Punk is so good on the stick that sometimes he cuts epic promos even without the mic.
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Anybody else think CM Punk is pretty crap on the mic?
I mean, following Jericho's fantastic heel run, it's become a bit of an IWC cliché to label all articulate, methodical heel talkers as 'great mic workers'. My problem with Punk is that, unlike Jericho, his act is unconvincing and he can't seem to suppress his natural cocky, 'I'm better than you' attitude, and it leads to a mixed reaction in a lot of arenas. A good heel should be able to have (at the very least) a consistent ratio of 80%+ fans booing them out of the building. For example, I consider the Miz a far better mic worker than CM Punk as he actually does his job properly.
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Find it hard to accept your reason for him not being a great mic worker is he is one dimensional when you claim he is not in the same class as the Miz who is easily the most one dimensional heel in the WWE.Punk is not in the same class as the likes of Rock, Cena, Miz, HBK, Jericho etc..
Punk is one dimensional and pretty boring. I know that he's bit of an IWC darling but the truth he is really not that good.
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmaoBetter mic workers than Punk on Raw? From last night's episode alone, Miz, Undertaker, HBK, Santino, Michael Cole, John Cena, Triple H, and Vickie Guerero are all a class above Punk.
That is all. I'm not going to waste time arguing with you, you're wrong, and everyone but you knows it.
Miz has superb phrasing, something CM Punk lacks. Miz also spices up his promos by use of differing intonations, thus turning poorly written segments into must-see television by way of delivery. When I say Punk is one dimensional I'm talking about his delivery, for all we know he is forced to read his script verbatim and to say that he's one dimensional on the back of that (ex. you talking about Miz) is completely unjust, imo.Find it hard to accept your reason for him not being a great mic worker is he is one dimensional when you claim he is not in the same class as the Miz who is easily the most one dimensional heel in the WWE.
As far as I'm concerned, the only promo worker in history who has had the 'it' factor despite one dimensional delivery is Jake the Snake. And let's be honest here, Punk isn't even close to being a fraction of as good as Roberts is.
You are not going to bother responding because arguing against an obviously correct statement is a futile job. Punk isn't as good as any of those names I've listed, I'd love to hear who you believe Punk to be better than, though.:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao
That is all. I'm not going to waste time arguing with you, you're wrong, and everyone but you knows it.
im glad some of you arent in charge. If Punk was so crap or just average on the mic why would Vince and everyone else in Power have Punk on the mic so much. He was injured and he is so great on the mic they added him to commentary. And you cant compare Punk to Cena or The Rock or whatever because they all are different. U can compare Rock and Cena because they both like to get loud and make fun of there opponent and just ooze charisma at times. While Punk plays the methodical heel who isnt about yelling and trying to get the fans to cheer him. Punk is the best on the mic in the WWE right now. If Rock is there permanently then id say Punk is number 2. I think ppl just hate Punk cuz so many ppl like him or in some cases worship him. I mean the guy is the whole package and there isnt 5 ppl in WWE right now who are the whole package. You got ADR and Cena is close id say Jericho but he isnt in WWE as of right now.
Yes i do.
in the end anyone talk bad about him will be branded as trolls and the posts against him will be categorized under flaming.
in the end anyone talk bad about him will be branded as trolls and the posts against him will be categorized under flaming.
Punk is phenomenal, I don't know what you people are talking about.
And I find it really funny that you're comparing him to Jericho, who at the same age as Punk was cutting some of the goofiest and most ridiculous promos I've ever seen (sure they were enjoyable, but they were really, really dumb).
Punk's mic work is always fascinating to me, but his recent work has digressed because:
A) Unmotivated by a crappy feud with Randy Orton, who's done nothing to get this feud over and has no sold almost every single thing Punk has done.
B) The crappy character he's been sidled with, Punk does well when his character is passionate and over the top, his current heel character is about as boring as one can get (oooh hurting a guy before a match that's never been done before), he doesn't have the unsettling demagoguery of his Straight Edge Messiah/Nexus Leader gimmicks, or the smug self-righteousness of his Jeff Hardy feud. Some wrestlers can play a cold manipulator, Punk needs to be more emotional.
C) Randy Orton is so untalented he can make other people suck on the mic.
And I find it really funny that you're comparing him to Jericho, who at the same age as Punk was cutting some of the goofiest and most ridiculous promos I've ever seen (sure they were enjoyable, but they were really, really dumb).
Punk's mic work is always fascinating to me, but his recent work has digressed because:
A) Unmotivated by a crappy feud with Randy Orton, who's done nothing to get this feud over and has no sold almost every single thing Punk has done.
B) The crappy character he's been sidled with, Punk does well when his character is passionate and over the top, his current heel character is about as boring as one can get (oooh hurting a guy before a match that's never been done before), he doesn't have the unsettling demagoguery of his Straight Edge Messiah/Nexus Leader gimmicks, or the smug self-righteousness of his Jeff Hardy feud. Some wrestlers can play a cold manipulator, Punk needs to be more emotional.
C) Randy Orton is so untalented he can make other people suck on the mic.
Aha, you realise that Punk is told what to say, right?Punk is phenomenal, I don't know what you people are talking about.
And I find it really funny that you're comparing him to Jericho, who at the same age as Punk was cutting some of the goofiest and most ridiculous promos I've ever seen (sure they were enjoyable, but they were really, really dumb).
