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Re: AEW marketing problems.

How about giving it a chance first? I mean they don't even have their weekly TV show yet. They've done a few PPV's and it's unfair to judge them by that. We'll see when the first TV show goes on air.
 

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What ratings??? The show hasn't even started yet!!!

That said all the SJW stuff creeping in (Cody being reprimanded for saying "pussy" in Mexico, pushing a tranny as the face of the women's division, Omega getting publically butt hutt over WWE scheduling an event the same day as FFTF) is already a turn off.
 

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Also you are a idiot they aren't screwed.
Four grammatical errors in a span of eight words in the process of calling someone else an idiot!



What ratings??? The show hasn't even started yet!!!

That said all the SJW stuff creeping in (Cody being reprimanded for saying "pussy" in Mexico, pushing a tranny as the face of the women's division, Omega getting publically butt hutt over WWE scheduling an event the same day as FFTF) is already a turn off.
Correct. Catering to the tear-soaked SJW fruits is a risky proposition, as they will absolutely turn on you and protest you in their awful handmade rags if you ever dare to do ANYTHING they deem "offensive."
 

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Re: AEW PPV sales already declining.

fwiw I think looking at these numbers atm is stupid but Moxley wasn't advertised for the DoN so that's hardly a reason to explain the decline.
He added about 20K replay buys with the buzz created from his debut.

You're also looking at it wrong. It's not so much the drop from DON to All Out that was affected by losing him (although that's part of it) it's the drop from what they would have done with him on All Out vs what they actually did without him. They easily do 140-150K with him on the card. The announcement of his match was followed by record ticket demand the next day, and the announcement of his injury immediately plummeted secondary market ticket demand and prices.

Luckily, they still had their only other draw (Jericho) on the card, which helped stop the bleeding.
 

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Re: AEW PPV sales already declining.

LOOK OUT!!! DIFFERENT TASTES! RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNN!! :hutz
Has nothing to do with different tastes. If you enjoy shit like that I question your IQ and basic abilities. But Im aware that some are just gonna say everything AEW does is great for the fuck of it. They could have the fat dude from the Dark Order get fucked up the ass with an iron by one of his gimps and you'd just say.."you dont understand WWE mark, different tastes!"...so like..okay. lol
 

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Are Boxing and UFC also available on streaming services like B/R Live and Fite TV?
I don’t know about boxing (haven’t followed it in ages), but UFC left ppv’s in favor of ESPN+, and Bellator went to DAZN, both paid subscription streaming services. AEW would do well to follow suit, once they have enough programming in the can to make it worthwhile.

I had been buying the occasional UFC ppv, but I can’t stand ESPN, so I sure as shit am not about to give them any more money than they’re already getting from my cable bill. Bellator doesn’t interest me enough to justify subscribing to another streaming service. But I’d consider it for AEW at something more reasonable, like $5 a month. Such a move could end up being a good proposition for any streaming service, and at a cheap price should help get more eyes on the product.

Has nothing to do with different tastes. If you enjoy shit like that I question your IQ and basic abilities. But Im aware that some are just gonna say everything AEW does is great for the fuck of it. They could have the fat dude from the Dark Order get fucked up the ass with an iron by one of his gimps and you'd just say.."you dont understand WWE mark, different tastes!"...so like..okay. lol
Soooooo.... if I enjoy something that you don’t — and I assume vice versa — that makes me developmentally challenged. Okie-dokie. Although I quietly harbor the same opinion of anybody who thought There’s Something About Mary or any of the Hangover movies were funny, so fair’s fair, I guess.
 

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Soooooo.... if I enjoy something that you don’t — and I assume vice versa — that makes me developmentally challenged. Okie-dokie. Although I quietly harbor the same opinion of anybody who thought There’s Something About Mary or any of the Hangover movies were funny, so fair’s fair, I guess.
If you enjoy three guys who look like they stayed home for senior prom listening to Nirvana giving themselves papercuts and swallowing thumbtacks and literally trying to kill themselves because they can't actually work. Then yeah, I do.
 

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Soooooo.... if I enjoy something that you don’t — and I assume vice versa — that makes me developmentally challenged. Okie-dokie. Although I quietly harbor the same opinion of anybody who thought There’s Something About Mary or any of the Hangover movies were funny, so fair’s fair, I guess.
If you enjoy three guys who look like they stayed home for senior prom listening to Nirvana giving themselves papercuts and swallowing thumbtacks and literally trying to kill themselves because they can't actually work. Then yeah, I do.
Cool and if you like a greasy haired hot topic wannabe then I question your IQ :draper2. Come back when jay white has a feud as good as havoc's vs ospreay. The fact people say havoc can't work is laughable. His feud with ospreay was the top feud in Progress as it was growing and helped establish it but jimmy havoc can't work <img src="http://i.imgur.com/m2XjBg7.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Heston" class="inlineimg" /> <img src="http://i.imgur.com/m2XjBg7.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Heston" class="inlineimg" />
 

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If you enjoy three guys who look like they stayed home for senior prom listening to Nirvana giving themselves papercuts and swallowing thumbtacks and literally trying to kill themselves because they can't actually work. Then yeah, I do.
Well then, let's put things in perspective here. Based on the fact that you're posting in a wrestling forum and have stated your dislikes on said matter, one can only assume there's a high likelihood that you enjoy watching oiled up muscleheads stomping around in their underwear, yelling at each other and play-fighting, which isn't exactly what I'd call a ringing endorsement of your own discerning tastes.

