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The number of civilians killed in Iraq in 2014 doubled from 9,743 in 2013, while compared to 2012, the number has grown nearly four times, Iraq Body Count reports.

"These numbers do not include combatant deaths, which even by the most cautious tallies have also seen a sharp rise in 2014," the group said in its report.
Last year’s is the highest death toll since 2006-07, and IBC links it to the rise of Islamic State (also known as ISIS, or ISIL) as a major force in the conflict, the Iraqi military response and the bombing campaign by US and coalition air forces.

Iraq Body Counts' estimates:
Baghdad: 4,767 deaths
Anbar: 3,623 deaths
Salah Al Din: 2,550 deaths
Ninewa: 2,367 deaths
Baghdad has become the deadliest Iraqi city for civilians, where 4,767 civilians have been killed in violence. In Anbar province the death toll reached 3,600 with half of them - 1,748 people – being victims of the Iraqi military daily air strikes, the report says.
A number of those killed by the Islamic State in provinces of Salah al-Din and Ninewa have also “contributed significantly” to the Iraq Body Count’s statistics.

In the meantime, the Iraqi government has also issued its numbers of people killed during 2014. Official death toll, however, is lower – 15,000 deaths. The government has called 2014 the deadliest year since 2007.

The monitoring group estimates that 4,325 were killed by the IS across the reviewed area while 1,748 civilians were reported killed by Iraqi airstrikes.

For the first time since 2011, the US coalition’s actions have been directly linked to deaths among civilians. The group said 118 civilians were reported killed by Western airstrikes.
A further 10,858 civilians were reported killed by unidentified actors, IBC concluded.

However, this death toll does not include combatant deaths, meaning that the combined number could be as high as 47, 000 people.

The IBC says that combatant deaths range from 4,000 to 30,000 people, which suggests that the total deaths from war-related violence in 2014 is between 21,000 and 47,000 people, “making it one of the three worst years of the conflict that began nearly 12 years ago.”

Another monitoring group, the Britain-based the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, has also released its figures from Iraq’s neighboring state, where civil war started in 2011. Last year saw an intensification of the fighting amid the Islamic State offensive.

According to the group’s data, 33,278 civilians, including 3,501 children and 1,987 women, were killed in 2014, while the combined death toll for 2014 is 76,000 people.
http://rt.com/news/219223-iraq-civilian-death-toll/
Dated 1st january

Alot of deaths very unnecessary and very odious in nature. There may be more as that is just confirmed deaths.

Wonder is how this group now have control of regions in libya, sinai and syria/iraq? Who funds them and why are they taking control?
 

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ISIS will continue to terrorize Iraq and Syria until the 2016 American presidential elections. At which time the Republican candidate will run on a platform of massive US military response against ISIS, and he will win, because by then the world will be so fed up with ISIS that they will support an all-out war to destroy them. Then we'll have a full on US/coalition assault in the middle east to destroy ISIS. I'm talking 500,000+ troops. It'll be the "clash of civilizations" that has been building since 9/11.

This isn't "tin-foil hat" conspiracy non-sense. Just think about it. We already know for a fact that Pakistan's ISI has been funding the Taliban the whole time the U.S. has been fighting them, while simultaneously receiving funding from the U.S. And ISIS was formed largely as a result of U.S. policy in Iraq (disbanding the military, blackballing the Ba'ath party, etc.). There is evidence that ISIS members have been trained and equipped by the US and/or Mossad. Either U.S. policy-makers are INCREDIBLY stupid, or they've had a plan all along. Either one is pretty scary.
 

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There is evidence that ISIS members have been trained and equipped by the US and/or Mossad. Either U.S. policy-makers are INCREDIBLY stupid, or they've had a plan all along. Either one is pretty scary.
Is a massively unseen black arms market not only from USA but many other areas that's been implemented (and at times civil wars started) just to not only 'field-test' the weapons but also to gain huge revenue/sales. Sickenly sad but true that TV generated Charity jackpots earned from general public fund-raisers (such as Comic Relief, Geldof's Feed world etc) all the countless millions (from many countries charity promotions) is firstly 'invested' into military research then, once development is created and sold, the money is finally awarded to the charities (which can be anywhere from 6months to a year afterwards) and profits are heldback.
Also, from a 'we don't want anymore wars in middle-east' protests viewpoint, what better way to sway this view than to have a 'renegade' army causing havoc; it not only keeps USA's interests maintained there for civil control presence (much like Afghanistan) but also develops extended regional influence all while allowing these 'hired renegades' to slaughter the inhabitants.
 

