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Hangman could have gone without beating Janela at All In or winning the Casino Battle Royal or even losing without getting pinned in 4 way

The Bucks could have lost the 6 man tag at All in or at Fyter Fest

Not saying that they should have lost all of those, but maybe one or two of those. I guess putting over people is too damn hard
Janela was a nobody who only was in the match because of the Hangman/Joey Ryan storyline on BTE. The Title opportunity for the CBR came about because Pac dropped out. The winner of Pac/Hangman was probably going to go fight for the title. With Pac/Omega as the title match. Pac dropped out because he probably wasn't going to win the title while still holding the Dragon Gate title and that didn't work for them. Add the stip to the CBR, add Hangman as the Joker and have him win but set up a feud with MJF (who was probably going to win the CBR) and have something high profile feud since Hangman isn't going to win the belt. Jericho wins the title instead of Omega, which is the better choice honestly, and Mox feuds with Omega instead of Jericho. Pac screwed up a lot of potential storylines to be honest. I do agree about the 4way though. MJF should have won as an I'm sorry for the CBR.

As for the 6man tag at All-In, look who was in the match, The Bucks, Ibushi, Rey Mysterio, Rey Fenix, and Bandido. 5 of those guys are some of the best in the world and the other is a nobody there to take the pin, Bandido. The tag match at Fyter Fest, again 5 of the best wrestlers in the world and one who is a last min fill in, Laredo Kid. 1st Kenny gets a win after losing to Jericho so he doesn't look weak. 2nd Kid replaced Pac telegraphing the Pac/Omega title match at All Out. I got no problem with this booking.

Of course this is 100% speculation on my part but I'm just reading the tea leaves between the lines and educationally guessing.

Edit: man I wish it didn't take me so long to write this shit I missed so much convo
 

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I agree that the Young Bucks should've lost at All In to balance things out more. It was an exhibition match with no stakes on the line. It could've been a showing of good faith to the rest of the talent. At the very least they could've given Ibushi the pinfall lol. Every match needs to be judged on its own merits though. Top guys like Kenny and Moxley shouldn't be jobbing to guys just to hit some quota. You gotta protect the Bucks too ofc but again, losing at All In instead of going over in the main event would've set a better tone.
 

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There has been 3 matches. Omega lost at the first show. And again they all have matches at the next show so them winning makes sense. They have even said wins and losses matter e.g. Not losing before big matches. Also bucks probably would have lost a DON if AAA did not want the change to happen in Mexico.

It feels like you hate them and are judging way too quickly when all of their wins make sense. <img src="http://i.imgur.com/7KU7Fqx.png" border="0" alt="" title="Draper" class="inlineimg" />
Sorry if not giving them a free pass is "hating them"

FFS First they said that they didn't do a time limit draw between PAC and Hangman because they were against time limit draws... then the next show they have a time limit draw, so I guess the issue wasn't the time limit draw, but Hangman losing.
because DON is an actual ppv and fyter fest isnt so they can afford shit like time draw on fyter fest because it is FREE. The ideology is that people dont pay 50$ for a ppv just to see a match ends in dq or time draw, fyter fest isnt a ppv.
 

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Sorry if not giving them a free pass is "hating them"

FFS First they said that they didn't do a time limit draw between PAC and Hangman because they were against time limit draws... then the next show they have a time limit draw, so I guess the issue wasn't the time limit draw, but Hangman losing.
Wasn't the issue with PAC that he was going to beat Hangman but lose to Omega later on before the issues between them and Dragon Gate over said loss to Omega happened and it fucked up their plans? (this was the report anyway from what I remember)

And sure they shouldn't be given a free pass but the only ones that really could be argued against are the all in main event (cause it didn't matter who won there since it was just there so they could have eaten the loss) Hangman getting the title shot in the first place and maybe young bucks vs Lucha Bros (though that was more likely a AAA decision given the Lucha Bros ended up getting the titles back anyway in Mexico)

Every other result made sense in the grand scheme of things. Obviously if it becomes more of a trend as events go on you have a right to complain then and being worried they might do that is valid. But acting like they already are when nearly every victory the elite got made sense is a bit off.
 

