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Commentary are there to put over talents not bury them. Just cause you don't like darby getting the match does not mean commentary should shit on the wrestler. Why would someone tuning in want to watch someone who has no chance in a fight? And I mentioned wwe because that is what wcw 2000 was like.
Questioning his chances would help create an underdog character, without making the commentary team look dumb. Not shitting on him, but questioning if he has what it takes. It's very different. And yeah you're absolutely right. Why would anyone want to tune in to watch someone who has no chance in a fight? Darby has no chance no matter what the commentary team says, so why would someone want to watch it?

You mentioned WWE for the same reason everyone else does on this section. If you shit on WWE it makes the flaws in AEW less obvious.
Ok if you don't want to watch it don't :draper2. Not gonna lie but the majority of wrestling is predictable if you watch enough. Especially weekly tv. Like I said the commentary team are there to sell the show to audience. Not shit on things you don't like. They advertised a title match weeks in advance. They are using it to build someone in defeat. Also I used the hiac ppv as an example of wcw 2000 but use whatever headcannon you want. A few brawls and interference is not.
 

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Comments like this are killing this place. You're basically a wrestling fascist trying to shut down people who have differing opinions by yelling "troll" at the top of your lungs. AEW has faults and people on a forum want to talk about them, fucking deal with it. People only feel the need to point things out because sycophants like yourself act like everything AEW does is perfect.
This sums it up very nicely. I know myself and a few others here WANT AEW to succeed but we aren't blind to some of it's faults that may effect them on a large scale. We're trying to see the big picture. We understand that they are starting out but what we're hoping for is MASS appeal so they can TRULY grow and not just cater to a small demographic of hardcores yet we are labeled for doing so.

I'm glad AEW is around and I think their shows are so-so to decent but nothing great, that's my opinion, I'm not "trolling." Could be because I'm 37 and more of a casual anymore and an 'old-school' fan.

Now I'll admit if they keep doing what they're doing and they grow to over a 2.0 rating then I will eat crow and admit that I am behind the times and what hardcores and casuals want to see has changed and I am out of step and am better off watching the NWA reboot which caters more to 'old school' fans like me.
 

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This sums it up very nicely. I know myself and a few others here WANT AEW to succeed but we aren't blind to some of it's faults that may effect them on a large scale. We're trying to see the big picture. We understand that they are starting out but what we're hoping for is MASS appeal so they can TRULY grow and not just cater to a small demographic of hardcores yet we are labeled for doing so.

I'm glad AEW is around and I think their shows are so-so to decent but nothing great, that's my opinion, I'm not "trolling." Could be because I'm 37 and more of a casual anymore and an 'old-school' fan.

Now I'll admit if they keep doing what they're doing and they grow to over a 2.0 rating then I will eat crow and admit that I am behind the times and what hardcores and casuals want to see has changed and I am out of step and am better off watching the NWA reboot which caters more to 'old school' fans like me.
They’ll be over 2 mil the show after Full Gear

It’s a new day, and these guys get it IMO
 

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OP's spoken as someone who never watched WCW in 2000. The ending reminded me of the glory WCW days of mid-96 through 97. It had an intriguing, chaotic brawl that left you wanting more because there was so much going on but it all made sense. Ending was great and I'm sucked in for next week.
 

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what? If anything there needs to be MORE story...but fuck, it's been 2 weeks man haha. Give them some time.

I lovvvved that ending with Darby coming down on the skateboard
 

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I thought what they did was really good, set things up nicely for next week.. Jericho is by far the best in all of wrestling right now and he was quite phenomenal, both the promo and the match/brawl at the end.... the brawl at the end was quite good and set things up nicely..if at all you want something reminding you of late WCW, its WWE of any time of the past few years with their boring shows, shitty finishes, poor booking overall and outright boring characters..
 

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It will be interesting to see what AEW can do years from now. Can AEW still be fresh but so far they have a nice start.
 

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So then I am assuming you didn't watch much (or any) late WCW then :draper2
 

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I didn't watch WCW but weren't they actually pretty entertaining that Vince had to book the Attitude Era to survive?
 

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This thread sounded like it came from a desperate WWE mark.
The people complaining in this thread sound like misanthropes or a trolls

That's the impression people give off when they complain and get super defensive about it. When people disagree with them they could respond, "Well, I didn't like this, heres why I didnt like it, that's all :draper2"

Instead they go straight for stoking drama when people disagree with them. That's either trolling or misanthropy

Oh geez now I'm a wrestling fascist
 

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If anyone is becoming dying WCW days its WWE.
There are giant similarities there. But WWE is more like ‘99 WCW, when they had everyone signed and were pushing old guys.

If something works, it works.

The Golden Age of Pro Wrestling that we all loved was full of “repetitive” things.

Sting, nWo, Stone Cold, The Rock, DX, Undertaker, Goldberg, etc...
This is literally the attitude that killed WCW. Going with the same things that worked over and over again and refusing to accept when they didn’t.

“Repetitive” is not the word I would use to accurately describe Austin or The Rock during the WWF’s return to form and peak. Especially in contrast to WCW, which began to falter.

Goldberg is unique in the sense him being constant progress clashed with everything else on the show.

