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Re: **All Smackdown TV Ratings, Buys, Draw Talk Here** - THE BLUE BRAND RATINGS WAR

TBF this show was hyped up for weeks with the possibilities of surprises/debuts/returns. That's not a "great" number.
by who? wrestlezone, meltzzer, dirt sheets r us?

WWE never once said anyone would return or advertised anyone for the draft. They never even released details of the selection process. They always said they would detail it on their site. They told you who was eligible, who was ineligible, who could be grouped into a signle pick, round structure, and nxt pick allotment slots. They never once misled or under delivered.

But I know you read about RVD, Dreamer, Carlito, new intros, ropes, stages, etc ... Yet you ignore WWE themselves saying the changes won't take place to the Monday following Battleground which was the last time they would all be together as a whole roster. You ignore Renee, Lita, Booker, and Graves announcing last night that they were told the two brands after battleground will only come together 4 times a year. You ignore that it was confirmed by Shane/Bryan on the network Raw has the tag and womens title exclusively for themsleves but they have the WWE and IC titles basically implying they will all need to make their own and the champs won't be crossing shows like Alvarez and Meltzer said before thus keeping a hard split.
 

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It'll tank again next week, so what the fuck does it matter?
 

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I am not going to put up with us losing to Raw.

I want each and everyone of you to read this and get ready for SD. Just 5 more days away. Mark out again like we are school kids ready for WCW vs WWF in the mid 90's.

I want higher ratings, lets get this thing to 3.0 again.
 

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I am not going to put up with us losing to Raw.

I want each and everyone of you to read this and get ready for SD. Just 5 more days away. Mark out again like we are school kids ready for WCW vs WWF in the mid 90's.

I want higher ratings, lets get this thing to 3.0 again.
"Us"?

Lord, this is already starting to get cringeworthy as fuck :chan
 

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That's a fucking fantastic bump for SD, I don't know what the hell some of you are talking about. What did you expect? A gain of 3 million new viewers or something? SD's ratings have been beneath the toilet for a very long time. If they can keep a good amount of that audience they're sitting pretty good. A lot better than RAW, since SD will be the much more accessible show at 2 hrs.
 

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They need to make sure they doing some new and innovative next week. The format of the show cannot be the same as RAW. If they really want to push SD as a "wrestling show" they should probably start a tournament next week to crown the new Tag Team Champions or the new #1 Contender's for the tag team titles. If they have a shortage of tag teams they can just pair guys up.

Tag Teams to use in a tournament:

1 American Alpha
2 The Usos
3 The Ascension
4 Breezango
5 The Vaudevillains
6 The Hype Bros
7 Kalisto and Apollo Crews
8 Bray Wyatt and Erick Rowan
 

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Oh crap, wrestler marking is now gonna lead to brand marking. These threads are gonna be even more of a shit show. :lol

I think that Smackdown will end up around 2.5 million, give or take. I think that anything above 2.6 million would be surprising and a good sign.

I don't think that RAW will fall too much from around 3 million. People are programmed to watch that, it has the feeling of far more gravitas (and will probably be treated as such), and that's where all the really important stuff still happens.

I just don't buy that a lot of fans are gonna switch from there, because I feel what's left is pretty much hardcore fans anyway. Yeah, you have people saying "I'll only watch Smackdown now" but I'm not buying that the reality of that is really plentiful.

At the same time, 5 hours of television in a row is a lot, so I can only see the hardest of the hardcore sticking around for the next night. That's why I think there will be at least a 400,000 or 500,000 difference.

Another thing is that surprisingly, NXT wasn't at the top of the most watched network programs, meanwhile stuff like Swerved was, so that tells me that a show run more like NXT (which I think Smackdown will be) will not necessarily be something that the WWE fans will feel is necessary to watch.


SD has no excuse not to be beating Raw when Football starts, I agree with that. Between NFL games and having that 3rd hour, there is no reason for SD to not be beating Raw from September to December. THAT would be a major disappointment for SD if they aren't, at least, IMO. Just because the NFL is a monster, as we all know.
How can you say that, though, when you yourself said that Smackdown got MURDERED in the draft?

I just realized that if Dean loses on Sunday, 4 of the 5 champions will be on RAW.

It drives home the point even more that Smackdown is the B show. Viewers take cues from that.
 

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Oh crap, wrestler marking is now gonna lead to brand marking. These threads are gonna be even more of a shit show. :lol

I think that Smackdown will end up around 2.5 million, give or take. I think that anything above 2.6 million would be surprising and a good sign.