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I agree that the Young Bucks should've lost at All In to balance things out more. It was an exhibition match with no stakes on the line. It could've been a showing of good faith to the rest of the talent. At the very least they could've given Ibushi the pinfall lol. Every match needs to be judged on its own merits though. Top guys like Kenny and Moxley shouldn't be jobbing to guys just to hit some quota. You gotta protect the Bucks too ofc but again, losing at All In instead of going over in the main event would've set a better tone.
All In was a one off event with no long term booking plans necessary. Considering they were putting up the money they were going to put over their "brand" at the event.

DoN they won because AAA wanted Lucha Bros to win the their titles back on an AAA show.

So basically the whole grounds for argument is Bucks and Kenny should have lost at Fyterfest. But Lucha Bros won most recently and having a two match winning streak hurts the overall feud and more importantly Kenny Omega lost to Jericho at DoN and probably loses to Mox at All Out. Omega winning the 6-man tag and then beating Cima - yeah he needs those wins.

(Omega lost to Don Callis prior to DoN for crying out loud - he's not worried about wins and losses as much as he should be given he's largely an unknown to NA fans).

And Cody Rhodes should have lost to Goldust, debuting Darby Allin or Shawn Spears now? With Mox, Omega, Jericho all booked who could Cody be booked to lose against that makes a lick of sense given his position in the company and on the card.
 

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Here's the way I see it and this is for regulars and for newbies I would suggest we give it until the TV tapings and allow a few weeks for things to progress and then make a real judgment on the product ...just my opinion... I'm also new to most of this talent aside from Jericho Cody Dustin a d Moxley.
 

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All In was a one off event with no long term booking plans necessary. Considering they were putting up the money they were going to put over their "brand" at the event.

DoN they won because AAA wanted Lucha Bros to win the their titles back on an AAA show.

So basically the whole grounds for argument is Bucks and Kenny should have lost at Fyterfest. But Lucha Bros won most recently and having a two match winning streak hurts the overall feud and more importantly Kenny Omega lost to Jericho at DoN and probably loses to Mox at All Out. Omega winning the 6-man tag and then beating Cima - yeah he needs those wins.

(Omega lost to Don Callis prior to DoN for crying out loud - he's not worried about wins and losses as much as he should be given he's largely an unknown to NA fans).

And Cody Rhodes should have lost to Goldust, debuting Darby Allin or Shawn Spears now? With Mox, Omega, Jericho all booked who could Cody be booked to lose against that makes a lick of sense given his position in the company and on the card.
It's a bad look to put yourself over in the main event of your first show no matter how you slice it. They might not have known they'd get Khan to back them up but they admitted that they planned to host more shows in the future even if it was just an annual event. I don't know why you're bringing up all these other matches when I only cited the one that I disagreed with and said every match needs to be judged on its own merits. I was against Kenny losing to Callis too. I never said he was overly concerned with wins and losses.
 

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..... fookin hell

This section used to be the most positive place on the forum

Now its just overrun with humongous mongoloids

Ps> if you think i’m talking about you.... i most likely am
 

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God forbid a place isn't a circle-jerk 24/7. I've noticed a pretty childish response to any criticism AEW have gotten since Fyter Fest. Not just towards obvious trolls like Phee either. Apparently you can't have any issues without being a WWE shill in disguise or something. I have faith in AEW going forward. Doesn't mean there aren't any flaws or concerns to point out.
 

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Wins and losses currently are too insignificant to matter. They'll set up your next match but there's no title in play for anyone. Whoever the Lucha Bros face below the Bucks, they are likely to win (Smash Bros or Best Friends most likely). I'd also wager that if they stay as a team going forward, they are 100% the first champions and will get the showcase matches. As for Omega, him going over the guy not signed to a deal going into his announced matches with CIMA & Moxley is within reason. Omega is 100% losing to Moxley. Getting two pinfall victories to counterbalance his two defeats is again within reason. Gives him the pick of the litter for most-All Out plans.

None of the 'starting fathers' have reason to lose currently. They are the draws and who people are paying to watch.
 

