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To act like there aren't shades of grey between that horseshit they did and Bill Watts WCW no top rope rule is just laughable. I already said I liked the ladder match, I mean that had its fair amount of choreographed nonsense, but I respect the athleticism and timing the shit they did took. But like I said, AEW could put snuff porn on its PPVs and some of you would defend it, so I mean, I know the battle Im fighting here.
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They've emphasized the fact that they want there to be a little bit of something for everyone, you're not guaranteed to enjoy every aspect of a PPV, or to enjoy the entire 2 hour show on TNT. Why? Because there's going to be a variety. Whether it's tag teams, bruisers, cruisers, comedy, womens, hardcore, etc. They're trying to let the show have a little bit of something for everybody, with the hopes that they'll enjoy other aspects of the show.

I'll continuously go on record to say that Jebailey/Nakazawa was one of my favourite things at Fyter Fest. There's few things my girlfriend dreadfully sits through with me for wrestling and the fact that we both got to enjoy that match together is what made it great for me. For her, comedy and hardcore are the things she will willingly watch without complaining. She doesn't give a shit about the main event scene or anything else.

Again, it's about there being a little bit of something for everyone. You don't have any right to determine what people are and are not allowed to enjoy.
 

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Re: AEW TV Ratings, PPV Buys & Ticket Sales Thread: LET'S GO CRAZY! LET'S GET NUTS!

Wasn't just the price point, the promotion of the Xbox One was a train wreck from the get go. The used games thing was the big thing, and yes, the ultimately went back on that, but the damage was done. $400 Vs. $500 was an element of it too, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't the only thing. MS butchered the promotion of the Xbox One to an obscene level.
Now this isn't great evidence, but at least from the folk I know that aren't viewers of E3 the big thing was price point. But yeah thats an all time worst press conference lol.
Must be a USA thing. In EU where I was at the time and ZA where I am now, the prices were pretty similar, with ps4 actually being a little more expensive

I remember the conversation in my head being something like ‘100 bucks more, but I can finally play Last of Us’ - or something to that effect
Yeah the PS4 was like $100 cheaper than the Xbox One. Though Inbred is right and Microsoft fucked themselves with a terrible press conference.
 

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Yeah, they do need to lower the ppv prices in the future, especially if All Out did worse than DON. I think 20$ is a good price for them.
 

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$19.99 sounds perfect. Though it sucks they can't do the normal subscription service type model just yet. Hell even if they did something like buy a shirt or 2 get a promo code for a free or discounted PPV would be dope.
 

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They've emphasized the fact that they want there to be a little bit of something for everyone, you're not guaranteed to enjoy every aspect of a PPV, or to enjoy the entire 2 hour show on TNT. Why? Because there's going to be a variety. Whether it's tag teams, bruisers, cruisers, comedy, womens, hardcore, etc. They're trying to let the show have a little bit of something for everybody, with the hopes that they'll enjoy other aspects of the show.

I'll continuously go on record to say that Jebailey/Nakazawa was one of my favourite things at Fyter Fest. There's few things my girlfriend dreadfully sits through with me for wrestling and the fact that we both got to enjoy that match together is what made it great for me. For her, comedy and hardcore are the things she will willingly watch without complaining. She doesn't give a shit about the main event scene or anything else.

Again, it's about there being a little bit of something for everyone. You don't have any right to determine what people are and are not allowed to enjoy.
Im not determining what anyone enjoys. Either you want AEW to be a huge success and a competitor to WWE in 10 years or you want them to go down in flames in 3, but hey, they had something for everybody wooooo right? They need to cut that shit out. I have zero problem with hardcore matches and I dont care if guys get juice on every show, but theres a line of stupidity when you're going to National weekly TV and they crossed it.
 

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the ppv price isn't going to change anything, this is something meltzer and Alvarez discussed before even DON. people were screaming everywhere about the price and on the observer radio they went through all the statistics they had and the conclusion was just that the ppv price never and will never change anything. if aew put their ppv for 20$ they will do around the same numbers, there is simply only a very few margin of the team "if it was lower I would have brought it" but this portion is insignificant.
with those "outrageous" prices DON did 120k and Alll out is around 110k (even tho we aren't very sure since Fite tv denied some parts of the report by Dave about their numbers but still) even going by dave's numbers they did around the same and thats after losing arguably 1) the biggest fight of the card in term of hype and 2) the fight which was set up at the end of don in the post main event fight.
I know it can sound weird but thats how it is, aew can keep the same price but if they can manage to keep their ppv as special as they are now or even hell use tv to build more hype then it will be the same.
what they need to do is stick to the 4 ppv/year format and always deliver the big box office matches on ppv and not tv, or at least avoid it. and they will in fact have to create stars ( which is everything but an easy task). but lowering the price won't do shit for their numbers.
 

