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Nah Kofi is white hot and super over because he's won the big one, An 11 year WWE vet who's made it to the top gets people intrigued because he felt like a real underdog.

Bayley has been buried for a long time now and always felt like the weak link no one cared about out of the 4HW, She's nowhere near as popular as Kofi and maybe her antics wherever true or not lately is the reason, But who knows.
 

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Her main roster run so far has been underwhelming and it's clear Vince doesn't see her as a big star. Facts are Facts. It sucks especially as someone who clearly loves what she does and i'm sure is a great employee, and you could tell been in WWE is everything to her. But it has to come to a point she has to question been in WWE is the right thing for her in this point in her career.

A heel turn and makeover, might be the making of her. And it probably won't amount for nothing and she be stuck in the mid card life. But at this point she needs to take a risk, if it doesn't work out and WWE isn't doing it for her. She can move on to something new.
My long term goal on this forum is to break everyone from the habit of blaming Vince and realize that people have to ultimately take ownership, just because I like Bayley, I am not going to say she doesn't have ownership. True, it does ultimately fall under Vince which it always does with the leader, but she completely stunk it up her first few months which has left a lingering odor, and the all time bad this is your life segment did not do any favors either, and some of her wrestling moves from NXT just did not translate well on Raw.

It would be really neat if she became Sister Abigail as one poster theorized and just went to a really dark evil place, but she probably doesn't have the ovarian fortitude to pull the trigger there. Ultimately, though, I wouldnt want her to really do that; she needs to stay a babyface, you need those really good guy type people on your roster as a beacon for younger audiences and she is that.
 

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Izzy is already working the Indie's so they'll probably keep her the same character till Izzy turns 18 then have Izzy squash her.
 

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Heel turn needs to happen very soon. That should at least give new life to her run in the WWE. I'd be fine seeing her win MITB and cash-in on any major PPV. Theme song needs to change too, that's way too positive for a heel.
I agree she could definitely use this situation to her advantage and get a new theme and start doing things like wearing her hair in different ways and start acting bitter, angry and irritable because of feeling scorned by the fans.
 

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My long term goal on this forum is to break everyone from the habit of blaming Vince and realize that people have to ultimately take ownership, just because I like Bayley, I am not going to say she doesn't have ownership. True, it does ultimately fall under Vince which it always does with the leader, but she completely stunk it up her first few months which has left a lingering odor, and the all time bad this is your life segment did not do any favors either, and some of her wrestling moves from NXT just did not translate well on Raw.
Well the buck does stop at Vince. He's the one who call's the shots for storylines and who goes over. He's not the villain of everything but his fingerprints are over 80% of Bayley's failure on the Main Roster. I agree her in ring performances havent been great. But the truth is was she ever that great of a worker or NXT knew her strengths and weaknesses, the fact the main roster writers and Vince don't know what made Bayley special.

I think that Alexa feud just ruined her. She's never recovered from it.
 

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Well the buck does stop at Vince. He's the one who call's the shots for storylines and who goes over. He's not the villain of everything but his fingerprints are over 80% of Bayley's failure on the Main Roster. I agree her in ring performances havent been great. But the truth is was she ever that great of a worker or NXT knew her strengths and weaknesses, the fact the main roster writers and Vince don't know what made Bayley special.

I think that Alexa feud just ruined her. She's never recovered from it.
I really respect your opinion here Looper, but I think you gotta look at the fanbase here. The geeks at Full Sail pop for everything....they pop for Blue Pants. The fact that Bayley cannot act in her character without making it sound scripted or wooden is what ultimately holds her back, and you can get away with this as a heel or a tweener to a degree. But if you aren't overtly passionate (Sting is the absolute best example here) about what you are doing as a babyface and make it believable, you will crash and burn every time.

Which is a mystery to me how Kofi got over to the level he has, but I feel those flames will cull here shortly.
 

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I really respect your opinion here Looper, but I think you gotta look at the fanbase here. The geeks at Full Sail pop for everything....they pop for Blue Pants. The fact that Bayley cannot act in her character without making it sound scripted or wooden is what ultimately holds her back, and you can get away with this as a heel or a tweener to a degree. But if you aren't overtly passionate (Sting is the absolute best example here) about what you are doing as a babyface and make it believable, you will crash and burn every time.

