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Something abt Orton makes me think he is main-eventer

Jericho has always been a mid-carder to me

So if Orton retired today,would he placed higher than Jericho in all time greats?
 

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Everyone is bigger than Jericho :D
 

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Yes. Not by that much when you consider the multiple era-spanning history of Jericho's career, but Orton reached the inner circle tippy top top of WWE, whereas Jericho has never quite managed to break into it. Orton's established at the top of WWE's marketing, he's the guy on the cover of their latest video game, he is marketed quite heavily in the heartland of America, among young women, etceteras. Jericho's never really been treated in that manner by a major wrestling promotion. He became a genuine main event mainstay beginning with his heel turn in 2008 and remains such to this day, and his career is extraordinarily accomplished. Considering what kind of competition Jericho faced during his early WWE run in the Attitude Era, this factor is only magnified. But Orton has simply reached a higher level of superstardom within WWE. Again, though, if I were to evaluate them both objectively, Orton over Jericho in this regard isn't a blowout the way it would be if we were talking about Triple H or Cena.
 

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Yes. Not by that much when you consider the multiple era-spanning history of Jericho's career, but Orton reached the inner circle tippy top top of WWE, whereas Jericho has never quite managed to break into it. Orton's established at the top of WWE's marketing, he's the guy on the cover of their latest video game, he is marketed quite heavily in the heartland of America, among young women, etceteras. Jericho's never really been treated in that manner by a major wrestling promotion. He became a genuine main event mainstay beginning with his heel turn in 2008 and remains such to this day, and his career is extraordinarily accomplished. Considering what kind of competition Jericho faced during his early WWE run in the Attitude Era, this factor is only magnified. But Orton has simply reached a higher level of superstardom within WWE. Again, though, if I were to evaluate them both objectively, Orton over Jericho in this regard isn't a blowout the way it would be if we were talking about Triple H or Cena.
spot on. + in my book both have underachieved and havent really kicked on from their respective gimmicks. orton has really good start to his career with evolution and ic reign but dint get much of chance with his legend killer persona with his face turn. his early face turn sucked. he had to reinvent his heel persona to get to and stay at main event level.

and jerichos career hasnt fared much better either. hes gone downhill since his first heel turn. he was wasted in the mid card level before he left. after his return he gets elevated to main event level and has stayed there to this date but hasnt set the world on fire.

but these two guys have been and still are very dependable solid workers and you cant ask much more of em and theyve done it all. jericho might get the nod in for me because his career has expanded for longer across multiple organisations.
 

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Depends what you mean by bigger.

In terms of how much time and effort the WWE has invested in you, then sure Orton is bigger.

In terms of talent, legendary status and potential, Jericho is a million times better than Orton.

Jericho belongs in the same category as Austin, Rock, Triple H and Angle in terms of talent, but he never really got the chance to reach his full potential.
 

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Jericho is a guy who just almost never gets injured. He only leaves for a while to do his singing and dancing stuff.
Orton is a guy who does get injured but he takes rest and comes back.

Jericho lost to Heat Slater CLEAN, did it affect him? Nope. Jericho always stays relevant. Hes always been an upper mid-carder to main eventer. It depends on how stacked the roster is.

Orton on the other hand doesn't lose clean to jobbers, and if he did it would really affect him. Hes always been a main eventer. So hes a bigger star with bigger star power. But jericho is very close even though he loses to jobbers
 

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Depends what you mean by bigger.

In terms of how much time and effort the WWE has invested in you, then sure Orton is bigger.

In terms of talent, legendary status and potential, Jericho is a million times better than Orton.

Jericho belongs in the same category as Austin, Rock, Triple H and Angle in terms of talent, but he never really got the chance to reach his full potential.
Talent can't be measured so how you perform or leave a mark matters

Jericho was never in the same league as Austin,Rock or HHH.Though he was very good,there was something missing about him
 

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Orton is 12 years into his career and has achieved more than Jericho had 12 years in. For Jericho 2002 would be 12 years into his career. In 2002, Jericho lost the Undisputed title to Triple H at Wrestlemania X8 and was then hanging out around the mid-card challenging for the IC and tag team belts. Orton is still in the World Heavyweight title picture and has stayed at the main event level for a while now. Let's look at the accomplishments of each up to the point of 12 years into their careers:

