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That's a good number, tbf.

If anyone else consistantly put on shit show after shit show, whilst simultaneously making it clear that they think their own fans are idiots for liking this shit, I don't think they'd still have two million viewers.

WWE's fans (what's left of them) are like a neglected dog. Sure, the owner doesn't give a fuck about you, but you still love them. For some reason.
 

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It's amazing. I can tell how much this eats you up inside.

Seth Floppins really did a number on you. This is what happens when you get so attached to failures.
Are you seriously trying to bait @Showstopper by pretending like his favorite is a "failure" (while repeating that to him on every post despite the fact that Seth Rollins is thriving with his new Messiah character), and are you seriously THIS stupid enough to STILL believe that any of the current talents are "tanking" the ratings? :LOL:

We're nearly 5 months removed from Seth Rollins losing the Universal title, and the ratings are STILL decreasing. He's neither the top babyface nor the top heel of the show now too.

BOTH of our world champions are part-timers, but yet the ratings are STILL terrible despite the fact that they are big stars who are supposed to be bringing back the casual audience apparently.

The biggest/hottest storyline on the show is Edge vs Randy Orton, but yet we've STILL reached the point where the third hour sunk below 2 million viewers (while the latter just happened to be featured in it).

Up until they started hosting empty arenas at the Performance Center, the Raw shows have mostly been solid/good since December. Plus, they've been either pushing fresher wrestlers or focusing on newer stars by giving them TV time like Drew McIntyre, Shayna Baszler, Aleister Black, Andrade, Angel Garza, Murphy, AOP, and the Street Profits; but none of this is STILL enough to prevent the viewership from declining even further.

This is without mentioning the fact that several MILLIONS of people are now stuck at home because of the outbreak with the Coronavirus, which pretty much tells you that most of those folks aren't even interested enough to watch WWE (which includes both Raw and Smackdown).

This is exactly what happens when you have a company that either pissed off their audience or lured millions of fans away by writing many mediocre shows over the past several years, cooling off dozens of wrestlers who were really over with the crowds in recent years, taking too long to finally push most of the fan favorites (which they finally did last year with Seth Rollins, Becky Lynch, Kofi Kingson, etc.) after investing so much on a rejected top babyface in previous years without changing his character, relying on the part-timers for the better part of the past decade, making plenty of terrible booking decisions, failing to write good storylines, and failing to improve the product of BOTH shows on a weekly basis over a several-month span (since winning back the lost audience WILL be a long-term process).

NONE of the individual talents are to blame since the ratings are out of their control at this point. It does NOT matter who they push at this point since you'll just see the same disappointing results in the end (outside of a short bump that'll inevitably return back to the mediocre status-quo with the low ratings). It's NOT an issue regarding the individual talents. This is a company-related problem (which SHOULD be obvious by now since bringing back the likes of Steve Austin, Goldberg, Undertaker, and Edge didn't really do anything to save the ratings) that needs a better creative direction with good booking decisions for the long-term.

Instead of continuing to be one of those delusional folks (who hopelessly blame the individual wrestlers for the low ratings in 2020) that keeps blaming the low numbers on Drew McIntyre and Seth Rollins while pretending like it's their fault, how about you actually wake the fuck up? This is on Vince's wrongdoings and on the poor management of this company.

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For the record, your nicknames (which is based on you pretending like guys like Seth Rollins "tanked" the ratings) aren't funny. They just make you sound desperate and pathetic.
 

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Fucking lol.

I called it. I said this year they could hit around 2 million during Mania season. And this ain't because of the pandemic. The writing was on the wall for weeks. I said it before, this was the first year ever that Raw did not get a post-Rumble bump and the first time ever Raw ratings have declined during Mania season compared to before.

They deserve it. This is what you get for putting a bland ass superstar like Drew in your top angle. How the fuck do you pick someone even worse than Rollins a year after Rollins helped tank the ratings in the first place?

They just made one stupid move after another.
I've been reading this identical post for like a decade. Take the current champion, the TV ratings go down, call them a failure compared to the last guy that got pushed. The ratings have been on a steady decline for like 18 years now.
 

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Are you seriously trying to bait @Showstopper by pretending like his favorite is a "failure" (while repeating that to him on every post despite the fact that Seth Rollins is thriving with his new Messiah character), and are you seriously THIS stupid enough to STILL believe that any of the current talents are "tanking" the ratings? :LOL:

We're nearly 5 months removed from Seth Rollins losing the Universal title, and the ratings are STILL decreasing. He's neither the top babyface nor the top heel of the show now too.

BOTH of our world champions are part-timers, but yet the ratings are STILL terrible despite the fact that they are big stars who are supposed to be bringing back the casual audience apparently.

The biggest/hottest storyline on the show is Edge vs Randy Orton, but yet we've STILL reached the point where the third hour sunk below 2 million viewers (while the latter just happened to be featured in it).

