Bound for Glory & sure enough it was the one I predicted would be the best match since it was the one bout I had the least problems with before seeing the show. It was a very exciting & action packed match that showed just how much fun tag team wrestling can really be when its showcased. The Wrestlemania match was random with no real feud attached to it. Both teams felt thrown together, especially the challengers, & it was surprisingly quick. Openers are usually intended to start the show with a bang, but this was a dud that ended in the blink of an eye. If anything, it felt like a filler match, and that isn’t a good way to open up a show. I would have preferred either Money in the Bank or the Legacy 3 Way to get that spot.

WM 0, BFG 2

UNDERCARD MATCH

Randy Orton Vs. Ted DiBiase Vs. Cody Rhodes

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Ink Inc Vs. Eric Young & Orlando Jordan
Yet another obvious one, but this time its going the WWE‘s favor. The Legacy split & three way match was not a well handled feud, but the match itself was fun. It was basically just a showcase for Randy Orton as he tore through his former teammates with some nice action throughout. This actually turned out to be, in my opinion, one of the more enjoyable matches from both shows. Now the tag match at BFG, I’m still not entirely sure what this was. Where did this come from? This is definitely the most random match from both shows. I didn’t even know Orlando was still with the company when the match was signed. It was a comedy match, which is fine for a show, but I would have preferred it if characters showcased on TV more frequently got a spot on the biggest PPV of the year.

WM 1, BFG 2

FAST PACED & HIGH FLYING BATTLES

Rey Mysterio Vs. CM Punk: If Rey Loses, He Joins The SES

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Jay Lethal (c) Vs. Douglas Williams: X Division Championship​

For not having a Crusierweight Division of any kind, it was kind of cool of the WWE to have a match like this that could offer a kind of high flying excitement. Between the two bouts, the Mysterio/Punk match came with much greater expectations. Sure the feud was silly. I dare you to tell me that Punk wrecking Rey‘s daughter‘s birthday wasn‘t hilarious instead of the most heinous act in the history of Wrestling that they tried to pass it off as (that only made it funnier). However, the sheer talent of both men & the stipulation involved was almost guaranteed to make one of the better matches on the show. Well, it didn’t quite work out that way. It was still a good athletic display & a good match between these two, but it was so short. I checked, & the match got about the same amount of time that TNA gave to the Ink Ink/EY & OJ match. Wow! I mean these are two very talented guys that can work a long match, so how does their grudge match with storyline implications get shortened in favor of another less deserving match (more on that later)? I was really disappointed in how this one turned out.

Lethal vs. Williams really came with no expectations, largely because of the terrible promotion from TNA. Lethal won the title on Impact just a few weeks before the show when it would have been far more beneficial to save the title change for the biggest show of the year & give this match more meaning. It didn’t help that there was virtually no interaction between the two leading into the PPV. It’s a shame TNA didn’t really hype it, because it turned out to be pretty good. It was a nice clash of styles between the two men & it turned out to be a nice part of the show. Its hard to pick a winner here, because like I said, Punk vs. Rey was pretty disappointing, but was still good. I’m going to go ahead & flip a coin to pick it….Punk vs. Rey, so point for Mania in what should have been an easy one for them.

WM 2, BFG 2

MIDCARD GRUDGE MATCHES

Triple H Vs. Sheamus

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Rob Van Dam Vs. Abyss: Monster’s Ball Match​

Oh I had big problems with both matches going into the shows. Starting with Wrestlemania, this was coming off the heels of what had to be one of the most random World Title reigns of all time as Sheamus defeated John Cena for the gold after only being on Raw for about a month, if that. To call him an underdeveloped character would be an understatement & he was nowhere near being recognizable or credible enough to be on the level of other WWE main event mainstays. However, that didn’t stop them from putting him up against Triple H at Wrestlemania. Well to be honest, I was thrilled at the notion of Triple H being excluded from the Wrestlemania Title Matches (finally), but this match held no interest for me at all. Triple H has had his fair share of Wrestlemania stinkers (Vs. Jericho at X-8, Vs. Orton at XXV) but as it turns out, Triple H does better in the lower card in a bout with no expectations. Was it a great match? Not really. It was average at best and at no point during this bout was I convinced that Sheamus (somehow an up & comer & a former World Champion at the same time, go figure) was on Triple H’s level as far as credibility is concerned. Also, I never once thought for a second that Triple H would go down in defeat. However, for what it was, and given the sheer apathy I had for it going in, it wasn’t bad.