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Terrible. The last thing this needs is Team America coming to 'save the day'. I wish America would go back to their days on non interventionism. They started their country to depart from King, Pope and European wars. Now their country is dictated by religion in some sectors, they have created their own royalty with previous presidents and their dynasties, and have become a heavily militarised nation. It's not good for the soul. It may be how the world works but there should be and there is a better way. In history the best things have been done by sitting and talking with one another and understanding the place they are coming from.

To end this we need to get Iran on page with us. And stop policing the world, it is not our job nor is it our prerogative
 

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ISIS is more or less something we should have seen coming.
Did people actually think that all of the people who had a close person killed in the Iraq war is just going to sit back and "Deal With it"
Its happening in Libya too where Gaddafi Loyalist who were being tortured by the new goverment became terrorists and have a massive hatred for the west for killing there hero.
Basicly The west tried to change an old culture that they knew nothing about and it backfired, Iran was actually an ally of the west before Operation Ajax where America replaced a democratic leader with a dictator because the democratic leader was a "Socialist" which was seen as pure evil at the time because of The cold war. And yet people wonder why Iran Is so angry at America.
 

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Alot of deaths very unnecessary and very odious in nature. There may be more as that is just confirmed deaths.

Wonder is how this group now have control of regions in libya, sinai and syria/iraq? Who funds them and why are they taking control?
They essentially established their version of a caliphate in areas of Syria where they have control, and are funding their operations through a combination of mafia-style strong arming of locals, control of oil, and the funds they took when they invaded certain areas of Iraq that had financial institutions (see Mosul).

ISIS is in a jam, in my opinion. The Iranians absolutely loathe them, largely because they are sunnis. The Saudis hate them because 1) They are bring a shitload of negative attention to wahabbist and salafi jihadism and, more importantly; 2) ISIS has openly declared its intent to storm the land of Mecca and Medina, which freaked the Saudis out enough to start building razor wire barriers to keep them out.

ISIS is losing more and more ground due to US airstrikes as well as the Iranian pipeline of arms to shi'ite and kurdish rebels. I imagine that in the next couple years ISIS will no longer be threatening a full on caliphate, but rather will be a more aggressive version of al-Qaeda with a decent amount of funding.
 

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Terrible. The last thing this needs is Team America coming to 'save the day'. I wish America would go back to their days on non interventionism. They started their country to depart from King, Pope and European wars. Now their country is dictated by religion in some sectors, they have created their own royalty with previous presidents and their dynasties, and have become a heavily militarised nation. It's not good for the soul. It may be how the world works but there should be and there is a better way. In history the best things have been done by sitting and talking with one another and understanding the place they are coming from.

To end this we need to get Iran on page with us. And stop policing the world, it is not our job nor is it our prerogative
yeah i really wonder what would have happened if the US didnt intervene in Europe during WWII? I mean we also have people that give the US shit for not intervening in Rwanda.

They can never win.
 

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ISIS will continue to terrorize Iraq and Syria until the 2016 American presidential elections. At which time the Republican candidate will run on a platform of massive US military response against ISIS, and he will win, because by then the world will be so fed up with ISIS that they will support an all-out war to destroy them. Then we'll have a full on US/coalition assault in the middle east to destroy ISIS. I'm talking 500,000+ troops. It'll be the "clash of civilizations" that has been building since 9/11.

