Absolutely,I consider guys like Rude, Roberts, Dibiase, Perfect, and Piper to be stars. They were just from an era dominated by a bigger star and didn't get to hold the top spot. It isn't like they weren't heavily utilized. Out of that bunch I've always preferred Jake. Just barely though.
Now if I'm looking at what has constituted what I feel like a star for quite a long time now, my answer is Muhammad Hassan. He was literally cut off just at the moment he was about to be allowed to really shine.
Piper is not on this list. I agree he is a star, was a star, no question about it.Absolutely,
I think it's a tad bit insulting to some of theses guys, insinuating that they were not mega stars. or did not get that "extra push?"
I mean no offense OP. Seriously I enjoy your posts and this is the second thread in a row I have sounded like "get off my lawn guy" sorry,
But back then Piper, Dibiase, Jake, Rude....they were mega stars. There was nothing on the cusp about any of them. I mean Piper headlined two of the highest profile matches in the history of the era. Dibiase was the main heel in the world for over two years, and so on.
As far as the Jake answers....he went about as far as he could, or should have.
There was only one Hulk Hogan, no one in that era could touch him, or had any right too. However Piper and Dibiase especially were about as over as anyone ever, and I garuntee you they did not feel like they were "on the cusp" and no one around during that time thought they were either.
My answer would be Paul Burchill, Butch Reed, or Wade Barrett
Butch Reed was hot when he first came in but for whatever reason Vince soured on him quickly. He was my guy so Im probably being biased.Piper is not on this list. I agree he is a star, was a star, no question about it.
Jake was the only guy on the list i was worried of putting on the list because he was so very close to being on that upper tier...but that's my point. And Dibiase did main event a wrestlemania, so i agree maybe he's the guy that doesn't belong here.
But Rude and Perfect absolutely belong on this list. Neither of those guys were pushed to their absolute fullest potential...and ill say the same about Jake.
All of these guys were just about there but didn't get that extra nudge to be put on Hogan, Savage, Warrior, Andre the Giant, Piper, Flair, Sting, Dusty (last 3 for JCP) level.
I can conceded Dibiase and maybe jake but not rude and perfect. Those guys were NOT used to their fullest potential. Same with the rest of the guys on the list.
Butch Reed was "on the cusp"?
Sid Justice - WWE wanted him to be the next Hulk Hogan, and unlike other attempts to generate a new FOTC this one was actually working. But the company got cold feet after Sid suffered a triceps injury and the steroid controversy heated up. Sid went from being the future foundation of the company to a heel opponent for the Warrior.In the 80s and 90s, there were a ton of those "ALMOST THERE" wrestlers that had all the talent in the world, and really could've been on that upper tier of stars, but.... just didn't get there.
Which ONE is the biggest head shaker... the one that needed just a little extra umph to get over... the one that could've been on the level of Hogan, Savage, Warrior, Bret, HBK?
Note: You CAN use hindsight for this poll. So you know some of these wrestlers demons and you know the baggage that might come from a push. OR!! You say, with a better push, and a better atittude, the demons would never come up.
- Jake the Snake
- Ted Dibiase
- Mr Perfect
- Ravishing Rick Rude
- Owen Hart
- Razor Ramon
- Rob Van Damn
- Big Boss Man
- Vader (in WWF)
- Booker T
- Cody Rhodes
- Dolph Ziggler
*I consider Piper, Edge, D Bryan, CM Punk, Jericho all to be stars in their own right*
*Jake never got... THERE. Piper had the hollywood career to help him. Jake did not*
nah Miz is a star. could he be 'even higher'? Definitely...but in today's wrestling landscape, he's there.Dolph Ziggler in 2014(?) after he won the Survivor Series was a Star in waiting...then HHH and Vince remembered the only people they push thesedays is The Shield and jobbed Ziggler out for years.
Cody Rhodes, Ryback, 2016 Miz are good shouts as well.
I'm thinking long term. He got one great push well paced push...then got steamrolled by Super Cena and has been a comedy jobber since. The guy should have been a consistent Main Event guy.nah Miz is a star. could he be 'even higher'? Definitely...but in today's wrestling landscape, he's there.
Plus, the guy was given a WWE title win at wrestlemania.