[RomeoBlues]

I'll go easy but AEW has way too many examples of where they jab their audience in the ribs in an attempt to give them the warm fuzzies from their childhood...

Examples:

Bullet Club Reformation (Which is actually an nWo knockoff itself)

Cinematic Matches (Lucha Underground knockoff)

Dark Order (Ministry Of Darkness knockoff)

Exploding Barbed Wire Match (FMW knockoff)

Extreme Violence (ECW/FMW knockoff)

FTW Championship (Blatantly stolen from ECW)

Heel Tony (Heel Vince knockoff)

Matt Hardy (I believe this rendition is either an ROH or TNA knockoff. His prior rendition was a TNA knockoff)

QT Marshall's Faction (Blatantly stolen from either New Blood or Nexus)

Sting (Doing the same thing he's been doing for 25 years)

Team Taz (Also an ECW rip off)

The Pinnacle (Four Horsemen knockoff)

Heavy reliance on nostalgia exists also with Christian, Big Show, Chris Jericho and many others being heavily involved in stories using the exact same gimmicks and characters that they have had for decades...

I know everything in wrestling has been done before but does it have to be so blatant...?

 

[PushCrymeTyme]

wrestling has been around for centuries there are no more original ideas

 

[RomeoBlues]

* wrestling has been around for centuries there are no more original ideas gtfo

Well aren't you friendly...

I did actually reference that everything in wrestling had been done before but also asked does it have to be so blatant...nobody wants to see the Horsemen or an nWo knockoff in 2021...

 

[Firefromthegods]

wrestling is cyclical its the nature of the business. But dark order is absolutly not a knock off of the ministry of darkness

 

[Thomazbr]

Some of those feel like a stretch to me. Like the hardcore matches one.
You can't really blame Matt Hardy on playing his gimmicks.

 

[holy]

Was just thinking the same thing earlier today.

The Tyson/Jericho brawl last year felt like an attempted rehash of Tyson/Austin from '98. Christian and Sting as their major signings feels similar to TNA bringing them both in the mid 2000s. The Bullet Club crap is a rip-off of NWO.

I could probably think of more examples.

 

[La Parka]

wrestling has been around for centuries there are no more original ideas

Surely there’s more ideas out than just ripping off ideas that have been ripped off a billion times before.

Who the hell wants to see a 30th version of a group that was ripped off from a more popular group in the 90s?

it would be like making another scary movie in 2021.

 

[NapperX]

I'll go easy but AEW has way too many examples of where they jab their audience in the ribs in an attempt to give them the warm fuzzies from their childhood...

Examples:

Bullet Club Reformation (Which is actually an nWo knockoff itself)

Cinematic Matches (Lucha Underground knockoff)

Dark Order (Ministry Of Darkness knockoff)

Exploding Barbed Wire Match (FMW knockoff)

Extreme Violence (ECW/FMW knockoff)

FTW Championship (Blatantly stolen from ECW)

Heel Tony (Heel Vince knockoff)

Matt Hardy (I believe this rendition is either an ROH or TNA knockoff. His prior rendition was a TNA knockoff)

QT Marshall's Faction (Blatantly stolen from either New Blood or Nexus)

Sting (Doing the same thing he's been doing for 25 years)

Team Taz (Also an ECW rip off)

The Pinnacle (Four Horsemen knockoff)

Heavy reliance on nostalgia exists also with Christian, Big Show, Chris Jericho and many others being heavily involved in stories using the exact same gimmicks and characters that they have had for decades...

I know everything in wrestling has been done before but does it have to be so blatant...?

You are terribly misleading.

Bischoff got the idea for NWO from an NJPW event back in 1996. Ironically, Bullet Club was formed in NJPW.

Cinematic Matches, Matt Hardy popularized this in Impact, and if you go back further to WM XII with the Hollywood Backlot Brawl you will realize that is actually one of the first Cinematic Matches in wrestling since it had many of the elements and techniques of it. WWE gave up on Cinematic style until Matt Hardy made that style popular again in Impact, and he is now with AEW. So your statement there is also misleading.

