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If that white, 35-45 year old crowd with their smarky chants is the best thing about a show, it might be time to go home. I’m not saying that crowds don’t help make a show or anything. But when that crowd is the BEST part? Hmm.
Thats the thing, you see AEW at first and see the crowd and think „wow“, but then you watch the show and ho „nah“. With all this comparing to WCW and old WWE there was always a rowdy fun crowd BUT ALSO a good to great show. Now its just people who want them to succeed and scream even for shit and that makes a bad meme of a wrestling show out of Dynamite. Maybe thats why the viewership decreased so bad, because now people see that it is just shit wrestling without any substance?!
 

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And ?

I don't give a shit about if a crowd is white, black or yellow.
Hell they could be robots i would be ok with it as long as they react to the show.
Hoo, boy.

for me a hot crowd makes or breaks a show. Hogan vs rock would have been shit in an empty arena So no idea why anyone thinks Moxley vs cage should be brilliant.
Okay, but Hogan vs. Rock and Mox vs. Cage are going to be immensely different anyway. Neither is anywhere near the star or worked that Hogan or Rock was. I don’t think I really get the comparison, because Mox/Cage isn’t going to be the same in front of that Toronto crowd, nor would Hogan and Rock be as special in front of 3,000 AEW fans.
 

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Hoo, boy.



Okay, but Hogan vs. Rock and Mox vs. Cage are going to be immensely different anyway. Neither is anywhere near the star or worked that Hogan or Rock was. I don’t think I really get the comparison, because Mox/Cage isn’t going to be the same in front of that Toronto crowd, nor would Hogan and Rock be as special in front of 3,000 AEW fans.
im not comparing the wrestlers which I think you know. Your just muddying the waters to dilute my point.

a good crowd can make an average show good

a poor crowd or no crowd can make a good show average.
 

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im not comparing the wrestlers which I think you know. Your just muddying the waters to dilute my point.

a good crowd can make an average show good

a poor crowd or no crowd can make a good show average.
No, I’m trying to work out what your point is. You’ve gone on to clarify, but that was a poor way of making it.

No one is saying that a crowd doesn’t enhance a match. But they’re not going to take horseshit and turn it into gold. Sorry, but that’s not going to happen. The idea is for the workers to work the crowd, not the crowd to artificially blow-up a match.

A crowd can make a special moment feel more special. Having no crowd can make things feel a bit more sterile. But just like you can have sitcoms without a laugh track, you can still do good work for an audience at home with limited fan participation. Studio wrestling worked. Empty arena stuff has worked.

It’s a cop-out to claim that Jericho vs. Orange Cassidy isn’t working because there are no uncool middle-aged people cheering him wildly. It’s not working because it’s bad.

Imagine someone saying the show has too many black people in the audience
They’re really coming out now.
 

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Lol at the people trying to paint Wood as some kind of racist against white people.

He's right, the AEW audience is absolutely filled with white people. Is there anything wrong with that? Kind of. It shows the AEW product isn't really appealing to anyone except dorky looking white people.

I remember my friend asked me to go with him to a comedy show once and bought the ticket. I didn't know the comic that well and turned up to see like 500 middle aged white people laughing at this old dude and I remember laughing at how white the audience was.
 

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It's been over a year since AEW put on their first PPV back in May 2019 with Double or Nothing. The promotion hasn't had a major uptick in viewership since then with their weekly Dynamite show.
Former WWE and WCW writer Vince Russo was a recent guest on Sportskeeda's Facebook Live show with Chris Featherstone where he revealed the reason why AEW's numbers haven't gone up.

"I don't consider it a WCW reboot at all. I do not think they have a legitimate choice to make any noise if they are just going to cater to hardcore fans. They are catering to an audience they already have. Those people are going to watch AEW regardless. You've got to expand your audience. People don't understand, that's why the Attitude Era was successful. We knew we had to get casual wrestling fans, casual television viewers. We had to go outside the scope of wrestling because our mentality was 'the wrestling fans are already watching the show'."
"I have watched every AEW episode because I review it on Russo's Brand with Justin Credible. I've watched every episode - they're catering to an audience they already have and they're going to sit there and wonder why their numbers aren't going up? How are your numbers going to go up if you have the same audience every single week. It has nothing to do with AEW, it has nothing to do with wrestling - that's business. If you are a successful company and you've got a customer base, you've got to keep growing that customer base - that's any business. In 9 months, they have not done one thing to go beyond their fan base. That's why their numbers have been the same since day 1. "
AEW viewership numbers
AEW and WWE's NXT shows have been battling it out on Wednesday nights, with WWE's show even beating AEW last week in the viewership numbers. AEW has averaged anywhere between 600,000 to 800,000 with their weekly Dynamite shows, while last week's show could garner just 633,000 compared to NXT's 786,000.



 

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Do WWE have troll factories now?
Vince Russo has a point their ratings are down because they're catering to the iwc and catering to the iwc is how you're ratings and viewership tanks. I don't know why you're bringing up WWE for when Russo's point was WWE's viewership and ratings increased but AEW's has decreased which is a fact when you look at the numbers.
 

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Vince Russo has a point their ratings are down because they're catering to the iwc and catering to the iwc is how you're ratings and viewership tanks. I don't know why you're bringing up WWE for when Russo's point was WWE's viewership and ratings increased but AEW's has decreased which is a fact when you look at the numbers.