Brawls and interference are long term wrestling tropes. Also why would the commentary say someone has no chance going into a title match? What a dumb thing to say. I agree that the lights going out has been overused

Calling brawls and interference wcw 2000 is just wrong. Do I think OP is a troll? Nah. If you want wcw 2000 go watch the main event for hell in a cell.
The commentary should say it because it's obvious and saying otherwise makes them look dumb. If it was Hangman VS Jericho then fine, but not for someone who hasn't been built as an underdog yet. The commentary not believing in him could add to the underdog status as well.

Yes we get it, WWE sucks. I agree. But it doesn't need to be said every time someone criticizes AEW.
Commentary are there to put over talents not bury them. Just cause you don't like darby getting the match does not mean commentary should shit on the wrestler. Why would someone tuning in want to watch someone who has no chance in a fight? And I mentioned wwe because that is what wcw 2000 was like.
I was thinking of this angle earlier, but opted not to, but it’s perfect.

One of the best angles the WWF ever did was Austin challenging Vince to a WWF Title match. Austin identified the hubris in McMahon and realized he could play off it and get Vince in the ring where he could destroy him. “Oh hell yeah.”

Commentary didn’t sell it like Vince had a chance. JR actively left commentary to try and talk Vince out of it, because it would be bad for the company. An old Mid-South trick, like the one they pulled with Ric Flair and Ted DiBiase. “You might want to send the kids to bed for this one.”

You don’t need to bury Darby Allin to be realistic about his chances against a guy who has been knocking out people left and right, and is a veteran allegedly at the top of his game with a dangerous faction around him. You can sell his guts, insanity and determination. No one may want the first match against Jericho, but he’s the dude putting up his hand.

You can still have him jump Jericho. And you can have him win the commentators over with his efforts — like he’s hopefully winning over the audience.

You just said what you said because you know one way to do things because of your conditioning. As WINNING ironically says: AEWWE.

Comments like this are killing this place. You're basically a wrestling fascist trying to shut down people who have differing opinions by yelling "troll" at the top of your lungs. AEW has faults and people on a forum want to talk about them, fucking deal with it. People only feel the need to point things out because sycophants like yourself act like everything AEW does is perfect.
This sums it up very nicely. I know myself and a few others here WANT AEW to succeed but we aren't blind to some of it's faults that may effect them on a large scale. We're trying to see the big picture. We understand that they are starting out but what we're hoping for is MASS appeal so they can TRULY grow and not just cater to a small demographic of hardcores yet we are labeled for doing so.

I'm glad AEW is around and I think their shows are so-so to decent but nothing great, that's my opinion, I'm not "trolling." Could be because I'm 37 and more of a casual anymore and an 'old-school' fan.

Now I'll admit if they keep doing what they're doing and they grow to over a 2.0 rating then I will eat crow and admit that I am behind the times and what hardcores and casuals want to see has changed and I am out of step and am better off watching the NWA reboot which caters more to 'old school' fans like me.
Excellent post. The one thing I will disagree with is the number. I expected more people to tune in and for them to eventually settle on 1.4. If they climb to doing 4 million viewers, and this thing leads to a boom period for wrestling, then I’ll be in the same boat as you. As it stands right now, I think they are just servicing a small section of people.

This thread sounded like it came from a desperate WWE mark.
The people complaining in this thread sound like misanthropes or a trolls

That's the impression people give off when they complain and get super defensive about it. When people disagree with them they could respond, "Well, I didn't like this, heres why I didnt like it, that's all <img src="http://i.imgur.com/7KU7Fqx.png" border="0" alt="" title="Draper" class="inlineimg" />"

Instead they go straight for stoking drama when people disagree with them. That's either trolling or misanthropy

Oh geez now I'm a wrestling fascist
Pot, meet kettle.
 

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Pot, meet kettle.
I posted in this thread without remarking on the way people were behaving until they brought up behavior first

Dont open the door if you dont want people stepping through it. Simple as that
 
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AEW has been mediocre so far. This week NXT did what they needed to do more of and have promos and packages to help build fueds, AEW has done almost nothing but workrate stuff which doesn't grab the casuals. Plus casuals aren't going to watch when guys like Darby Allin and Sammy Guevara who look like jobbers are getting any type of push.
 

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OP is a bit too strong but they (AEW) are making mistakes—which is understandable but need to be corrected. The women’s wrestling is awful. Get rid of it. Pushing a guy like Allin with zero context is a mistake as well. More promos for sure.
 

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Ok if you don't want to watch it don't :draper2. Not gonna lie but the majority of wrestling is predictable if you watch enough. Especially weekly tv. Like I said the commentary team are there to sell the show to audience. Not shit on things you don't like. They advertised a title match weeks in advance. They are using it to build someone in defeat. Also I used the hiac ppv as an example of wcw 2000 but use whatever headcannon you want. A few brawls and interference is not.
Are you intentionally missing my point? They don't need to shit on Darby Allin, but they need to question his chances. Make it seem as though they believe he has no chance so when he puts up a fight the fans are pleasantly surprised. It's story telling 101. An underdog has to be built up, not shoved down the throat of the fans. Everyone is using the Jeff Hardy example so I will too. He spent years working his way up, becoming loved by the fans where they actually wanted him to succeed, then he faced the Undertaker and nobody thought he had a chance but he showed that he was good enough to be in the ring with the main eventers. What has Allin done? Beaten Havoc and skateboarded down the ramp? Just adds fuel to the AEW can't tell stories crew. Jericho is the GOAT but he can only do so much for this company. Without him they are fucked
 
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