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Im not determining what anyone enjoys. Either you want AEW to be a huge success and a competitor to WWE in 10 years or you want them to go down in flames in 3, but hey, they had something for everybody wooooo right? They need to cut that shit out. I have zero problem with hardcore matches and I dont care if guys get juice on every show, but theres a line of stupidity when you're going to National weekly TV and they crossed it.
Again, you’re asserting here that their only road to success is what you say it is. Here’s a little news flash — it isn’t. It isn’t what I say it is or what anybody else in here says it is, either. It’s ultimately what Tony Kahn thinks it should be, and only time will tell if he’s right or not. Only time will tell.

Just to reiterate what others have said already, if you don’t like something, that’s fine, just say you don’t like it. Nobody ever said that everybody has to love everything they do. But ffs you and every other armchair CEO need to get off this kick that AEW is doomed to fail just because they do stuff that you don’t like.

If any part of what you said above were true, WWE would have been out of business 10 years ago.
 

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Im not determining what anyone enjoys. Either you want AEW to be a huge success and a competitor to WWE in 10 years or you want them to go down in flames in 3, but hey, they had something for everybody wooooo right? They need to cut that shit out. I have zero problem with hardcore matches and I dont care if guys get juice on every show, but theres a line of stupidity when you're going to National weekly TV and they crossed it.
Nice monkey logic. Company doesn't do 100% of what I like so it's going to go down in flames.
 

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Re: AEW TV Ratings, PPV Buys & Ticket Sales Thread: LET'S GO CRAZY! LET'S GET NUTS!

Now this isn't great evidence, but at least from the folk I know that aren't viewers of E3 the big thing was price point. But yeah thats an all time worst press conference lol.


Yeah the PS4 was like $100 cheaper than the Xbox One. Though Inbred is right and Microsoft fucked themselves with a terrible press conference.
how did you guys ended up talking about video game Rap?
i am laughing hard right now

but to add to the debate we shouldn't forget that what sold PS4 on people except from the price ( PS4 is more expensive for Europe but it still destroyed xbox) was Sony's communication, but we shouldn't forget the exclusives too which gave Sony an advantage.
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also people didn't like that triple threat? I watched the event with some non wrestling friends, and it was their favorite one, the skateboard spot was the talk of the night for us :lol
I think we wrestling fans tend to assume the general audience takes wrestling seriously for wants serious wrestling all te time. but maybe we are wrong and the crazy shit ends up being more entertaining ? don't know lol
 

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I can understand the people who didn't like the triple threat. It was what it was and if I have the chance to fast forward, will do that everytime.
 

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Re: AEW TV Ratings, PPV Buys & Ticket Sales Thread: LET'S GO CRAZY! LET'S GET NUTS!

how did you guys ended up talking about video game Rap?
i am laughing hard right now

but to add to the debate we shouldn't forget that what sold PS4 on people except from the price ( PS4 is more expensive for Europe but it still destroyed xbox) was Sony's communication, but we shouldn't forget the exclusives too which gave Sony an advantage.
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also people didn't like that triple threat? I watched the event with some non wrestling friends, and it was their favorite one, the skateboard spot was the talk of the night for us
I think we wrestling fans tend to assume the general audience takes wrestling seriously for wants serious wrestling all te time. but maybe we are wrong and the crazy shit ends up being more entertaining ? don't know lol
Oh just replying to another reply from before the ratings thread. I agree non-fans dont take it as serious though.
 

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Re: AEW PPV sales already declining.

Has nothing to do with different tastes. If you enjoy shit like that I question your IQ and basic abilities. But Im aware that some are just gonna say everything AEW does is great for the fuck of it. They could have the fat dude from the Dark Order get fucked up the ass with an iron by one of his gimps and you'd just say.."you dont understand WWE mark, different tastes!"...so like..okay. lol
Nothing is "Objectively" bad. Stop it. You don't get to decide what people should or shouldn't like. And as for AEW, there are plenty on the oposite extreme and neither viewpoint is "Correct".

What you can have is a CONSENSUS that something is bad, and that may influence how things of its' nature are perceived, but in no way should anyone goo "IF YOU LIKE THIS YOU ARE INFERIOR TO ME AND I PASS JUDGEMENT UPON YOU".

That isnt cool.
 

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They've emphasized the fact that they want there to be a little bit of something for everyone.
Frankly this worries me. It’s pretty much = ‘they want to be all things to all people’ and that never works in anything.

I think they’d be much better off deciding and defining exactly who and what they are and finding that audience. If it’s ‘serious sports-based promotion’ or ‘bad Orange Cassidy comedy promotion’ or ‘flippy little boys YB promotion’ or ‘throwback Cody nostalgia pop psychology-based matches promotion’ — at least they’d gain 100 percent of whatever audience is there for that.

To try to be a little bit of this and a little bit of that ultimately leaves the people who like this or that dissatisfied because they only got a taste and turning those same people off to the other stuff they don’t like.