Now where TNA screwed up with the RVD vs. Abyss match, quite honestly, is that it never should have happened. Rob should have gone into BFG as Champion to face Kurt Angle, who was going through the Top 10 Rankings. However, that all had to be thrown away in order to do a Rob Van Dam injury & forfeiture angle, leading to the more complicated & random championship tournament. Sure, why not?! So, we get this feud instead, and I wasn’t overly interested. Getting to show time though, Van Dam & Abyss made the best out of a bad situation & actually had one pretty darn good hardcore match. It was filled with some pretty sick stunts that surprised me a little bit. I hated the storyline situation, but as far as having an exciting match goes, RVD & Abyss got it done. Point to Bound for Glory.

WM 2, BFG 3


MULTI-MAN SPECTACLES

Jack Swagger Vs. Kofi Kingston Vs. Evan Bourne Vs. Christian Vs. Shelton Benjamin Vs. Matt Hardy Vs. Dolph Ziggler Vs. Drew McIntyre Vs. Kane Vs. MVP: Money in the Bank Ladder Match

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Tommy Dreamer, Sabu, Rhino, Raven, & Stevie Richards of EV2.0
Vs. AJ Styles, Kazarian, Matt Morgan, & Beer Money Inc of Fourtune: Lethal Lockdown Match​

Money in the Bank has become an annual tradition in the modern era of Wrestleamnia. While offering next to nothing in terms of feuds or storylines going into the show, the match has become known as a spectacular display of athleticism & daredevil antics. Once its done, the winner is put on the path to being the WWE’s new Main Eventer & future World Champion. The stunts in past Money in the Banks have been very impressive, and I think it gets harder to top every year & some people complained about the increase of participants from eight to ten. Of course people said the same thing a few years earlier when they upped it to eight from six, so what’s two more people? Its body’s flying all over the places off of ladders, and that’s what we got here. Some of the stunts done here were truly memorable like Kofi Kingston using two halves of a broken Ladder is stilts, Evan Bourne being a spider monkey in there, & Swagger being used as the victim of a Ladder Battering Ram sandwich. It was once again another impressive Money in the Bank outing with only one problem: The Winner. Jack Swagger? Really? The guy that got beat by Santino Marella & was nothing more than a jobber for most of his tenure on Raw is now in line for a title shot? And of course, Swagger went onto win the title just a couple days later, making him the most random World Title winner since Sheamus just a few months earlier. (I’m seeing a scary pattern here).

TNA’s signature match for Lockdown, the Lethal Lockdown, pulled double duty in 2010 (yay for overusing gimmick matches!) and was used to settle the score between rival factions: Fourtune & EV2.0. Now I hated this feud for the simple reason that both factions are old ideas being recycled, rehashed, & redone yet again. Fourtune is yet another incarnation of The Four Hosemen, a faction that stopped being cool when 1990 came around. EV2.0 is yet another attempt to relive the glory days of ECW, a company that died almost a decade earlier. Despite those problems, a War Games style match is usually a lot of fun, and this was no exception. There was constant action, some good violence, and just a really fun match to watch. Now oddly, this match suffers from the same problem that Money in the Bank had: THE WRONG FACTION WENT OVER!!! EV2.0 wins?! Seriously? Don’t you want to put over the young faction that might actually be there at the end of the month? Now in picking the better match, the most important thing to look at is the quality of the action as that’s really all these matches have to offer, and the advantage clearly goes to Money in the Bank in that regard. The stunts with the ladders were just amazing!

WM 3, BFG 3

VETERAN SHOWCASES

Bret “The Hitman” Hart Vs. Vince McMahon: Street Fight

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Jeff Jarrett & Samoa Joe Vs. Sting, Kevin Nash, & “The Pope” D’Angelo Dinero​