Which is a mystery to me how Kofi got over to the level he has, but I feel those flames will cull here shortly.
The main roster crowd will pop for anything as well, not just Full Sail thing. That Kofi thing only became big a few weeks ago, it wasn't a thing the crowd for clamoring for years. The wrestling crowd's are so fickle and easy to please at times it's not helped the business as a whole.

Do I think Bayley is a main eventer like the other 3 in the 4HW group? No I don't to be fair. Should she be used a lot better on the main roster? definitely, the main roster writers and Vince should have asked down in NXT what made her special and worked on making her look a ton better.

I said this before on other threads, maybe the best thing for some talent is to go away for a few years from WWE and find themselves and come back better for it. I think Bayley is someone who could do with that, Sasha the same. I do think Vince doesn't see either as a big star, prove me wrong otherwise. Their title runs felt like keeping the title warm rather been a set marker.
 

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She doesn't have the personality to pull off a convincing heel turn. I think Bayley will mostly be used to put over other talent in the same role Becky did on Smackdown for a few years before she got her big push.
 

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Totally agree. I want to see a pissed off, angry Bayley on SDL.

She tweeted that her goal still remains to be the best tag team, along with Sasha. Well, if WWE bring Sasha back on RAW, that could be a trigger for Bayley to lose her shit. Maybe she goes after Becky's RAW title, trying to get back onto RAW with Sasha, but she loses 2 or 3 times, setting off a heel turn?

Whatever way it's done, I hope it is in the plans ...
 

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I’m not a Bayley fan, she’s solid enough in ring but has an awful finisher, needs a refresh and is an awful promo cutter. But I did feel sorry for her with the crowd reaction. I’m not a huge Sasha fan either and I don’t mean to negate Bayley’s part in whatever happens at WM re:Tag Title droppage; but Bayley was getting booed because of Sasha for me. I’m not sure a heel turn will work that well either but she definitely needs a repackage and a ‘growing up’ move as her current persona died a death ages ago, especially when they never went anywhere with the tease of the Sacha break up. If it was up to me, I’d actually take her off of TV for a month or two and completely rethink it.
 

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Bayley as a Charlotte lackey would work, but her problem is on the mic. She can play a delusional heel and get heat, but career wise it will likely do nothing for her. Tag team belts are done, as is boss hug. She definitely needs to be repackaged somehow before she fucks around and becomes the Nattie of Smackdown.
 

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She needs a heel turn with a loose canon gimmick and more impactful finisher , a submission move , a brainbuster or knee strike variation will do the trick.
 

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I think eather Bliss or Charlotte to win the MITB contract

Would be nice Bayley/Charlotte a heel team
Charlotte doesn't need the MITB briefcase. She gets a title shot anytime she wants anyways. It should be someone who is rarely in the title picture or hasn't been for awhile.
 

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but Bayley was getting booed because of Sasha for me.
Sasha would get a huge pop if they brought whatever's going on backstage to her character. Bayley got booed because she got jobbed out to Bliss in a match where Bliss' did nothing but slaps and hair pulls and a DDT. Bayley getting booed after being jobbed out to Bliss happened before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMm1Lzm_Xag
 

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Do I think Bayley is a main eventer like the other 3 in the 4HW group? No I don't to be fair. Should she be used a lot better on the main roster? definitely, the main roster writers and Vince should have asked down in NXT what made her special and worked on making her look a ton better.

I said this before on other threads, maybe the best thing for some talent is to go away for a few years from WWE and find themselves and come back better for it. I think Bayley is someone who could do with that, Sasha the same. I do think Vince doesn't see either as a big star, prove me wrong otherwise. Their title runs felt like keeping the title warm rather been a set marker.
Bayley hasn't improved.

Booking for her has not been good, but that is mainly because they stuck a mic in her face, and she is the worst promo maybe in wrestling today.

the problem is people assume Bayley would be something she has never proven to be.

People who have been bad on the mic have flourished on Raw talk, and Talking Smack, and when Becky went on there, she was stopped by Lita and educated/scolded by Booker T and Lita on how to do a promo.

That was 2 years ago, and she still hasn't gotten better, in fact... she may be worse.
 

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thankfully for her she was moved to SD so the gorgeous and deadly Alexa can't embarrass her any more

 

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You know what she should do? Try and play that Kurt Angle character when he first debuted. He thought he was a good guy but everyone else hated him. The same kind of deal happened with Jason Jordan before his injury.

Bayley is dorky enough to make it work. It would channel her natural personality.

SD's women's division is really good but it lacks credible top heels besides Charlotte.
 
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