I don't think that RAW will fall too much from around 3 million. People are programmed to watch that, it has the feeling of far more gravitas (and will probably be treated as such), and that's where all the really important stuff still happens.

I just don't buy that a lot of fans are gonna switch from there, because I feel what's left is pretty much hardcore fans anyway. Yeah, you have people saying "I'll only watch Smackdown now" but I'm not buying that the reality of that is really plentiful.

At the same time, 5 hours of television in a row is a lot, so I can only see the hardest of the hardcore sticking around for the next night. That's why I think there will be at least a 400,000 or 500,000 difference.

Another thing is that surprisingly, NXT wasn't at the top of the most watched network programs, meanwhile stuff like Swerved was, so that tells me that a show run more NXT like (which I think Smackdown will be) will not necessarily be something that the WWE fans will feel is necessary to watch.



How can you say that, though, when you yourself said that Smackdown got MURDERED in the draft?

I just realized that if Dean loses on Sunday, 4 of the 5 champions will be on RAW.

It drives home the point even more that Smackdown is the B show. Viewers take cues from what
Because the NFL is a ratings monster. They're going to destroy WWE with or without a brand split. Probably even more-so with the brand split and SD won't have to contend with the NFL, since they moved it from Thursday night (which there are also NFL games played on) to Tuesday.
 

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Because the NFL is a ratings monster. They're going to destroy WWE with or without a brand split. Probably even more-so with the brand split and SD won't have to contend with the NFL, since they moved it from Thursday night (which there are also NFL games played on) to Tuesday.
But Smackdown did worse than on Friday nights, which is the absolute worst night for tv outside of Saturdays.

I agree that the brand split hurts the depth, which is why it's probably a lousy idea, but that hurts Smackdown just as well.

Raw has football to contend with, and Smackdown has the weaker roster + B show perception to deal with. I don't know if the former is a more valid excuse.
 

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But Smackdown did worse than on Friday nights, which is the absolute worst night for tv outside of Saturdays.

I agree that the brand split hurts the depth, which is why it's probably a lousy idea, but that hurts Smackdown just as well.

Raw has football to contend with, and Smackdown has the weaker roster + B show perception to deal with. I don't know if the former is a more valid excuse.
I don't know...it's the NFL. They obliterate the WWE every year, and more and more seemingly every year. Raw also has 3 hours to contend and that 3rd hour always hurts their overall number, too.

Both shows have their issues, though. If I was Vince, I would always be more and more fearful every Fall due to the NFL. It's just such a ratings beast, it's crazy.
 

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I don't know...it's the NFL. They obliterate the WWE every year, and more and more seemingly every year. Raw also has 3 hours to contend and that 3rd hour always hurts their overall number, too.

Both shows have their issues, though. If I was Vince, I would always be more and more fearful every Fall due to the NFL. It's just such a ratings beast, it's crazy.
I personally believe that it's harder to build something than to maintain it.

RAW does at worst, what, 2.9 million around football time? Smackdown is starting from around 2.1 million. It's pretty unrealistic to expect paths to cross when those numbers are starting so differently, IMO. Especially because Vince's heart is pretty clearly with RAW, as are pretty much all of his favorites. The latter reflects the importance & resources he places on RAW.
 

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I personally believe that it's harder to build something than to maintain it.

RAW does at worst, what, 2.9 million around football time? Smackdown is starting from around 2.1 million. It's pretty unrealistic to expect paths to cross when those numbers are starting so differently, IMO. Especially because Vince's heart is pretty clearly with RAW, as are pretty much all of his favorites. The latter reflects the importance & resources he places on RAW.
The thing is, ever since late 2015, with even a full roster, the 3rd hour of Raw has hit 2.9 (and even lower) multiple times, without even contending with the NFL. It's only going to get worse once football season starts.
 

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For a show that the actual draft took place on, AND had Raw guys (the entire WWE roster) on it, that is a ghastly number. No competition, no 3rd hour to drag them down. Scary bad number.

People feel SD got raped because Cena and Orton are stale and haven't drawn anything on TV in years. And outside of that their next two biggest names are Dean Ambrose and AJ Styles..
1. Damn dude, you're acting as if Smackdown got a 1.5 in the ratings or something. This is a good start. It's not anything terrific, but it's something to move with going forward. And I would consider the RNC to be competition but that's just me.

2. Who the hell said Smackdown got raped in the draft? I honestly think they got the better overall roster despite it being smaller.
 

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1. Damn dude, you're acting as if Smackdown got a 1.5 in the ratings or something. This is a good start. It's not anything terrific, but it's something to move with going forward. And I would consider the RNC to be competition but that's just me.

