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I mean GTA, Call of Duty, Skyrim, Red Dead Redemption, and so forth have some of the highest selling games of all time and all are rated M.

I don't think it's much to worry about.
It's not just about the sell

A rated m game can't be advertised for kids. It can't be a "family game" a lot of people who would pitch in on the game (advertising etc) will back out if it's m.
 

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"M" rated games are not, in fact, guaranteed hits — only an average percentage of titles sell enough copies to be commercially successful, not at all much different from any other rating or genre in the market. Furthermore, general industry wisdom actually claims "T" for Teen is the most profitable rating, for the same reason that many movies target the PG-13 ratings bracket — these are the highest unrestricted rating of their respective scales, combining the most creative freedom with the broadest possible
 

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Bingo. It will actually have the opposite effect, making people WANT to see what is what.
No it wouldn't. Again the rated m games people say sell good are the top 1%
This aew game won't sell 10% of any of those games.

M games do not bring sells. Again only the huge huge games sell well. Nosy m rated games done break even actually
 

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i mean…. Dead island then

or dead space

parents have been buying their kids horrible shit for ages, why are we pretending its gonna stop now?
Again look at the over all sells of m compared to teen.

Many M games DONT sell as well as teen. By all accounts outside of very successful m games.
Teen is better

Parents will buy the super popular m rated game.

They won't buy any random m rated game
 

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‘Many M games’ means nothing

we’re talking about a known property with an already dedicated fanbase
Aew has NO where near the fan base of ANY of the games you're talking about

Deadspace has over 8 million fans.

Aew has maybe a million (and not all of them play games)

Again most m rated games DONT sell well.

Aew doesn't have millions and millions of fans.

Being dedicated means nothing. Doesn't mean that they will buy the game. Watching wrestling and playing wrestling games are no where near 1 to 1
 

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elden ring, witcher 3, bioshock, skyrim - we gonna pretend they all had massive fanbases when they started out?

dead space did not start with 8m - it grew from 0 to 8m

just saying M doesn’t sell as well as…. does nothing, prove it - compare a known property’s sales when it was T vs M
Ellden ring. Yes, it was dark souls which is one of the most sucsesfull series of all time
Witcher 3. Once again yes, Witcher 3 was the 3rd game in the series witcher 1 and 2 were also rated m. Where is their glass shattering records? Oh that's right. They didn't.

Bioshock infinite had the most sells at 11 million.
The others had about 4x less then thay

Skyrim

Youre... kidding right? Skyrim is the 5TH main line game in one of the most popular game series of all time.

Their first game? Only had 3000 sales the first year.

 

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elden ring, witcher 3, bioshock, skyrim - we gonna pretend they all had massive fanbases when they started out?

dead space did not start with 8m - it grew from 0 to 8m

just saying M doesn’t sell as well as…. does nothing, prove it - compare a known property’s sales when it was T vs M

Dead space

Have over a million sales in first year and they still called it "unremarkable"

It didn't do great. Aew doesn't have a fan base that can pull 1.4 million without question.

What at all points to aew being able to for sure get 1.4 million copies sold?
 

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bro, nobody played witcher 1 and 2, c’mon

or any other skyrim

and even if they did…. The dedicated fanbases were small to decent size… like….. AEDub friend!

fact is, i have a google list of great selling M games and i just keep giving you examples, and you have yet to give me an example of a known property that sold better when it dropped its rating

like, give 3 examples and i’ll concede
No one played other skryims?
9.5 Million played oblivion. By your logic dead space games were bad as they sold less then oblivion.
Elder scrolls online sold 18 mil. That beats alnost ANY of your other games

Give an example of a game that GAINED counts when they went form t to m?

Youre showing sucsesfull m ratted games
no ones saying there are no sucsesfull m ratted games.



26 of the top 50 games ever released are Nintendo games.
 

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i’m saying M vs T will make no diff in a fighting game of this nature in sales

you’ve yet to give any proof to the contrary

you might as well say ‘minecraft is rated 8+, therefore it should be 8+ otherwise it will sell less’
You're the onenclaiming it should be M

Why should it be? Again you're whole point wss "they'll buy it anyway"

The fact that over 50% of the best selling games of all time are e to t at best shows that way more people buy those games then m rated games.

These people have access to data you don't have.
There is a reason mutiple games delay and work to get the t raiting

Their not doing it just cause. They know more then you do
 

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a T rating will make the mythical mom buyer happy

but this is not a game thats bought day 1 by the mythical mom - she is a unicorn like the mythical casual viewer

if the release it as is, the fanbase will buy it, and it its good, other fighting game enthusiasts will buy it and then the modern mom will bend over backwards to get it for her little monster if its popular

the rating doesn't affect that flow, its merely executives being executives
A wrestling game has NOTHING to do with fighting enthusiasts

It's not the same category at all.

