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https://nypost.com/2019/02/14/amazon-pulls-out-of-3-billion-deal-to-bring-hq2-to-queens/

Amazon said Thursday it was bailing on locating its new campus in Queens, dealing a devastating blow to Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio and costing the region up to 25,000 high-paying jobs.

“After much thought and deliberation, we’ve decided not to move forward with our plans to build a headquarters for Amazon in Long Island City, Queens,” the online retail giant said in a statement that cited local opposition to the massive, heavily subsidized project.

“For Amazon, the commitment to build a new headquarters requires positive, collaborative relationships with state and local elected officials who will be supportive over the long-term,” the company said.

“While polls show that 70 percent of New Yorkers support our plans and investment, a number of state and local politicians have made it clear that they oppose our presence and will not work with us to build the type of relationships that are required to go forward with the project we and many others envisioned in Long Island City.”
EDIT - Response from Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez:

 

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In fairly related news, after doubling the company's profits, making over $11 billion in fiscal year 2018 according to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy's statement, Amazon will evidently pay nothing in federal income taxes. Amazon is repeating the policy from fiscal year 2017 and claiming the tax rate of almost $130 million, so it is actually a tax rate of -1% they will be paying.

Read that the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez tweet hit 10,000 likes in twenty minutes. :lol
 

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Interesting that AOC only chose to blame Amazon and Jeff Bezos... and not the democratic officials that put this plan into motion.
To be fair, though, this is one of the major reasons she is sensationally popular. She mirrors Donald Trump, it is simply that they are approaching the same matters from opposite post-nineteenth century ideological afterbirths in how Westerners view the dynamic between what is called "capitalism" and "socialism," no matter how mistakenly in each instance for many. For instance, by contrast: While the conclusions reached by Wilhelm Röpke are not by any means necessarily uniformly excellent his economic grasping of how those popular terms came to be, most persuasively in his The Social Crisis of Our Times and his later The Moral Foundations of a Civil Society. Röpke differed from most economists in often detouring himself toward matters of morality and ethics--a thoroughly questionable move for the standard economist, whose discipline is best comprehended apart from ethical considerations. (This is why economists establishing laws for a society is as a general rule a poor idea.) Since the majority of economists tend to deny human frailty as an existing condition, and have difficult accepting that at the very least a significant portion of the population of humans behave in something approximating a thoroughly arbitrary manner, their recipes for success can be riddled with particular flaws. At the least, though, Röpke in his economic analysis is fecund. He recalls Samuel Johnson, who was only a marginally above-average journalist--and perhaps only average--but whose philosophical essays were, while arguably borderline inscrutable at times separately, cohered to engender a formidable moral stance and outlook with which to wrestle. Leo Strauss, frequently described as a sort of twentieth century neoconservative godfather, was at the very least a highly intelligent man whose recognition of Edmund Burke as the final superlative iteration of natural law thinkers suggests that Strauss's modest influence on how Röpke toned his economic theory to buttress an ethical civil order rather than the other way around was a net positive. Although Röpke's treatises delving into the ethical realm seem to stand out against, say, F.A. Hayek's--which, for their certain inarguable points pertaining to the swelling modern nation-state of which Nietzsche wrote, tend to suffer from an insistence on the hyperbolic--as well as thrive apart from Strauss's propositions. When one reads Röpke one hears a faint echoing of Burke's leaning on the language of St. Thomas Aquinas (granted, it is typically when Reflections is read and excerpted strictly piecemeal that Burke sounds like he is directly promoting a Thomist philosophical reckoning of everyday life) and Richard Hooker, though admittedly through a twentieth century economics-based lens.

After all. one of the only men who called themselves "conservative" since World War II not named Richard Weaver demanding certain respect, Russell Kirk, quoted Röpke liberally in myriad essays, and continually made the point that a large number of the most vociferous supporters of what they called capitalism had ostensibly forgotten or were callous toward the point that the term was coined by Karl Marx, who established capitalism as what Kirk said repeatedly, a "theoretical concept."