Oh boy, where do I begin here? First of all, neither match is exactly an achievement of greatness for Professional Wrestling. If anything, they were the weakest part of both shows, so the match that gets the point will earn a half hearted one. Going in, I thought the Bret Hart Vs. Vince McMahon match would be a nice attraction for Wrestlemania. I mean how bad could it be? Have Bret go out there, beat down Vince for a minute or two, lock in The Sharpshooter, & get a nice pop out of it. No harm done, & you get a nice little moment. Well, that quick little match got stretched out for what felt like an eternity. To say this thing dragged on forever would be an understatement as I can’t recall watching a match in recent years that was so painfully boring or tough to sit through. What made it worse was that Bret Hart is my favorite wrestler of all time, so to see him tank so badly was pretty sad. Going back to what I said about Punk & Rey, I am stunned that match got cut for time while this one got to go on as long as it did. With Bret as limited as he is, why they would even consider stretching this match beyond, at the most, five minutes is a mystery to me. Also, the inclusion of The Hart Family & their turn just felt pointless & only added to the drawn out nature of the bout. This has got to be one of, if not the absolute, worst match in Wrestlemania’s history.

The Handicap is nothing to write home about either. This match was a glaring black eye on the Bound for Glory card going in as I didn’t have much interesting in watching Pope & Joe carry the load to make Sting & Nash look good in a match that founded on a directionless & horribly written storyline. What we got was a dull match with Jeff turning on Joe and leaving him to be torn apart by the three opponents. Outside of that, there is nothing to the match, but unlike the Hart/Vince match, at least it wasn’t drawn out & boring. So, the point goes to BFG, but I think we can all agree that maybe showcasing guys that are this far past their primes is a bad idea.

WM 3, BFG 4

WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP BOUTS

Chris Jericho (c) Vs. Edge: World Heavyweight Championship

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Batista (c) Vs. John Cena: WWE Championship

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Kurt Angle Vs. Jeff Hardy Vs. Mr. Anderson: Three Way for Vacant TNA World Championship
Well Wrestlemania has a bit of an edge on getting the point here since there are two World Championship bouts on that card. Starting off with Edge vs. Jericho, I have to say how under whelmed I was by this match. Out of the three matches on this list, I can honestly say it was the one that I was looking forward to the most, yet when it was all said and done, it was the weakest of the three. I think the major problem was how poorly the build up was handled. Edge, the Rated R Superstar, as a baby face is something I find interesting & could be cool. However, Edge the bonehead that yells “Spear! Spear! Spear!” like it’s the only word in his vocabulary doesn’t cut the mustard, and the crowd just wasn’t into him at all. This match was just uninteresting & uneventful for the most part. I really don’t have much to say about it other than that. It was very disappointing, and considering the talents involved, it should have been a lot better.

The 2nd Wrestlemania championship match involved Batista & John Cena, a match that was actually better than I expected. To get the negative out of the way, what really bothered me about it was how sloppy & even dangerous it seemed at points. Batista looked like he dropped Cena on his head with a DDT, Cena didn’t protect Batista too well on an FU (I’m sorry, AA), Batista didn’t quite catch Cena right on the Powerbomb counter, and I almost died laughing when WWE showed a slow motion replay of Cena doing the Five Knuckle Shuffle off the top which had zero contact with Batista’s head. At times, it looked like these guys were unpolished talents, & they’ve been main eventers for five years. It wasn’t the most technically sound match ever, but it was alright for what it was, & I was certainly more interested in what was going on in this one over the Edge/Jericho match. I also liked how they tied in elements from their first match, so all in all, Cena & Batista could have been worse.

Now onto Bound for Glory. I’ve already stated what I thought the main event should have been: Rob Van Dam Vs. Kurt Angle. With the rankings storyline for Kurt & RVD as a dominant champion, this would have been the perfect match to have. This three way though felt like a Plan B that was very uninteresting & poorly executed in its build up. Even with this new direction, the storyline didn’t make much sense. Why wouldn’t Anderson be given the championship after Angle & Hardy had multiple draws in a single elimination tournament, or better yet, why wouldn’t he be upset that he wasn’t made the champion? Despite all of that, this three way was actually pretty good, all because of the effort of the wrestlers. Angle, Anderson, & Hardy gave us a great athletic display with plenty of action and it was pretty exciting to watch. Well if creative isn’t going to give you anything to work with, you do all you can to make it work, and those three put forth a very strong effort. What everybody took from this match though was the ending with the Jeff Hardy heel turn & alignment with “They” Hulk Hogan & Eric Bischoff. As an ending, it was not surprising in the least that Hogan & Bischoff did what they did, but the Hardy heel turn was…interesting, I’ll say that. I have my doubts of whether or not Hardy can/will pull it off, but as far as the three title matches go, this one was the best match up. Now don’t get me wrong. NONE of these three matches were what I would call Match of the Year contenders. None of them are even close, but as far as which bout gave the best effort, I have to give it to Bound for Glory here. This is one that I felt should have been an easy win for Wrestlemania given the Edge/Jericho match, but that bout was so disappointing that I can’t give it any kind of credit.