Dark Order is nothing like Ministry of Darkness other than both having the word Dark in it to symbolize a gothic gimmick. You are trying to create a link when there isn't even an odd correlation.

Exploding Barbed Wire DeathMatch? Look up IWA Kawasaki Dream 10/20/95 King of the Deathmatch Finals Barbed Wire Rope Exploding C4 Match Cactus Jack vs. Terry Funk. Nice try

Extreme Violence....wrong again, look up Brawling style, it started becoming popular in NWA territories, NWA even had a World Brass Knuckles Championship. So, nope not ECW.

FTW Championship is created and copyrighted by Taz, no nope.

Matt Hardy has created many characters over the years, and he has the rights to a few of them....so nope, kind of hard to plagiarize yourself lol.

QT's faction is another stable, totally different direction than New Blood and Nexus.

Sting deserves to retire by passing the torch to the younger generation, not to be used as a vendetta in WWE.

Team Taz? He's not really wrestling, he's more of a mentor here.

The Pinnacle is a Four Horsemen knockoff? explain how without going into how the 4 Horsemen is a knockoff of itself (incarnations), and the bible, and how they weren't even known as that in the beginning. Also, The Pinnacle has 5 active wrestlers, Four Horsemen literally had 4 at first with Dillon acting as manager. Just because Blanchard was part of the Four Horsemen doesn't mean he is the leader of The Pinnacle, nor is he ripping off his co-founding stable, he is hyping it for good reason, and it has no actual link to the previous stable, not even a correlation.

The whole point of The Pinnacle is to target The Inner Circle to create those legendary feuds between MJF Vs Sammy, FTR Vs Santana & Ortiz, Hager Vs Wardlow, etc.

Christian Cage made sense, he could mentor the younger generation and he still has a few good matches left in him. There is no Big Show, he is Paul Wight and his main role in AEW is commentary who will occasionally wrestle but will likely put over younger stars. Chris Jericho was exactly what AEW needed to start off with, plus he is grooming Sammy to be a face of AEW in the future, and the same with MJF.

Stables, and various types of matches have been around even before WCW, WWF, ECW, AEW, NWA etc.

Sting, Christian Cage, Paul Wight, Chris Jericho, Tully Blanchard are clearly there to help the younger generation.

 

[KYRA BATARA]

The nWo name is a knockoff of a popular conspiracy theory, while Sting (their main antagonist) was a knockoff of the movie The Crow. The Outsider's theme music was a knockoff of "Crazy" by Seal. The nWo theme song samples "Highway Chile" by Jimi Hendrix. Their hand signal was a knockoff of the Turkish Mafia.


Does that make your head hurt?

 

[zkorejo]

Nothing in wrestling is original, everything has been done, the best way to go about it is to do it differently with your own twist to it.

The nWo name is a knockoff of a popular conspiracy theory, while Sting (their main antagonist) was a knockoff of the movie The Crow. The Outsider's theme music was a knockoff of "Crazy" by Seal. The nWo theme song samples "Highway Chile" by Jimi Hendrix. Their hand signal was a knockoff of the Turkish Mafia.


Does that make your head hurt?

Exactly.

Not to mention Bishcoff got the idea for nWo from NJPW style of presentation and factions. That's where Bullet Club/Elite comes from too.

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Saying that wrestling has been around for centuries and is cyclical is absolute bullshit. I don’t buy that nonsense at all. You can come up with new ideas, you’re not trying hard enough.

When the nWo first came around it was a fresh concept on American TV. Fans genuinely felt like there was a real invasion happening. DX was a original idea. Steve Austin, The Rock, Mankind, Undertaker, these are original personas. Elimination Chamber is a fresh match that was never seen before. MITB is a fresh idea and gave the winners another means to win the title.

All AEW does is half ass its ideas and can’t properly execute it. Look at the lame brass ring match or casino royal. Everything they do appears gives of a low rent vibe, you don’t have to look no further than the "explosion" match . The only fresh match they had was that Orange match, which is a joke in itself.

