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Frankly I think bra and panties matches are degrading towards woman. It's that type of shit that made women's wrestlers more comparable to strippers and porn stars back in the day which is not something you want to be equating with female wrestlers. There was never any respect in it.
 

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A little strange since she thanked a male fan for noticing her bigger tits and half her asscheeks hang out her ring gear.
 

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Idk. Id like to think I have a good sarcastic meter and it looked like Bliss was genuinely thanking him to me. Then again maybe she was purposely trolling lol
There are emoticons for sarcasm and it doesn`t read like sarcasm anyway.
 

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Now they have women with a lot of talent who can wrestle, unlike 2001.. They were treated only as eye candy back then which is incredibly insulting to women, especially with how sensitive this world is today... B&P matches just seem pointless now.
Not really. Lita and Trish were having what is still the most important and iconic rivalry in Womens Wrestling. There was the likes of Molly, Ivory, etc who could easily hang with the women of today. I dont know why people need to pretend Womens Wrestling didn't exist before the Horsewomen. Mickie James, Melina, Beth Phoenix, etc would make most of the current women look mediocre if they were around in this Era.
 

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The Divas were so much more iconic than the Women’s revolution lot
 

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Not really. Lita and Trish were having what is still the most important and iconic rivalry in Womens Wrestling. There was the likes of Molly, Ivory, etc who could easily hang with the women of today. I dont know why people need to pretend Womens Wrestling didn't exist before the Horsewomen. Mickie James, Melina, Beth Phoenix, etc would make most of the current women look mediocre if they were around in this Era.
Have you seen this before?


at around 20:40 she talks about how sometimes they would have planned for 5min match, and then before they go out they tell them like you have 2 min.

Around 30:50 she talks about the praise she got for her ring work from veterans and how much it meant to her. Man, i would love to see those 3 could have really led the division post lita/trish if they didn't just abandon it.

It does put into perspective how much they had to think on their feet and switch things up just to make every second count.
 

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Not really. Lita and Trish were having what is still the most important and iconic rivalry in Womens Wrestling. There was the likes of Molly, Ivory, etc who could easily hang with the women of today. I dont know why people need to pretend Womens Wrestling didn't exist before the Horsewomen. Mickie James, Melina, Beth Phoenix, etc would make most of the current women look mediocre if they were around in this Era.
This.

People act like womens wrestling has improved a million times over since 2001.

Like Chyna, Trish, Ivory, Molly Holly, Victoria, Gail Kim etc ever existed.

I would take those names in a heartbeat over todays crop. The only one who comes close is Bayley, who whilst boring, is quite decent in the ring.

The standard of wrestling is not better than it was in 2001.
 

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Have you seen this before?


at around 20:40 she talks about how sometimes they would have planned for 5min match, and then before they go out they tell them like you have 2 min.

Around 30:50 she talks about the praise she got for her ring work from veterans and how much it meant to her. Man, i would love to see those 3 could have really led the division post lita/trish if they didn't just abandon it.

It does put into perspective how much they had to think on their feet and switch things up just to make every second count.
No, I've never seen that before.

That sucks so much, there was this Era of women that Melina was a part of where they were criminally underutilised and never given the time to work. Just imagine the matches and feuds women like Melina, Mickie, Beth, Victoria, etc, even Michelle McCool could have produced if they were given half the time the women of today are.

Melina's NWA run has been fun so far. Im really enjoying her in her living legend role.

This.

People act like womens wrestling has improved a million times over since 2001.

Like Chyna, Trish, Ivory, Molly Holly, Victoria, Gail Kim etc ever existed.

I would take those names in a heartbeat over todays crop. The only one who comes close is Bayley, who whilst boring, is quite decent in the ring.

The standard of wrestling is not better than it was in 2001.
Yeah. People for whatever reason write off every woman that came along before Paige v Emma. But there have been so many talented women in the WWE, so many talented women in the Divas Era that simply weren't given the time to do anything. Mickie James, Victoria and Melina are three of the best total packages in the women's division the WWE has ever had.
 

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No, I've never seen that before.

That sucks so much, there was this Era of women that Melina was a part of where they were criminally underutilised and never given the time to work. Just imagine the matches and feuds women like Melina, Mickie, Beth, Victoria, etc, even Michelle McCool could have produced if they were given half the time the women of today are.

Melina's NWA run has been fun so far. Im really enjoying her in her living legend role.



Yeah. People for whatever reason write off every woman that came along before Paige v Emma. But there have been so many talented women in the WWE, so many talented women in the Divas Era that simply weren't given the time to do anything. Mickie James, Victoria and Melina are three of the best total packages in the women's division the WWE has ever had.
It did highlight how they sometimes they would have to do even improvise in the ring even while the match was going on. Sometimes even the best workers today would not handle improvisation in their matches.
 

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This.

People act like womens wrestling has improved a million times over since 2001.

Like Chyna, Trish, Ivory, Molly Holly, Victoria, Gail Kim etc ever existed.

I would take those names in a heartbeat over todays crop. The only one who comes close is Bayley, who whilst boring, is quite decent in the ring.

The standard of wrestling is not better than it was in 2001.
This. The only difference now is that womens matches are allowed to go longer and often featured higher up in the card but that doesn't mean the standard has improved. And also the nonsense of giving women their own hell in a cell matches and royal rumbles but that's a different issue.
 

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Now they have women with a lot of talent who can wrestle, unlike 2001.. They were treated only as eye candy back then which is incredibly insulting to women, especially with how sensitive this world is today... B&P matches just seem pointless now.
Whats wrong with having those kinds of angles today? Eye-candy as a marketing tool in an entertainment business is not insulting to women. I find it hysterical when I hear things like this.
 

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This.

People act like womens wrestling has improved a million times over since 2001.

Like Chyna, Trish, Ivory, Molly Holly, Victoria, Gail Kim etc ever existed.

I would take those names in a heartbeat over todays crop. The only one who comes close is Bayley, who whilst boring, is quite decent in the ring.

The standard of wrestling is not better than it was in 2001.
You said Chyna could wrestle lol
 

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I'm just responding in general and not to anyone specifically but the issue of bra and panties isnt that there wasn't credible women back in the AE or Ruthless Agression Era, of course there was, and that's what made participation in these stupid matches even more awful. We had women all along that could go but were reduced to bra and panties matches or 5-10 minute matches tops (usually 5). That sent the message that women's wrestling wasn't at all important and is ALL on the WWE "creative". Fuck them for patting themselves on the back for finally doing the right thing and creating a narrative of a revolution. LOL. Fucking assholes.
 
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