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As far as the elite winning it makes sense they are basically the only maineventers they have ( after all Shawn spears is pretty high on the card). I am shocked though that the lucha brothers are the one being sacrificed to make the young bucks look good. I would like for them to have at least split the matches and lucha brother win one of the two. I hope they don’t cross paths again for a long long while. Have the young bucks fued with the dark order and lucha brothers fued with private party, or hager and angelico
 

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I have been a pretty vocal critic of AEW so far and even I think the particular critique of the Elite winning too much is ridiculous. To start they are being portrayed as main event guys in the promotion and main event stars SHOULD be winning a very high percentage of their matches. Secondly, they have had two shows as a promotion. If we are two years down the road and the Elite have won say 99 out of every 100 matches they have to the detriment of everyone else then we can have this discussion.
 

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Dustin Rhodes has done more to sell DON and FFTF to me than anyone else <img src="http://i.imgur.com/r4mH5hF.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Clap" class="inlineimg" />
his promo set the done very fast , he isnt gonna take any of the young bucks' bullshit. He is gonna bodyslma them to death. These guys can tell a story and put people over. They know a margin of wrestling fans hate young buck's style and they are gonna use this to get dustin over as a badass
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As far as the elite winning it makes sense they are basically the only maineventers they have ( after all Shawn spears is pretty high on the card). I am shocked though that the lucha brothers are the one being sacrificed to make the young bucks look good. I would like for them to have at least split the matches and lucha brother win one of the two. I hope they don’t cross paths again for a long long while. Have the young bucks fued with the dark order and lucha brothers fued with private party, or hager and angelico
the lucha bros wod have won if AAA didnt make the call. Because the bros winning the title back in their town is much better.

Also wtf is wrong with this ace? Everyone complain about "why are you criticising arw you are a shill" and on the other side people complain about the fact that other people complain on their complaint?
Tf? It's a forum you post your ideas,messages and critics and people reply , this whole wwe shill etc etc is ridiculously childish. That's why I am not hard into wrestling forums, adults acting like kids isnt it guys. And people complaing about the lack of positivity isnt better, if you cant accept the fact that not everyone is fapping together in a rainbow circle while chanting cody then find a safe space. Geez
 

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I heard a little bird tweet that Shida and Kenny are an item

Not that it is news or anything - just interesting to note
I heard they were years ago during his DDT run, maybe they still are. I wouldn't be shocked as both as massive geeks about MCU and Video games, they seem perfect for each other. They are both very good at hiding it if they still are, I know in Japan any wrestling talent keep their love lives secret as fan's over there send death threats to wrestler's or their partners.
 

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I don't know about the others but Riho, Shida, and Yuka are on-board fully with AEW, so I don't see why you would need to hypothetically take away the joshi talent and list off only the Western talents.
No word yet on if Riho is signing full time, she's only on a contract for 5 PPV's and she sees if America and AEW suits her. Yuka, no word if she's full time as she's in the semi final of TJPW version of the New Japan Cup and they would have announced by now if she was going full time. So neither of them are for sure full time roster members yet.

Shida is the only one.

Remember theirs the Joshi division that's happening too, so it's going to be apart from the women's division I assume. That's why I placed them apart.
 

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I don't know about the others but Riho, Shida, and Yuka are on-board fully with AEW, so I don't see why you would need to hypothetically take away the joshi talent and list off only the Western talents.
No word yet on if Riho is signing full time, she's only on a contract for 5 PPV's and she sees if America and AEW suits her. Yuka, no word if she's full time as she's in the semi final of TJPW version of the New Japan Cup and they would have announced by now if she was going full time. So neither of them are for sure full time roster members yet.

Shida is the only one.

Remember theirs the Joshi division that's happening too, so it's going to be apart from the women's division I assume. That's why I placed them apart.
i also heard riho was full and was moving. I dont remember where, but I remember reading it.
Yuka was also trying to see if it fits her. I remember her saying on twitter she loved DON and she was all over it ( their crowd reaction certainly convinced her) and after fyter feat it was the same she loved it. ( she is even already doing political as she said on twitter she wants the ayayayaya song back<img src="http://i.imgur.com/EGDmCdR.gif?1?6573" border="0" alt="" title="Laugh" class="inlineimg" /> <img src="http://i.imgur.com/EGDmCdR.gif?1?6573" border="0" alt="" title="Laugh" class="inlineimg" />) ( and after fyter fest I am 100% they ain't letting yuka go, her connection with the crowd is fantastic and her reaction was great.
 
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