WM 3, BFG 5

SPECIAL ATTRACTIONS
“The Heartbreak Kid” Shawn Michaels Vs. The Undertaker: Career Vs. Streak

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Absolutely Nothing.
Oh this is an interesting case. Not only was Shawn Michaels Vs. The Undertaker far and away the best match of both shows (so yeah, there’s one point), but it was also the key reason to tune into the show. Admittedly, I wasn’t interested in the match these two had at Wrestlemania XXV. Sure they went out there & had a great match, but going into it, I was thinking “Yeah yeah, Taker wins” and there wasn’t a whole lot of intrigue. This year, with a rematch, they raised the stakes. By putting Shawn Michaels’ career on the line & crafting the entire situation around Shawn’s obsession with beating Taker, they made it more interesting and a worthwhile attraction for the PPV. So, you had a great & emotional bout, complimented by a strong build up (far improved from the year before) & a special moment at the end as Shawn Michaels said goodbye to the WWE fans.

Now ultimately, here was the major problem with TNA’s Bound for Glory. There was nothing like this. There was nothing on the card that made me think “Oh wow, I want to see that”. I’m not saying they had to deliver a match that was as good as Taker/Shawn turned out, but creating a strong build up and/or an interesting situation to create intrigue in a show can really help. Bound for Glory turned out better than it had any right to be given the build up, but that’s largely because of the wrestlers putting forth effort. Creative gave them very little to work with. There were uninteresting title matches & nothing that really jumped out as anything special (I’m sorry, I didn’t really care about who “THEY” were or what Team 3D had to say). So right here, Wrestlemania gets a very easy & well deserved two points for what was the best part of both shows by a country mile. I’ll even go against my own rules here. Because that match was basically unopposed as nothing on the BFG card had anything remotely close to this as far as being interesting or having any kind of emotional investment attached to it, I’ll give it an additional point to Wrestlemania.

WM 6, BFG 5

Wrestlemania gets the win thanks to an outstanding main event that had everything that most PPV events severely lack these days: something to desire & a sense of importance. To be perfectly honest, neither show was that great. In Bound for Glory’s case, it was IMPOSSIBLE for that show to be great given the poor build up & poor promotion. For the show to be even be solid is more of an accomplishment from the wrestlers, and not so much the creative team. Wrestlemania XXVI had some interesting build up to it. Sure there were some things I didn’t care about, but with Money in the Bank, a feel good moment from Bret vs. Vince, Rey vs. Punk, Edge vs. Jericho for the World Title, a very high stakes Taker vs. Shawn match, I felt like Wrestlemania had the potential to be much improved over the previous year. It was better than XXV, but it didn’t quite live up to its own potential as a complete show. Thankfully, the Taker vs. Shawn match was allowed to close the show & did deliver big time, which ended the PPV on a big high note. However, some of the matches I was really looking forward to didn’t deliver much at all. Had Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels not been on that show as the main event, I think Wrestlemania would have been a lackluster show. However, at least WWE made me want their show as I can’t really say that for TNA & their big event, which was definitely their weakest Bound for Glory ever. As far as being the biggest & most spectacular PPVs for their respective companies, both shows fell far short.

Three Best Wrestlemania Matches
1) Shawn Michaels Vs. The Undertaker: Career Vs. Streak
2) Money in the Bank Ladder Match
3) Randy Orton Vs. Cody Rhodes Vs. Ted DiBiase

Three Worst Wrestlemania Matches
1) Bret Hart Vs. Vince McMahon: Street Fight
2) 10 Divas Tag Team Match
3) Big Show & The Miz Vs. John Morrison & R-Truth: Unified Tag Titles

Three Best Bound for Glory Matches
1) Motor City Machine Guns Vs. Generation Me: TNA Tag Titles
2) Rob Van Dam Vs. Abyss: Monster’s Ball
3) Kurt Angle Vs. Jeff Hardy Vs. Mr. Anderson: 3 Way for Vacant TNA World Title