You're just another wrestling fan. The fact that you have hard lines between what you enjoy and what you think others shouldn't doesn't make you any more or less of one, only a close-minded one. Get off your soapbox and accept the idea that everyone else's preferences aren't going to match yours. What people do and don't like doesn't make them any more or less right, nor does it say anything about their IQ or 'basic abilities', whatever the hell that's supposed to be.
 

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If you enjoy three guys who look like they stayed home for senior prom listening to Nirvana giving themselves papercuts and swallowing thumbtacks and literally trying to kill themselves because they can't actually work. Then yeah, I do.
Look out guys

We got a discerning wrestling connoisseur over here

Hang tight while I fetch my monocle and Tanahashi box set
 

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The hardcore match from All Out wasn't really my cup of tea, but you can't say the match sucked if it had the crowd going crazy the entire duration.
 

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Look out guys

We got a discerning wrestling connoisseur over here

Hang tight while I fetch my monocle and Tanahashi box set
To act like there aren't shades of grey between that horseshit they did and Bill Watts WCW no top rope rule is just laughable. I already said I liked the ladder match, I mean that had its fair amount of choreographed nonsense, but I respect the athleticism and timing the shit they did took. But like I said, AEW could put snuff porn on its PPVs and some of you would defend it, so I mean, I know the battle Im fighting here.
 

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Point 1 - 100% I am coming from that perspective - but so are I think around 300k other people - which seems to be their loyalist fanbase. You can build a pretty good company around that as your core.



Point 2 - sorry, disagree - the last console generation more than anything showed the worth of exclusives. More people gravitated towards ps4 (myself included from xbox 360) because they had the far superior exclusive library.



Not that this has anything to do with the discussion - as my point was console vs free to play mobile



Ps> i guess we’ll continue this in the ratings thread?
1. They definitely have a nice fanbase that's unquestionable. I definitely think they have enough of a loyal fan base and will convert enough folk to sustain themselves come TV (as long as TNT doesn't randomly lose interest in wrestling again). It's just PPV I don't think will shoot up come TV, as I don't envision casuals being gung ho to pay that price. Then as I said I think fans that have been paying will get stingier with time.

2. But before they even got to that point the PS4 crushed the Xbox One off of pricing. The price point because of the Kinect (as well as that terrible press conference) was a major turn off. The fact that PS4 ended up having more exclusives was even more reasoning later kn.
 

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1. They definitely have a nice fanbase that's unquestionable. I definitely think they have enough of a loyal fan base and will convert enough folk to sustain themselves come TV (as long as TNT doesn't randomly lose interest in wrestling again). It's just PPV I don't think will shoot up come TV, as I don't envision casuals being gung ho to pay that price. Then as I said I think fans that have been paying will get stingier with time.

2. But before they even got to that point the PS4 crushed the Xbox One off of pricing. The price point because of the Kinect (as well as that terrible press conference) was a major turn off. The fact that PS4 ended up having more exclusives was even more reasoning later kn.
Wasn't just the price point, the promotion of the Xbox One was a train wreck from the get go. The used games thing was the big thing, and yes, the ultimately went back on that, but the damage was done. $400 Vs. $500 was an element of it too, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't the only thing. MS butchered the promotion of the Xbox One to an obscene level.
 

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To act like there aren't shades of grey between that horseshit they did and Bill Watts WCW no top rope rule is just laughable. I already said I liked the ladder match, I mean that had its fair amount of choreographed nonsense, but I respect the athleticism and timing the shit they did took. But like I said, AEW could put snuff porn on its PPVs and some of you would defend it, so I mean, I know the battle Im fighting here.
Listen mate, I did not like the 3-way / its not my bag

But acting all superior about disliking something will always get you rightfully some heat.

AEW is quite vocal about giving a buffet of styles - so, be prepared to keep on finding stuff you don’t like in-between the stuff you do.
 

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1. They definitely have a nice fanbase that's unquestionable. I definitely think they have enough of a loyal fan base and will convert enough folk to sustain themselves come TV (as long as TNT doesn't randomly lose interest in wrestling again). It's just PPV I don't think will shoot up come TV, as I don't envision casuals being gung ho to pay that price. Then as I said I think fans that have been paying will get stingier with time.

2. But before they even got to that point the PS4 crushed the Xbox One off of pricing. The price point because of the Kinect (as well as that terrible press conference) was a major turn off. The fact that PS4 ended up having more exclusives was even more reasoning later kn.
Must be a USA thing. In EU where I was at the time and ZA where I am now, the prices were pretty similar, with ps4 actually being a little more expensive

I remember the conversation in my head being something like ‘100 bucks more, but I can finally play Last of Us’ - or something to that effect
 
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