Whatever AEW is going to be, it needs to figure that out and be that IMO.
 

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Frankly this worries me. It’s pretty much = ‘they want to be all things to all people’ and that never works in anything.

I think they’d be much better off deciding and defining exactly who and what they are and finding that audience. If it’s ‘serious sports-based promotion’ or ‘bad Orange Cassidy comedy promotion’ or ‘flippy little boys YB promotion’ or ‘throwback Cody nostalgia pop psychology-based matches promotion’ — at least they’d gain 100 percent of whatever audience is there for that.

To try to be a little bit of this and a little bit of that ultimately leaves the people who like this or that dissatisfied because they only got a taste and turning those same people off to the other stuff they don’t like.

Whatever AEW is going to be, it needs to figure that out and be that IMO.
That's true when they half-arse everything, if they actually put on the best versions of the individual styles then, even when you're watching a style that doesn't appeal, you at least know you're watching the best version of it and that the next match will appeal to you and will be great.

Imagine watching WWE's micromanaged version of Orange Cassidy followed by their micromanaged version of The Young Bucks followed by their micromanaged version of Cody vs Dustin. Well, we've seen that


Thanks but no thanks
 

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That's true when they half-arse everything, if they actually put on the best versions of the individual styles then, even when you're watching a style that doesn't appeal, you at least know you're watching the best version of it and that the next match will appeal to you and will be great.

Imagine watching WWE's micromanaged version of Orange Cassidy followed by their micromanaged version of The Young Bucks followed by their micromanaged version of Cody vs Dustin. Well, we've seen that


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I hear you, but it doesn’t mean ‘let Orange Cassidy do what he wants’ is going to be better. In fact, I think it might be worse.

This is the same promotion that brought us the Librarians and thought it was a good idea. I wonder where the filter is. This bunch very much marks for their own in-jokes.
 

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I hear you, but it doesn’t mean ‘let Orange Cassidy do what he wants’ is going to be better. In fact, I think it might be worse.

This is the same promotion that brought us the Librarians and thought it was a good idea. I wonder where the filter is. This bunch very much marks for their own in-jokes.
Sure, The Librarians will always be the stick used to beat them but look, they worked on BTE which is the fanbase AEW have locked down so it made sense to try them in front a larger audience; sadly they are an act that needs to be built to if iit is to have a chance of working (see Emma moving from NXT to the main roster). They didn't work so they've been scaled back and maybe they'll work in this less prominent role or maybe they'll be gettisoned altogether but here's the thing, I'd rather they take a few risks than play it safe. There are are no spectacular rewards without the possibility of spectacular failures.
 

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Sure, The Librarians will always be the stick used to beat them but look, they worked on BTE which is the fanbase AEW have locked down so it made sense to try them in front a larger audience; sadly they are an act that needs to be built to if iit is to have a chance of working (see Emma moving from NXT to the main roster). They didn't work so they've been scaled back and maybe they'll work in this less prominent role or maybe they'll be gettisoned altogether but here's the thing, I'd rather they take a few risks than play it safe. There are are no spectacular rewards without the possibility of spectacular failures.
As I said, I wonder where the filter is.

As mentioned, I think they’re way to into their own in-jokes — they think it’s funny and their die-hards who watch their YouTube (or some of them) think it’s funny ... but that doesn’t mean those things are made for TV or PPVs.

I worry that there’s some ‘well Omega thinks this is cool and we’ll let him do this, but if he gets to do this then we get to do that ...’ which can be disastrous. Who in the room (or group phone text chat) stand up and says, ‘Yeah, Bucks, that was a cute silly bit on YouTube but no way we’re doing it on TV’?
 

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Frankly this worries me. It’s pretty much = ‘they want to be all things to all people’ and that never works in anything.

I think they’d be much better off deciding and defining exactly who and what they are and finding that audience. If it’s ‘serious sports-based promotion’ or ‘bad Orange Cassidy comedy promotion’ or ‘flippy little boys YB promotion’ or ‘throwback Cody nostalgia pop psychology-based matches promotion’ — at least they’d gain 100 percent of whatever audience is there for that.

To try to be a little bit of this and a little bit of that ultimately leaves the people who like this or that dissatisfied because they only got a taste and turning those same people off to the other stuff they don’t like.

Whatever AEW is going to be, it needs to figure that out and be that IMO.
Except they’re not the same thing. ‘Something for everyone’ is not ‘all things to all people’ — there’s a subtle but significant difference between the two.

The problem with your proposal is, going 100% after one small portion of the audience is pretty much cutting off a much larger audience. Cody has already been crucified for suggesting they’re not going after the casual fan. There’s no reason why they can’t offer the variety of styles as they’re currently doing to appeal to as wide a wrestling audience as possible. In fact that’s the biggest aspect that draws me to their product — seeing different workers and styles that I’d never see if they stuck to just one.
 
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