Jericho:
Undisputed Champion - 1 (98 Days Total)
WCW World Champion (WWE version) - 1 (15 Days Total)
Intercontinental Champion - 5 (169 Days Total)
European Champion - 1 (1 Day Total)
Hardcore Champion - 1 (0 Days total)
Tag Team Champion - 3 (99 Days Total)
WCW Cruiserweight Champion - 4 (231 Days Total)
WCW Television Champion - 1 (112 Days Total)

17 Championships - 725 Days Total

Orton:
WWE Champion - 6 (420 Days Total)
World Heavyweight Champion - 3 (138 Days Total)
Intercontinental Champion - 1 (210 Days Total)
Tag Team Champion - 1 (77 Days Total)
Royal Rumble Winner - 1 (2009)

11 Championships - 845 Days Total

Jericho (17) has more championships in his first 12 years than Orton (11). But Orton (845) has more days holding a belt than Jericho (725). If we remove what Jericho accomplished in WCW from the equation and look strictly at WWE, then Orton has clearly accomplished more in his first 12 years than Jericho. Removing WCW from his resume, Jericho has 12 Championships for 382 days. Orton primarily has won the main event titles while Jericho primarily competed for mid-card titles in his first 12 years. So it is pretty easy to see that Orton is bigger than Jericho at this stage in his career.
 

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Orton is 12 years into his career and has achieved more than Jericho had 12 years in. For Jericho 2002 would be 12 years into his career. In 2002, Jericho lost the Undisputed title to Triple H at Wrestlemania X8 and was then hanging out around the mid-card challenging for the IC and tag team belts. Orton is still in the World Heavyweight title picture and has stayed at the main event level for a while now. Let's look at the accomplishments of each up to the point of 12 years into their careers:

Jericho:
Undisputed Champion - 1 (98 Days Total)
WCW World Champion (WWE version) - 1 (15 Days Total)
Intercontinental Champion - 5 (169 Days Total)
European Champion - 1 (1 Day Total)
Hardcore Champion - 1 (0 Days total)
Tag Team Champion - 3 (99 Days Total)
WCW Cruiserweight Champion - 4 (231 Days Total)
WCW Television Champion - 1 (112 Days Total)

17 Championships - 725 Days Total

Orton:
WWE Champion - 6 (420 Days Total)
World Heavyweight Champion - 3 (138 Days Total)
Intercontinental Champion - 1 (210 Days Total)
Tag Team Champion - 1 (77 Days Total)
Royal Rumble Winner - 1 (2009)

11 Championships - 845 Days Total

Jericho (17) has more championships in his first 12 years than Orton (11). But Orton (845) has more days holding a belt than Jericho (725). If we remove what Jericho accomplished in WCW from the equation and look strictly at WWE, then Orton has clearly accomplished more in his first 12 years than Jericho. Removing WCW from his resume, Jericho has 12 Championships for 382 days. Orton primarily has won the main event titles while Jericho primarily competed for mid-card titles in his first 12 years. So it is pretty easy to see that Orton is bigger than Jericho at this stage in his career.

You can not compare just by days holding a title. Back when Jericho started in WWE the talent level was stacked and being tag champ or ic champ meant a whole lot. The tag titles back then drew more money than the smackdown world title today so it isnt easy to compare eras.
 

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Yes Randy Orton is the bigger star. Jericho is better.
 

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In the WWE Universe Orton is bigger, but in general as terms of "star" and drawing power Jericho is bigger.
 

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You can not compare just by days holding a title. Back when Jericho started in WWE the talent level was stacked and being tag champ or ic champ meant a whole lot. The tag titles back then drew more money than the smackdown world title today so it isnt easy to compare eras.
Lengthy title reigns used to be synonymous with the value of the title. Therefore, short reigns and playing hot potato with the belt constantly putting it on different guys devalues the title. Randy Orton's 1 IC title reign was still a lot longer than Jericho's 5 IC reigns in his first 12 years. Orton held the IC title back in 2003 before it lost most of its prestige. The roster was still stacked in 2003.

My main point was that Jericho spent much of his career hanging around the mid-card and Orton has been at the main event level for most of his career. While Jericho may have more talent, Orton is probably the bigger star.
 
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