Circling back to the presently inescapable Trump comparison for Ocasio-Cortez, he was a celebrity real estate mogul who boasted at Republican presidential candidates' the debates that he had bribed most of the politicians standing on the stage with him. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a lady still not out of her twenties who was a bartender (that is no knock, by the way: it throws some favorable ingredients into the stew of who she is publicly) voicing the general public's conviction that the same politicians bribed by Trump for decades are also bought and sold by the largest corporate entities and richest individuals such as Amazon owner Jeff Bezos.

It is humorous how so many people calling themselves conservatives say that they do not understand Ocasio-Cortez's popularity. It is genuinely becoming reminiscent of how those who stated that they were lefties and dismissed Trump as someone who was never a threat to become president refused to acknowledge the prevailing political conditions.

Trump was verbally blunter and more confrontational with almost everyone. However, Ocasio-Cortez has situated herself as The New Generation of Democrat, who sees the establishment guard of her own party exemplified by the Clintons, for instance, as insupportable. Now, she is also a former intern and has had connections with the mouth of the beast in Washington, D.C., hence her obsequious twitter condolences on behalf of John McCain months ago:
...As an intern, I learned a lot about the power of humanity in government through his deep friendship with Sen. Kennedy,” Ocasio-Cortez wrote. “He meant so much, to so many. My prayers are with his family.”
"Learn[ing] a lot about the power of humanity in government through [Sen. John McCain's] deep friendship with Sen. Kennedy," is a terrifying statement given the track records of both men as U.S. Senators, but it is probably best for everyone to have tempered expectations for any political ascending star.

Having said that, unless some crippling scandal emerges, Ocasio-Cortez is on a near-perfect trajectory to become the youngest U.S. President ever. What is called "socialism" is exceedingly popular with the majority of voters born since the mid-1980s in the U.S. now, and she is the first sitting U.S. politician to become a talking point across the country since Barack Obama in the mid-2000s. The fact that she is too young to run now is probably a blessing in disguise. By 2028 several states which have been ruby-red in the recent past will be regal purple, much as Virginia became a battleground state around the time of Obama's rising soufflé due to ineluctable demographic trends from legal immigration into the area just south of Washington, D.C. during the George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush presidencies. You never know what may happen in the future but it seems favorable for her at this juncture.
 

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Independent of what Cortez thinks about Amazon and Bezos personally (and I get the lack of tax they do pay is definitely an issue), I really don't understand celebrating this like it's some grand achievement, since you're also losing tens thousands of jobs with this decision as well. Guess she's just appealing to those who think these massive companies and ultra rich like Bezos are evil or something.
 

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Independent of what Cortez thinks about Amazon and Bezos personally (and I get the lack of tax they do pay is definitely an issue), I really don't understand celebrating this like it's some grand achievement, since you're also losing tens thousands of jobs with this decision as well. Guess she's just appealing to those who think these massive companies and ultra rich like Bezos are evil or something.
I do not get celebrating losing 25,000 high paying jobs, which will be taxed. Also do not forget all the subcontractors / vendors/ etc. that will have to help build that facility which could of been taxed as well.

All of these big corporations are trying to get a tax break to move to whatever location. I remember years ago when Boeing was expanding. Where I live offered them a sweetheart of a deal to come here and they did. Brought a lot of jobs to the area. I would not call them high paying jobs though as I was offered a job and just laughed at the amount.
 

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Having said that, unless some crippling scandal emerges, Ocasio-Cortez is on a near-perfect trajectory to become the youngest U.S. President ever. What is called "socialism" is exceedingly popular with the majority of voters born since the mid-1980s in the U.S. now, and she is the first sitting U.S. politician to become a talking point across the country since Barack Obama in the mid-2000s. The fact that she is too young to run now is probably a blessing in disguise. By 2028 several states which have been ruby-red in the recent past will be regal purple, much as Virginia became a battleground state around the time of Obama's rising soufflé due to ineluctable demographic trends from legal immigration into the area just south of Washington, D.C. during the George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush presidencies. You never know what may happen in the future but it seems favorable for her at this juncture.
AOC's opposition would be like nothing we've sever seen before, which is why in the end i don't forsee it happening.

there's a vast, VAST portion of the population that simply would not stand for socialism. there would be a civil war / riot before that had any chance of realistically happening.
 