Three Worst Bound for Glory Matches
1) Samoa Joe & Jeff Jarrett Vs. Kevin Nash, Sting, & The Pope
2) Ink Inc Vs.. Orlando Jordan & Eric Young
3) Angelina Vs. Velvet Vs. Tara Vs. Madison: TNA Knockout Title 4 Way Match

Three Best Matches Overall
1) Shawn Michaels Vs. The Undertaker: Career Vs. Streak
2) Motor City Machine Guns Vs. Generation Me: TNA Tag Titles
3) Money in the Bank Ladder Match

Three Worst Matches Overall
1) Bret Hart Vs. Vince McMahon: Street Fight
2) 10 Divas Tag Team Match
3) Samoa Joe & Jeff Jarrett Vs. Sting, Kevin Nash, & The Pope
 

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Great read, always like this stuff you do trips
 

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Just for the lulz, here's the attendance for both of them:
WrestleMania XXVI: 72,219
Bound for Glory 2010: 3,500

Yes, WrestleMania is established, but they had to paper the shit out of BFG.
 

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Personally I really enjoyed both Wrestlemania main events. Jericho vs Edge more. Those guys had a tough job bringing the crowd back to life after Vince vs Bret. While I havent seen BFG I gotta say Wrestlemania 26 is one of the top 10 Wrestlemanias ever, so its gonna be pretty hard to top.
 

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Great read. I love comparing WWE and TNA ppvs on a monthly basis. It's even more fun comparing WrestleMania and Bound for Glory.

Sadly, though, in my opinion, WM has ALWAYS been better than BFG. WrestleMania 21 was great, better than the still very good BFG that year. WM 22 was pretty good (better than I remember), but still better than the only solid BFG. WM 23 was great, and so was BFG '07. WM 23 had two HUGE main events, but BFG had a much better overall card. WM 24 and BFG '08 were both good (but WM 24 was great), and WM 25 and BFG '09 both sucked, but WM 25 still had UT/HBK.

This year, I'd say it's an unfortunate tie. WM 26 was a big disappointment, but BFG made the best out of a pretty weak card. Neither is all that good.
 

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im not a fan of WWE, but i watched some of Wrestlemania randomly on a stream, and i saw Undertaker vs. HBK, and it seemed like the most overrated match of all time based on what ive read on it. everyone thinks it was so great. the ending especially was weak to me with HBK basically asking to be tombstoned.
 

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Good read, I agreed on 95% of it! Glad WM got the win in the end, HBK vs. 'Taker was THAT good to give it 3 points, BFG didn't have anything like it really. Perhaps if they'd had Jeff vs. Angle at BFG with a decisive finish.
 

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Just for the lulz, here's the attendance for both of them:
WrestleMania XXVI: 72,219
Bound for Glory 2010: 3,500

Yes, WrestleMania is established, but they had to paper the shit out of BFG.
I'm one of those guys who doesn't look at the numbers to decide the quality of the show. Wrestlemania is going to outdraw BFG in every way. That's a given at this point, but whether or not BFG was a better show in terms of execution, writing, action, & enjoyment is up to the viewer & isn't really determined by how many people were in the crowd.

Great read. I love comparing WWE and TNA ppvs on a monthly basis. It's even more fun comparing WrestleMania and Bound for Glory.

Sadly, though, in my opinion, WM has ALWAYS been better than BFG. WrestleMania 21 was great, better than the still very good BFG that year. WM 22 was pretty good (better than I remember), but still better than the only solid BFG. WM 23 was great, and so was BFG '07. WM 23 had two HUGE main events, but BFG had a much better overall card. WM 24 and BFG '08 were both good (but WM 24 was great), and WM 25 and BFG '09 both sucked, but WM 25 still had UT/HBK.

This year, I'd say it's an unfortunate tie. WM 26 was a big disappointment, but BFG made the best out of a pretty weak card. Neither is all that good.
I'm actually on the opposite end as I tend to prefer BFG.

2005 = I'll give that one to Mania 21, which I felt would have been one of the best Manias had the two World Title matches been better. BFG was still pretty damn good, especially considering they lost their main event the day of the show.

2006 = BFG for me. No question. It was just a more exciting show & just a lot of fun to watch. Mania 22 was better than it had any right to be given the terrible build up, but I still had some big problems with it.