WWE numbers are down year by year and are doing sub 2 mill and that's not good for a company with as much history ..that being said no crowds are hurting both and aew is just filling time not wanting to blow stories with no fans or else they would've done th blood and guts already ..also they don't have access to their full roster right now
 

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WWE numbers are down year by year and are doing sub 2 mill and that's not good for a company with as much history ..that being said no crowds are hurting both and aew is just filling time not wanting to blow stories with no fans or else they would've done th blood and guts already ..also they don't have access to their full roster right now
Hes talking about in the last couple months and in the last month WWE's viewership increased while AEW's decreased on average. There won't be fans so if they were "holding back" then they need to stop then.
 

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Oh yeah, I'm going to listen to the guy who came up with such genius ideas as Judy on a pole matches, made David Arquette a champion as well as himself.

His just like Vince McMahon. Coasting on one or two good ideas 25 years ago. Russo has no idea what today's fans want. If he did he wouldn't be another old boy on a podcast, he would have a job at a promotion
 

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Stopped at him saying they’re catering to hardcore fans. Wrestling doesn’t and won’t have a casual audience. It AEW and NXT weren’t on the same night they both hover around 1M IMO. That’s good enough but they’re splitting an audience and that is impacting them.
Neither one be getting 1 million viewers even if the other wasn't on at the same time because NXT viewers have 0 interest in AEW and its the same vice versa. When Dynamite wasn't on for a week NXT got 800k and when NXT too a break and only showed highlights Dynamite still couldn't get 1 million viewers which means they don't share an audience. They're not aplitting viewers since neither show gains viewers from the other when the other isn't on. They're are casuals who watch wrestling thats who majority of Raw and Smackdown's viewers are. NXT and AEW doesn't have any casuals watchi g them because casuals are more interested in storylines not workrate. Casuals don't read dirtsheets only hardcore wrestling fans do and AEW already has that audience.

Oh yeah, I'm going to listen to the guy who came up with such genius ideas as Judy on a pole matches, made David Arquette a champion as well as himself.

His just like Vince McMahon. Coasting on one or two good ideas 25 years ago. Russo has no idea what today's fans want. If he did he wouldn't be another old boy on a podcast, he would have a job at a promotion
He booked Viagra on a pole and many other stupid matches but hes correct though in that they're catering to an audience they already have and you can't grow by doing that. Thats why they're viewership is tanking because they're pleasing their audience only and that audience is shrinking by the month.
 

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Neither one be getting 1 million viewers even if the other wasn't on at the same time because NXT viewers have 0 interest in AEW and its the same vice versa. When Dynamite wasn't on for a week NXT got 800k and when NXT too a break and only showed highlights Dynamite still couldn't get 1 million viewers which means they don't share an audience. They're not aplitting viewers since neither show gains viewers from the other when the other isn't on. They're are casuals who watch wrestling thats who majority of Raw and Smackdown's viewers are. NXT and AEW doesn't have any casuals watchi g them because casuals are more interested in storylines not workrate. Casuals don't read dirtsheets only hardcore wrestling fans do and AEW already has that audience.



He booked Viagra on a pole and many other stupid matches but hes correct though in that they're catering to an audience they already have and you can't grow by doing that. Thats why they're viewership is tanking because they're pleasing their audience only and that audience is shrinking by the month.
I know that. But that's all that's left. Casuals hate wrestling. The only way to get that audience back is to market professional wrestling like simulated UFC with an emphasis on grappling. Because that's where they went. But if you do that you take away the essence of wrestling which is outlandish personalities and gimmicks.

On the flip side if you go too gimmick stupid you run the risk of chasing off your fanbase.

It's best to just accept that in the eyes of society wrestling is a niche product. AEW, IW, NWA, MLW, ROH or WWE will never again achieve 1 million plus viewers every week like in the 90s
 

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Why are we STILL pretending this man is an expert? It's like posting Trump quotes about how to run a business.
Okay Monty, he has been a writer of wrestling for 17 years and been in almost every major promotion including WWF, WCW and TNA. What does your resume look like?

Not trying to be a dick but 17 years in the business working directly in the business of getting ratings makes him an expert wrestling writer and an expert to talk on this topic.

Stopped at him saying they’re catering to hardcore fans. Wrestling doesn’t and won’t have a casual audience. It AEW and NXT weren’t on the same night they both hover around 1M IMO. That’s good enough but they’re splitting an audience and that is impacting them.
So if there are no casual fans where did the 800,000 people who have stopped watching AEW go? Where are the 100,000 people a month tuning out of AEW going?

Oh yeah, I'm going to listen to the guy who came up with such genius ideas as Judy on a pole matches, made David Arquette a champion as well as himself.

His just like Vince McMahon. Coasting on one or two good ideas 25 years ago. Russo has no idea what today's fans want. If he did he wouldn't be another old boy on a podcast, he would have a job at a promotion
Judy Bagwell on a pole and David Arquette but was directly involved in writing the angles that made Austin, Rock, Triple H etc household names.

Personally he's not really my cup of tea either (I dug some ideas I hated some others) but to pretend he doesn't know anything and Cody, Khan, The Bucks and Omega do is a joke.
 

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So if there are no casual fans where did the 800,000 people who have stopped watching AEW go? Where are the 100,000 people a month tuning out of AEW going?
Ratings are down across the board especially in the summer time regardless of the current circumstances. Like I said they’d hover around 1M(800K is damn close)

It’s obviously a case by case basis. For me I can’t watch on Wednesdays and im sure some are the same way. For some they just catch it on demand or because everyone is home and they’re sharing a TV they stream it. Those 3 factors alone plus a direct competitor could account for it but obviously nothing is for sure.
 

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Russo and Cornette are terrible for the advancement of the profession however. It’s like listening to old timers about baseball and they wonder why the sport isn’t growing.

They need to let these guys work, make mistakes and figure things out instead of attacking everything or highlighting perceived flaws. Then it gets spinned as them wanting the company to flourish.
 
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