2. Who the hell said Smackdown got raped in the draft? I honestly think they got the better overall roster despite it being smaller.
It was alright. Should've been alot better with the draft taking place, though.

Everywhere I'v seen, podcasts, sites, etc. But it is to be expected that a show with 3 hours is deeper.
 

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It was alright. Should've been alot better with the draft taking place, though.

Everywhere I'v seen, podcasts, sites, etc. But it is to be expected that a show with 3 hours is deeper.
Lets get real here. If they actually book Smackdown well, it will be the #1 show. They have the bigger stars and only have 2 hours, meaning less filler crap between the important stuff. They could realistically have 3 top feuds going on plus tag matches and a few womens feuds.
 

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I personally believe that it's harder to build something than to maintain it.

RAW does at worst, what, 2.9 million around football time? Smackdown is starting from around 2.1 million. It's pretty unrealistic to expect paths to cross when those numbers are starting so differently, IMO. Especially because Vince's heart is pretty clearly with RAW, as are pretty much all of his favorites. The latter reflects the importance & resources he places on RAW.
Raw did 2.9 million at worst around football time, but we'll see how they do as soon as MNF comes back in 2016. If they're hovering around 3 million before football, if a dip kicks in, their ceiling could be the 2.6 million they did on July 4th.

We're going to find out in the coming month or two how the shows will be quality-wise.

I don't know about Raw for the immediate future. I know I'm not personally excited to see Reigns vs Rollins as the main feud for another month and I think it's past its peak, assuming that's the SummerSlam match. Raw also doesn't have Cena, Orton, or Styles now. Brock may have a bit of an influence going into SummerSlam, mostly because of his recent controversy, but I doubt he sticks around into September.

Raw has a stronger midcard and more variety, but without a strong A-story, the stakes will be lower. I can't think of a wrestling promotion that's ever thrived with a strong midcard and a tame main event scene.

With that said, 3.0 million people is considered a bump for Smackdown. That likely goes away in the next month.
 

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Lets get real here. If they actually book Smackdown well, it will be the #1 show. They have the bigger stars and only have 2 hours, meaning less filler crap between the important stuff. They could realistically have 3 top feuds going on plus tag matches and a few womens feuds.
There top guys are Cena, Orton (most stale guys in the company by miles), AJ, and Dean? That's a weak as fuck main event. The mid card is even worse. They are paper thin in both main event and especially the mid card level. The only thing that hurts Raw is the third hour, bro. Top guys that are much younger, the entire cruiserweight division, best tag teams (Enzo/Cass, New Day, Club) best women (Sasha & Charlotte). But whatever. I'm not going to get into mark wars for the same freaking company :lol You're all about it, go for it. I'm not doing it. I'm happy with Raw outside of the 3rd hour.
 

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There top guys are Cena, Orton (most stale guys in the company by miles), AJ, and Dean? That's a weak as fuck main event. The mid card is even worse. The only thing that hurts Raw is the third hour, bro. Top guys that are much younger, the entire cruiserweight division, best tag teams (Enzo/Cass, New Day, Club) best women (Sasha & Charlotte). But whatever. I'm not going to get into mark wars for the same freaking company :lol You're all about it, go for it. I'm not doing it. I'm happy with Raw outside of the 3rd hour.
Oh the irony.

Cena and Orton are bigger stars than Roman or Seth will ever be.

AJ is the best wrestler on the planet and can put on a show in the ring.

As much as I don't like Ambrose, he still has a pretty strong fan base which will help get more eyes on Smackdown.

Bray finally has a chance of winning the title and could do great things with it, as he would finally be able to deliver on his words, finally allowing for character progression.

Miz is the best pure heel in the WWE and can even have a great run with the WWE title.

Best tag teams? LOL Smackdown has the best tag team in the WWE right now and could easily hit gold with The Revival moving to Smackdown. What the division lacks is competition, that can be easily corrected with a few credible tag teams being added to the division. If I were to choose AA or a strong tag division, I would take AA in a heartbeat. Jordan and Gable are destined for singles success, they could be the big #1 and #2 they've been looking for since Cena, Batisa and Orton.

As for the Women's division, SD is a hell of a lot fresher and more interesting than the women's version of Seth-Roman they have going on. All they really need is Bayley to put it clear ahead.

The only aspect Raw beats SD is the midcard. Even then, those guys have faced each so many times already that their encounters have no meaning (Owens-Cesaro, Zayn-Owens, etc.)
 
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