This isn't "tin-foil hat" conspiracy non-sense. Just think about it. We already know for a fact that Pakistan's ISI has been funding the Taliban the whole time the U.S. has been fighting them, while simultaneously receiving funding from the U.S. And ISIS was formed largely as a result of U.S. policy in Iraq (disbanding the military, blackballing the Ba'ath party, etc.). There is evidence that ISIS members have been trained and equipped by the US and/or Mossad. Either U.S. policy-makers are INCREDIBLY stupid, or they've had a plan all along. Either one is pretty scary.
this is silly

no matter who is elected president there aren't gonna be US soldiers on the ground fighting islamic state except maybe special forces occasionally.

both hillary and random GOP guy will bomb more than obama but that's about it

it's a faction within the ISI that supported muhajideen and later taliban and that faction still has a lot of power when it comes to ISI policy towards afghanistan but the pakistani taliban is pretty unpopular in pakistan's government these days.

ISIS is CIA-mossad :lmao

the CIA and mossad don't need ISIS to kill hezbollah and iranians

they do it themselves literally all the time

Originally Posted by Phaedra View Post
Terrible. The last thing this needs is Team America coming to 'save the day'. I wish America would go back to their days on non interventionism. They started their country to depart from King, Pope and European wars. Now their country is dictated by religion in some sectors, they have created their own royalty with previous presidents and their dynasties, and have become a heavily militarised nation. It's not good for the soul. It may be how the world works but there should be and there is a better way. In history the best things have been done by sitting and talking with one another and understanding the place they are coming from.

To end this we need to get Iran on page with us. And stop policing the world, it is not our job nor is it our prerogative
if team america really came to save the day ISIS wouldnt last six months

but then with no ISIS the non-ISIS arabs and the kurds and the persians go back to shooting each other instead

george bush tried stopping that with about 100,000 soldiers and couldn't do it

sending 500,000 for the middle east or 300,000 or any really considering the last 15 years... sorry the middle east isn't THAT important

btw these halcyon days of non interventionism (that never actually existed) were the most deeply religious periods of american history. it has also always been heavily militarized even when it had no standing army or only a very small one. martial themes have been very strong in american culture from before the US was an independent nation, the pioneer/liberty aspects have war all wrapped up in them. besides fighting indians many original colonists had been in a warlike mentality because of the government of england oppressing them because they were puritans or catholics or whatever was out of fashion at the time. that was passed down through generations and is part of the origin of the don't tread on me attitude. which is inherently violent, tread on me and i'll rattlesnake your ass.

the only true time when america was culturally non-interventionist was in between world war 1 and 2.

also yes it is our job we agreed to it after ww2 and the chinese and the russians aren't going anywhere soon. there isn't a government in the "West" that seriously wants america to go all lindbergh. they'd have to spend the money and find the soldiers and sailors to uphold the western internationalist order themselves!

as for prerogatives, international relations are as close to anarchy as you get. prerogatives are what nations make of them. china and russia wouldn't say "we don't have the right" if america did. very few countries actually would.
 

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yeah i really wonder what would have happened if the US didnt intervene in Europe during WWII? I mean we also have people that give the US shit for not intervening in Rwanda.

They can never win.
Eh America won the war in the Pacific, In Europe not so much
 

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yeah i really wonder what would have happened if the US didnt intervene in Europe during WWII? I mean we also have people that give the US shit for not intervening in Rwanda.

They can never win.
Why do you think the US image policy is "take criticism to the face"

The government knows that people are going to be pissed no matter what so they just say "fuck it" and only worry about protecting their interests

I can't blame them

A lot of the US's actions are also to help the other nations in NATO who don't want to take PR hits
 

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Eh America won the war in the Pacific, In Europe not so much
other than keeping the entire russian air force flying with american aviation gasoline (which was where about 90% of russian avgas came from, america)

and the red army on the move with 50,000 made in the USA trucks (much of the huge russian victories in 1943 and 1944 can be attributed to the vastly superior mobility of the red army to the german army, an advantage which only existed because america gave them a shit ton of transportation vehicles from trucks to boats to planes)

the USA also gave russia about 10 million rifles and hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition

and keeping russian factories churning out tanks by sending american industrial experts to russia to fix up their fucked-4-ways-from-sunday-by-communism-and-also-by-german-bombing factory system

and invading italy which kept a dozen+ german divisions from being transferred to the eastern front in 1943-44

and invading france which kept 30+ german divisions tied down in france and the low countries instead of being sent off to the eastern front

etc.
 
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