Up until they started hosting empty arenas at the Performance Center, the Raw shows have mostly been solid/good since December. Plus, they've been either pushing fresher wrestlers or focusing on newer stars by giving them TV time like Drew McIntyre, Shayna Baszler, Aleister Black, Andrade, Angel Garza, Murphy, AOP, and the Street Profits; but none of this is STILL enough to prevent the viewership from declining even further.

This is without mentioning the fact that several MILLIONS of people are now stuck at home because of the outbreak with the Coronavirus, which pretty much tells you that most of those folks aren't even interested enough to watch WWE (which includes both Raw and Smackdown).

This is exactly what happens when you have a company that either pissed off their audience or lured millions of fans away by writing many mediocre shows over the past several years, cooling off dozens of wrestlers who were really over with the crowds in recent years, taking too long to finally push most of the fan favorites (which they finally did last year with Seth Rollins, Becky Lynch, Kofi Kingson, etc.) after investing so much on a rejected top babyface in previous years without changing his character, relying on the part-timers for the better part of the past decade, making plenty of terrible booking decisions, failing to write good storylines, and failing to improve the product of BOTH shows on a weekly basis over a several-month span (since winning back the lost audience WILL be a long-term process).

NONE of the individual talents are to blame since the ratings are out of their control at this point. It does NOT matter who they push at this point since you'll just see the same disappointing results in the end (outside of a short bump that'll inevitably return back to the mediocre status-quo with the low ratings). It's NOT an issue regarding the individual talents. This is a company-related problem (which SHOULD be obvious by now since bringing back the likes of Steve Austin, Goldberg, Undertaker, and Edge didn't really do anything to save the ratings) that needs a better creative direction with good booking decisions for the long-term.

Instead of continuing to be one of those delusional folks (who hopelessly blame the individual wrestlers for the low ratings in 2020) that keeps blaming the low numbers on Drew McIntyre and Seth Rollins while pretending like it's their fault, how about you actually wake the fuck up? This is on Vince's wrongdoings and on the poor management of this company.

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For the record, your nicknames (which is based on you pretending like guys like Seth Rollins "tanked" the ratings) aren't funny. They just make you sound desperate and pathetic.
Come on, no one is thriving.

I've been reading this identical post for like a decade. Take the current champion, the TV ratings go down, call them a failure compared to the last guy that got pushed. The ratings have been on a steady decline for like 18 years now.
To be fair, there have been certain champions who have fared better than others and there have been times when the ratings ticked up a bit. Some people on top hurt the product more than others.
 

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They made a few mistakes with Seth Rollins after his WM 35 win over Brock Lesnar:

1. What happened to the Open Challenges for the Universal Championship? Considering WWE's obsession with taking commercials for long matches, you would think they would have had many Seth title defenses on RAW. That was his biggest driving force in wanting to take the title off Brock.

2. Working with Becky Lynch. They made him look like a cuck. End of story.

3. Not keeping Roman Reigns on RAW. Seth's 2019 run after WM would've went a lot better if Reigns stayed on RAW. They should've kept Reigns on RAW until the debut on FOX. By that time fans had already cooled on Seth. If Reigns stayed on RAW during that duration (April 2019-Early October 2019) fans would've thought that Seth was just holding the Universal Championship to eventually drop it to Reigns.
 

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They made a few mistakes with Seth Rollins after his WM 35 win over Brock Lesnar:

1. What happened to the Open Challenges for the Universal Championship? Considering WWE's obsession with taking commercials for long matches, you would think they would have had many Seth title defenses on RAW. That was his biggest driving force in wanting to take the title off Brock.

2. Working with Becky Lynch. They made him look like a cuck. End of story.

3. Not keeping Roman Reigns on RAW. Seth's 2019 run after WM would've went a lot better if Reigns stayed on RAW. They should've kept Reigns on RAW until the debut on FOX. By that time fans had already cooled on Seth. If Reigns stayed on RAW during that duration (April 2019-Early October 2019) fans would've thought that Seth was just holding the Universal Championship to eventually drop it to Reigns.
Seperating Rollins and Reigns is the best thing that ever happened to Rollins. He now has the best character in the company, and is one of the few guys WITH an actual character.

Doing the open challenge people would've just complained that they have nothing more creative to do with their world champion. The Becky storyline was dumb, and having them work with Corbin and Lacey for so long in a pointless storyline was stupid. At least it wasn't as long or pointless as the Corbin/Reigns storyline though, woof. That might be the worst storyline in WWE history.
 

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I disagree. Keeping Reigns on RAW would've helped Rollins. They wouldn't have had to hit to the reset button and done Seth/Brock 2 at Summerslam. That would've been Seth vs. Reigns at Summerslam instead — with a cash in attempt from someone other than Brock OR Seth pinning Reigns clean.
 

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I've been reading this identical post for like a decade. Take the current champion, the TV ratings go down, call them a failure compared to the last guy that got pushed. The ratings have been on a steady decline for like 18 years now.
You're right, and it coincides with WWE having no competition, thus not giving a fuck about what the fans want.