A wrestling fan doesn't instalty say "oh boy I need the new mortal Kombat" nor does a fighting game say I need 2k23.
Wrestling games are NOT the same.


And experts who actually know the business and making a living ij marketing disagree with your view.

Executives being executives do it cause they've done it you never made a game. Never looked up sales
You just say "no one cares about the raitng" (tell me what's the % of adults who would buy a game for their kid?) You don't know these people have data and experience in the area.
 

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and the other 50%?

i can understand THQ wanting it T to hedge their bets on a new property, i just don't think it will make any difference - and i've seen no data of a sequel to an M game going T, or a remaster of an M game going T doing more sales to disprove my opinion
14 games are rated M

Of those 14 games

5 are call of duty games
3 are GTA
8 of the 14 are two series that are the exceptions, not the rules.
Meaning there is only 6 stand alone games on this list rated m.
Oh and other then gta 5 (which has like 150 mil sold)
The next m rated game has 38 mil and 30 mil for 4 of the m rated games.

There is a reason no other m rated game is even close to gta 5. It's an exception.



9 of the 14 are in the bottom are between 26-50
 

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Yeah

But these kids want to play as Darby Allin, not Uncle Howdy :sneaky:

The art style is less realistic, so it's only logical to fully capitalise on all the fun things you can do in this game that you can't do in WWE's simulation game. The most positive response to the game so far has been for the thumbtack video with someone bleeding everywhere. People really like those elements.

Minimising/eliminating blood for a T rating could make the game less appealing. If it's just a quick little resubmission, they might as well try... but really, nobody cares about the rating.
You don't care. Not nobody.

Do you think game companies struggle to get raitings becuse of.... nothing?

They don't know what their doing? They don't know more about advertising and other pacts that make T the safer bet for a good sell then M?
 

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i've actually made a game - 3 in fact

they were all shit - but i made them
And how much did they sell? Do you have data on selling records and the affect of raitings on who will and won't advertise your game if m rated?

They have it. There is a reason they forl the Starr want a T rated game

It's not just execs being execs. It's data, research and marketing all pointing to t being better suited for them.
 

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You're right. Call of Duty doesn't sell well with 8-12 year olds at all.
Once again you listed an exception to the rule.

By the way gta 5 has over 4x the amount of the BEST swelling call of duty games. And you could put all of the ones in the top 50 together and they still wouldn't touch gta v


Call of duty, and gta are exceptions. There the best of the best

Aew fight forever is not. It's selling will no way mimick or look like those two.
 

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Well when you release a product on literally every platform for 10 years straight in multiple re-releases, no wonder the sales figure is high. They've whored out that game more than enough so if it wasn't the case that'd be a fail. Honestly, I've played it multiple times, I don't think it's anything special and never did. The Online component that keeps it afloat is as interesting as a white painted wall drying. Anyways that's another thread....

As for the topic at hand, It's not but I see it selling well. Perhaps better than the more recent WWE 2K games. If not it would likely be comparable I'd wager.
How do you figuer?
Do you think evrey kid who watches wwe also watches aew?
Like wwe sells millions of copies.

Do we have any proof aew has millions of fans? And not only thay Do we know their also gamers?
Like how many fans do you think aew has?
 

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i’m saying M vs T will make no diff in a fighting game of this nature in sales

you’ve yet to give any proof to the contrary

you might as well say ‘minecraft is rated 8+, therefore it should be 8+ otherwise it will sell less’
Wwf attitude sold 1.7 mil
Ecw hardcore revolution (a game with the exact same engine just model swaps) didn't break 1 mil and was rated m

The rated t game with the EXACT same system sold better
Way better.

Wrestling fans didn't Swarm to buy the game and ecw was WAS more in to M ratted content then aew is
 

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nothing to do with the size of the companies And their reach?
Soooo like wwe who is a global company with billions of fans
And AEW who is a niche audience in America and possibly Canada?

You said they could rival wwe but you just showed that size matters.

It shows that aew doesn't have the number of fans wwe does and so zero reason to think they will be close

It shows that being rated m doesn't play a factor in getting more sells

They were the same game flipped. M raiting isn't the gate way to millions of buys.

You need audience and way more stuff
 

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Going by your metrics, MOST games don’t sell well. Golly gee! What a thought!
It's true actually
both dead space and GTA started at 0 at some point - and was never T

so, not sure what you don't get about the analogy
The point is you're listing the most successful possible games to say any game can do it

It's like saying becuse Amazon starred in a garbage ant one can do it.

It's not true. Their stand out special unique things where millions of others will not get the same success

Stop comparing any game to the hugest games we have.

Just cause gta v got to 250m sales doesn't mean aew release will get it q
and they SHOULDN'T be compared

It's a one in a million shot.
 
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