2007 = BFG by a country mile. BFG07 is actually my favorite TNA PPV of all time. Mania was good thanks to some strong main events, but as you said, BFG was a more complete show.

2008 = Slight edge goes to Mania thanks to the Ric Flair angle, but I really liked both shows that year. This was probably the best year when combining the quality of both shows.

2009 = BFG was way better. It wasn't the best BFG, but Mania XXV was basically saved from being a disaster by Taker/Michaels.

And then of course we have this year which I gave to Mania, so that's 3-3. If 2008 was the best year, then this one was probably the worst with BY FAR the weakest BFG to date & an average Mania that didn't quite live up to its potential.
 

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Yeah TNA did have a problem giving us "that great moment" on Bound For Glory just like they do every year. They've almost had no signifigant moments that I can actually think of in their 8 year history as a company. In TNA's history there have been some great matches but almost never anything you wanna see outside of a 4-5 star match that goes nowhere to help the company in the long run. I'm saying TNA never makes us care and they didn't here either on their big "wrestlemania" ppv of the year. I guess Jeff Hardy turning heel was suppose to be one of their moments and it was a signifigant storyline developmental check point but it didn't make you emotionally moved or anything. It was more of just a shocker and a way for us to hate on Hardy, Hogan, and everything else about TNA even more.
 

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(This is just for fun. I'm not being completely serious.)

You're not acknowledging the fact that Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels was significantly better than anything else on both of the cards and has qualities that TNA's show did not have. That's not just worth one point.

Shawn Michaels' Retirement - 5 points
Undertaker Streak 18-0 - 2 points
Quality of Match - 3 points
Legacy & Replay Value - 2 points

Adding those points to your tally...

WWE WrestleMania - 18
TNA Bound for Glory - 5
 

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If you're going to award 3 points based on one match, i think its only fair to subtract a point or two for the abomination that was Vince vs Bret. To have so much build and such a putrid match how can you not subtract for the major letdown? It wasnt just Bret either, it was horribly booked. I dont watch WWE, but i did see Wrestlemania at a bar....and like riddlerap said i also believe HBK vs Undertaker to be overrated. Good match? Sure. But it wasnt anywhere near as epic as people make it out to be.

(This is just for fun. I'm not being completely serious.)

You're not acknowledging the fact that Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels was significantly better than anything else on both of the cards and has qualities that TNA's show did not have. That's not just worth one point.

Shawn Michaels' Retirement - 5 points
Undertaker Streak 18-0 - 2 points
Quality of Match - 3 points
Legacy & Replay Value - 2 points

Adding those points to your tally...

WWE WrestleMania - 18
TNA Bound for Glory - 5
Bret Hart wrestling - minus 5 pts
Scripting of match - minus 9 pts

Wrestlemania - 4
Bound for Glory - 5
 

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The Hart Vs McMahon match was terrible, essential storyline wise but for the most part one of the worse things to ever grace the halls of 'Mania. Especially if you were a fan of the old Bret Hart, you know he would not be able to in any way wrestle like he used to but the effort he gave was pathetic, the Taker match was definitely the biggest Draw though and it was obvious that Taker was going to win but it was still great to watch the build up and the match itself.
 

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Pretty much what I was thinking.

You can't compare the two; they're universes apart.
I don't subscribe to that world of thinking. So Mania is the better show because of the larger venue & a bigger crowd? By that logic, Transformers Revenge of the Fallen is a much better movie than a film like Groundhog Day because it had a bigger budget and made a lot more money at the box office. I think any adult human being of average intelligence that saw both movies will tell you that is certainly not the case.

The size of the audience does not determine the quality of the show. Any ROH fan will tell you that. They don't like ROH because of how big the crowds & how big the venues are. They are legitimately enthralled by what they see in the ring. What matters more than anything was how the show made you feel & whether or not you were emotionally invested in what was going on.

So yeah, the size of the crowd isn't comparable, but the quality of the show definitely is.
 

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im not a fan of WWE, but i watched some of Wrestlemania randomly on a stream, and i saw Undertaker vs. HBK, and it seemed like the most overrated match of all time based on what ive read on it. everyone thinks it was so great. the ending especially was weak to me with HBK basically asking to be tombstoned.
exactly, if u were a fan of wwe u would of liked it, but ur not so u dont like it
 
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