Oh, you don't want HHH, Cena, Reigns, etc burying everyone in sight? Well, we don't give a fuck. With WCW gone we'll do as we please.

If WCW had never existed, Steve Austin would've never got his push as he wasn't a chosen one. On the opposite end, if WCW had maintained being a threat, the WWE wouldve never stuck with the likes of HHH, Cena, Reigns, Becky, being the faces of the company either as them being the focal point has killed off millions of fans.
 

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LMFAO.

2m, they are so fucked post WM.

Need to remember this is on the RTWM AND more people are watching TV, they have no competition.
The only thing WWE has going for post mania is no NBA playoffs to go against. But you said it, they have no competition (no other live sports on), and most of the country is being forced to stay in their homes where TV is the only thing to do, and they draw this type of rating. This is a catastrophicly bad rating. I dont think people understand how bad 2.00 mils is. What are they going to do during MNF? 1.5mils?
I've been reading this identical post for like a decade. Take the current champion, the TV ratings go down, call them a failure compared to the last guy that got pushed. The ratings have been on a steady decline for like 18 years now.
It’s not been a steady decline tho. It took off when Reigns was champion. Got a lot worse with Rollins. And is now accelerating downward .
 

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Regarding the ratings...

It really gets back to Eric Bischoff's philosophy for Nitro: SARSA

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TORYLINE
ANTICIPATION
REALITY
SURPRISE
ACTION

Let's go back over 10 years ago for a storyline WWE did the night after No Mercy 2007:

STORYLINE — Vince announces that the entire roster must shake the hand of the new WWE Champion, Randy Orton.
ANTICIPATION — The announcers (JR) continue to build up to this throughout the night
REALITY — They interview John Cena about his surgery; he says he will come face to face with Orton
SURPRISE — The return of Shawn Michaels in the final segment of the night
ACTION — HBK superkicks Orton to end the show
 

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Have you seen the state of the world the last few weeks? Rightly or wrongly people are worried and probably have the news on a lot of the time and the last thing they are thinking about is a wrestling show.

Secondly. Have you seen the state of the shows? Two hours of replays from matches years ago followed by black kicked some jobber in the face in an empty arena. Riveting tv. These are clearly not proper raws.

Surprised they are still doing 2 million. They wont be if this continues. The question is can they get the viewers back when things go back to normal?
 

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Regarding the ratings...

It really gets back to Eric Bischoff's philosophy for Nitro: SARSA

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TORYLINE
ANTICIPATION
REALITY
SURPRISE
ACTION

Let's go back over 10 years ago for a storyline WWE did the night after No Mercy 2007:

STORYLINE — Vince announces that the entire roster must shake the hand of the new WWE Champion, Randy Orton.
ANTICIPATION — The announcers (JR) continue to build up to this throughout the night
REALITY — They interview John Cena about his surgery; he says he will come face to face with Orton
SURPRISE — The return of Shawn Michaels in the final segment of the night
ACTION — HBK superkicks Orton to end the show
lol
 

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Surprised they are still doing 2 million. They wont be if this continues. The question is can they get the viewers back when things go back to normal?
Only if they have a big summer angle planned. They need to do something that hooks the audience. One idea would be to have the Undisputed Era debut on RAW by attacking Drew McIntyre.
 

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V1 | D1: 2.139M [20th] | 0.630D [3rd]
V2 | D2: 1.986M [25th] | 0.610D [4th]
V3 | D3: 1.646M [36th] | 0.510D [7th]

3V | 3D: 1.924M | 0.583D




H2 | H1:
[ - 0.153M | - 7.15% ]
[ - 0.020D | - 3.17% ]
H3 | H2:
[ - 0.340M | - 17.12% ]
[ - 0.100D | - 16.39% ]
H3 | H1:
[ - 0.493M | - 23.05% ]
[ - 0.120D | - 19.05% ]




W-W:
[ - 0.082M | - 4.09% ]
[ - 0.030D | - 4.89% ]




Y-Y:
[ - 0.715M | - 27.09% ]
[ - 0.334D | - 36.42% ]
 

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WWE is fucked. 1.9 mil for the go home Raw for Wrestlemania with literally nothing else on. And I don't want to hear the empty arena excuse, it hasn't hurt AEW. I realistically don't know what's going to happen to WWE within 5 years, they're literally bleeding out all of their audience
 

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lmao....you get the rating you deserve when you push geeks, women's wrestling, work rate, and g rated nonsense. None of that has ever drawn before. And it never will in the future. Can't wait to see Showstopper and Validreasoning defend this rating.

I'm wondering how low WWE ratings have to get before even their most ardent defenders say the show is terrible, the drop in viewership is terrible, and if changes aren't made that WWE will be off Cable TV in the next 5 years and relagated to network. Bc that's where this is headed. WWE is a niche product getting smaller and smaller.
 
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