 

[LifeInCattleClass]

This thread is a knockoff from a million like it before

 

[Impermanence]

Agree with that OP and @TheGreatBanana . AEW just feels.. Weird. TNA 2005, 2006 was original AF despite having Jeff Jarrett, Sting, Christian and Kurt Angle on the roster. You know why? The six sided ring, the X-division, and a more or less equal emphasis on storytelling and promos as well as wrestling, unlike the WWE(at least Raw) at the time. They even had a character like Abyss. All of that made TNA/Impact a bonafide Alternative to the WWE, at least for a few years until the WWE picked up workers like Ziggler, Bryan, Punk, Cesaro, Sheamus, Alberto Del Rio and others.. So while TNA started to become more and more WWE lite, the WWE started emphasizing the in-ring action MORE than it ever did.. Thus beating TNA's image in the fans eyes as an "alternative" Once and for all.

AEW has some great wrestlers but it's all over the place, tries too many things at once, has too many old legends/managers, too many factions... Or in short. .. No clear direction or vision.

 

[the_flock]

I get what the OP is saying. They just chose some bad examples.

People can say there are no original ideas and wrestling has been around for centuries, but there are original ideas. You just need someone creative to bring them out or to tweak another idea, such as turning a standard cage match in to the hell in a cell or Punjabi Prison match. That's original.

Unfortunately AEW has had original ideas, but they've sucked such as the Mimosa match.

In terms of storytelling, the OP is correct, there aren't any original ideas, unless you count arguing over computer games.

AEW does feel a lot like TNA in the mid naughties.

 

[The Wood]

Tony Khan isn’t very good. He draws on stuff he’s read about or has seen himself and he was a mark for when he was 15. He’s the perfect reflection of a guy who thought he could do this but actually doesn’t know what it properly involves.

 

[Jnewt]

I'll go easy but AEW has way too many examples of where they jab their audience in the ribs in an attempt to give them the warm fuzzies from their childhood...

Examples:

Bullet Club Reformation (Which is actually an nWo knockoff itself)

Cinematic Matches (Lucha Underground knockoff)

Dark Order (Ministry Of Darkness knockoff)

Exploding Barbed Wire Match (FMW knockoff)

Extreme Violence (ECW/FMW knockoff)

FTW Championship (Blatantly stolen from ECW)

Heel Tony (Heel Vince knockoff)

Matt Hardy (I believe this rendition is either an ROH or TNA knockoff. His prior rendition was a TNA knockoff)

QT Marshall's Faction (Blatantly stolen from either New Blood or Nexus)

Sting (Doing the same thing he's been doing for 25 years)

Team Taz (Also an ECW rip off)

The Pinnacle (Four Horsemen knockoff)

Heavy reliance on nostalgia exists also with Christian, Big Show, Chris Jericho and many others being heavily involved in stories using the exact same gimmicks and characters that they have had for decades...

I know everything in wrestling has been done before but does it have to be so blatant...?

So you want a show with no Factions, no gimmick matches, no cinematic matches, no violence, no management, and no veterans? You know, I saw this guy Ric Flair do an interview once, and son of a bitch but I think I saw AEW rip that off by having an interview. The monsters. You should add that to your list.

 

[Erik.]

Feel free to think up inventive fresh new entertaining ideas that have never happened in the last 100 years of wrestling.

I'll wait.

 

[KingofKings1524]

How many accounts does The Wood have?

 

[the_flock]

Feel free to think up inventive fresh new entertaining ideas that have never happened in the last 100 years of wrestling.

I'll wait.

People probably thought the same before every original idea ever happened.

It's all about taking an existing idea and adapting it, which then makes it an original idea.

With storylines, its easy to be original, there's literally thousands of storylines you could do. Look at all the million dollar tv series we have now, all taking an idea and taking it one step further. I bet people in the 80s thought, there's nothing original anyone could do because they've had everything. The same in the 90s, 00's and 10's.

 

[Geeee]

I guess the last wrestling promotion to really do anything original was Lucha Underground and before that, Vince in the 80s