Punk has never produced a promo as good as Jericho's 'Man of 1004 holds', and never will. He simply does not have it in him. Jericho was younger when he made that promo than Punk is now.
The WWE has given him this character because the only kind of heel he can really play is a smug, monotonous one. Jericho can do anything, and has always been able to. Also, keep in mind this is coming from somebody who is by no means a Jericho fan.
I sense a fail. To say Punk sucks on the mic is like saying triple h can`t wrestle. The guy has it, either your deaf or your trolling bro, of course this is just my opinion, but i`m sure i`ll get backed up on this.
Last night didn't count for him since it was a home town crowd.
And with Punk, his cocky "holier than thou" attitude is one of the things that makes him great on the mic!
And with Punk, his cocky "holier than thou" attitude is one of the things that makes him great on the mic!
He's definetly a good worker and good on the mic, but he is over rated as hell on this site. I'm a fan of his work and even bought his shirt. The only shirt I've bought since the hardy boyz in 2000. How many 5 star matches or classic promos has he had in the WWE?
Nobody has to like Punk or think he's the greatest gift to humankind, but...come on. Crappy on the mic? I'd say anyone who thinks Punk is crap on the stick has their promo priorities severely misplaced. If you don't like Punk, I'm not sure who you really can like.
Man Of 1004 Holds? It's a funny promo, but it's by no means one of Jericho's best, let alone a yardstick. It's a list of moves, I still laugh when I hear 'armbar!' but that doesn't make it a Cane Dewey/Anti-Hardcore level of mic work.Aha, you realise that Punk is told what to say, right?
Punk has never produced a promo as good as Jericho's 'Man of 1004 holds', and never will. He simply does not have it in him. Jericho was younger when he made that promo than Punk is now.
The WWE has given him this character because the only kind of heel he can really play is a smug, monotonous one. Jericho can do anything, and has always been able to. Also, keep in mind this is coming from somebody who is by no means a Jericho fan.
Both the Straight Edge promo from the Raven feud and the ROH heel turn 'snake' promo are vastly superior to that Jericho example, IMO.
As far as the example about Jericho's latest heel run in your original post, you're just talking shit there, I'm afraid. Punk's been widely accepted as one of the better mic workers in the business for a long time, and certainly by fans of indy wrestling long before Jericho returned to the WWE. Hell, I used to tape trade, and I once got sent a VHS of bad recordings of his promos in IWA:MS, must have been 2002, 2003? A good 4 years before Jericho's return.
You may not like Punk's mic work, that's fine, it's a valid opinion, but you seem wildly uneducated on some points. You say his smug, self righteous persona is all he can do, but there's a lot of people that prefer him as a more unhinged, cult leader-type of character, he plays sinister very well.
His actual delivery of the material in whichever style he uses, even his face work on the indy circuit, is some of the best I've seen in recent years. Of course he's no Foley, no Roberts, no Piper, no Flair, but who the fuck is?
See, to me, that's exactly the way you want someone to deliver a promo- intensity, puts over their opponents strengths while also putting over their own, building up the match as something that matters, a clear delivery without unecessary pauses for thinking or stumbling over the words, and a catchphrase to end it (although they couldn't have dropped the 'you got Punked' thing quickly enough for me). He's not playing a smug, I'm better than you heel there, either.
I know it's the new cool thing around here to hate on Punk and be different and blah blah blah. But you've got to be kidding.
Some people on here are real idiots. He already said he's not basing this based off last night!! Rewatch Elimination Chamber plz. I'm refraining from the caps button right now.
Nah. He's far from "crappy". He's pretty damn good actually. He's one of the few things that I find entertaining about WWE at the moment.
That being said, I don't see him as the be all and end all like his worshipers do.
That being said, I don't see him as the be all and end all like his worshipers do.
Is this thread a joke? So you don't get why Punk is so good on the mic - that's your misfortune. I'm afraid.
Now I know this thread is a joke...Better mic workers than Punk on Raw? From last night's episode alone, Miz, Undertaker, HBK, Santino, Michael Cole, John Cena, Triple H, and Vickie Guerero are all a class above Punk.
Ahh, now I know why you don't get it.Keep up, I've already said I'm not basing it on last night.
Don't get me wrong, Punk isn't awful on the mic like John Morrison or Daniel Bryan. He's about as good as Randy Orton. What annoys me is the absolute arse creaming he gets on this forum (most of the internet, actually). A lot of people genuinely believe Punk to be in the same class as the likes of Cena, HBK, Rock or, and this is a comparison I've heard a lot, Jake Roberts. Do you realise how ridiculous those comparisons are to a person who isn't blinded by some false loyalty to a wrestler they watched mature in the indies? If Punk had been a regular joe called up from FCW I almost certainly wouldn't even feel the need to make a topic like this. People overate CM Punk like no other.
He's not talking SENSE, he's talking rubbish.Finally somebody with some since. I wouldn't say he is crap on the mic but he is nowhere near as good as people make him out to be. His voice just seems too bland for me too actually be entertained by what he is saying. He isn't crap but I don't think he is that far above average.
i like the way he says Bus like Buass but no he's one of the best mic workers the wwe has right now...
Yeah far be it for someone to have their own personal opinion about something.Is this thread a joke? So you don't get why Punk is so good on the mic - that's your misfortune. I'm afraid.
Now I know this thread is a joke...
Ahh, now I know why you don't get it.
He's not talking SENSE, he's talking rubbish.
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