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good fucking riddance. it's about time folk started fighting back against corporate welfare queens. bezos, richest man on earth, refused to negotiate a fairer deal, so he deserves nothing. where are those 3 billion dollar subsidies for small businesses?

this has nothing to do with aoc. all she did was put out a few tweets. this is the work of local workers and unions collectively organizing and telling the plutocracy to fuck off.
 

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good fucking riddance. it's about time folk started fighting back against corporate welfare queens. bezos, richest man on earth, refused to negotiate a fairer deal, so he deserves nothing. where are those 3 billion dollar subsidies for small businesses?

this has nothing to do with aoc. all she did was put out a few tweets. this is the work of local workers and unions collectively organizing and telling the plutocracy to fuck off.
Then congrats to those idiots chasing of tens of thousands of jobs. Keep fighting “the man” into the unemployment line.
 

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So much retardation on display

Amazon will just go elsewhere, setback for them, but a disaster for NY and the 25000

Globalisation and the free market means that large businesses will leverage their competitive advantage to get theirs, regardless of what unions or politicians try to do

Well played democrats, well played unions
 

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Looking more in to this it sounds similar to the issue in Manchester where the BBC and ITV came in and shot prices up for all locals. I can see the issue a bit more now.
 

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So Ds are back to hating Amazon and Rs are back to liking them. It's switched back and forth a few times, so it's hard to keep track at this point.

Is funny since Trump in November didn't seem to act like it was a great deal for NYC

https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/14/trump-gives-amazon-credit/

...“I think they’re paying a very big price,” Trump said of Arlington and New York City’s decision, but added, “It was a competition. I know all about those competitions. I’ve been in those competitions — a lot of cities were competing for it. They took the best deals, you know?”

The president continued on both cities decisions, saying, “They’re giving up a lot; they’re expensive deals. Only time will tell. Maybe Amazon will have massive competition and they won’t be the same company in five years in which case it would be a big mistake.”

Trump said of Amazon’s online e-commerce business, “I think it’s going to be a very competitive business someday.”

When asked whether he continues to believe Amazon was taking advantage of the U.S. postal system, Trump replied, “I think they’re getting the bargain of the century, I think that’s why I’ve asked for a review of [Amazon’s impact on the U.S. postal system].”

The president stressed that it wasn’t just Amazon he believed was taking advantage of the postal system, saying, “There are classes of companies that are getting the bargain.”
 

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So Ds are back to hating Amazon and Rs are back to liking them. It's switched back and forth a few times, so it's hard to keep track at this point.

Is funny since Trump in November didn't seem to act like it was a great deal for NYC

https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/14/trump-gives-amazon-credit/

...“I think they’re paying a very big price,” Trump said of Arlington and New York City’s decision, but added, “It was a competition. I know all about those competitions. I’ve been in those competitions — a lot of cities were competing for it. They took the best deals, you know?”

The president continued on both cities decisions, saying, “They’re giving up a lot; they’re expensive deals. Only time will tell. Maybe Amazon will have massive competition and they won’t be the same company in five years in which case it would be a big mistake.”

Trump said of Amazon’s online e-commerce business, “I think it’s going to be a very competitive business someday.”

When asked whether he continues to believe Amazon was taking advantage of the U.S. postal system, Trump replied, “I think they’re getting the bargain of the century, I think that’s why I’ve asked for a review of [Amazon’s impact on the U.S. postal system].”

The president stressed that it wasn’t just Amazon he believed was taking advantage of the postal system, saying, “There are classes of companies that are getting the bargain.”
The usual schizophrenic nature of politics.
 

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Is it true when companies build headquarters in new cities, they don't hire people who actually live in those cities but they instead bring in employees from somewhere else?
This happened with the BBC in Manchester.
 

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Is it true when companies build headquarters in new cities, they don't hire people who actually live in those cities but they instead bring in employees from somewhere else?
Our tech companies don't even hire people from the same country, let alone people in the same area. :laugh:
 
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