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Fair enough. :woah

But AEW should look to depth the division fairly soon with the title debuting in August.
The only things I would mark AEW down so far for would be the comedy stuff and the lack of really top workers in the women's division. I still think if you take away the Joshi talent, I think their best women workers come from that side. You are left with some some solid talent in Britt, Penople, Kylie and Bea. Some talent that are still green but have potential in Sadie and Nyla and lot of meh at best in the rest.

I think someone like a Tenille wouldn't overnight make it a better division but she's a solid talent if she give 100%. I think they still need another 3 at the most very good in ring workers to really at least make that division respectable. You can't depend on the Joshi talent to carry it. You will need interesting feuds with non Japanese talent.
 

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The only things I would mark AEW down so far for would be the comedy stuff and the lack of really top workers in the women's division. I still think if you take away the Joshi talent, I think their best women workers come from that side. You are left with some some solid talent in Britt, Penople, Kylie and Bea. Some talent that are still green but have potential in Sadie and Nyla and lot of meh at best in the rest.

I think someone like a Tenille wouldn't overnight make it a better division but she's a solid talent if she give 100%. I think they still need another 3 at the most very good in ring workers to really at least make that division respectable. You can't depend on the Joshi talent to carry it. You will need interesting feuds with non Japanese talent.
I don't know about the others but Riho, Shida, and Yuka are on-board fully with AEW, so I don't see why you would need to hypothetically take away the joshi talent and list off only the Western talents.
 

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Well you have:

- Britt Baker
- Kylie Rae
- Nyla Rose
- Hikaru Shida
- Riho
- Yuka
- Sadie Gibbs
- Bea Priestley (?)
- Allie
- Leva Bates
- Brandi Rhodes

Brandi really shouldn't be wrestling. Allie and Leva, especially at Fyter Fest, should be your filler talent on the bottom of the card. I know AEW is going to look at Britt Baker as the franchise of the division but I think Hikaru or even Kylie would be the better fit here as your inaugural champion.
 

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you are not thinking too much.thats how the bucks do it, they have a very subtle story telling that almost makes it a shoot.
Sqme with omega, he is going for all the elite stuff and then Moxley will bring back the Cleaner character back out of him. If you listened at the end of the fyter fest PPV after the beat down Gym Ross put the emphasis on the fact that it night be moxley's intention to bring back the violent/aggressive omega ( which was his character when he was at his pick).
( however this one is a story they already told in japan, where kenny fuck around, badass motherfucker comes out--> beat the shit out of kenny--> kenny is forced to change his character to survive. But I guess they are doing it for the first time in the us audience to establish his character. Thats why you might have the feeling that his character isnt very clear. He is still building it here.
To give you a clue, watch back their tag match against the lucha bro and Laredo kid. Omega plays along with the bucks doing all the flashy stuffs and when they say its 10 minutes left, he stop doing any flips and become aggressive, beat the shit out of laredo kid , hit his finisher and pins him. And then he comes out in a brutal way to murder Moxley, but there are still little glimpse of the the "elite-kenny" where he plays around a bit.
It's a slow and methodical character work, at all out when the show ends, omega will be back to his cleaner/best bout machine character. It's interesting because when they do it that way it's absolutely real, for example, the people will take the Rhodes brother as the badass who dont play along and wilm be happy when they kick the young bucks ass. ( that's how you work the smark in 2019) you use their knowledge of the business and their tendency to over analyse and criticise and turn it against them and they dont even realise they ( we) are being worked. Lol
Wish i could like this more than once

This x 10000
lol, and it's funny because the smark always ALWAYS gets worked by the Elite but still dont see why. The bucks will mock the emotional match of the Rhodes brother at DON and people will be legitimately pissed "meuhhh omg the bucks are goody! They dont take anything seriously rehgh" and at the end of the night when the old badass dustin will bring his ass and kick them old style we are all gonna pop, but people would have been worked.
Like the omega thing, thats how omega got big, going from a heel/goofy version of the cleaner--> everyone ( blablabla he has so much potential he should play a more serious character, he doesn't realise it blablabla) fuckers you think the guy doesnt know where he wants to go and what his potential is and you a fan have got more clue about who Kenny omega should be than the man himself?! Lol and then when he went into the big league of njpw ( going for the big titles etc) he fluidly and logically changed his character in an organic way....and everyone started sucking him.

If omega brings badass Kenny right at the beginning of aew. Ok he is that "badass guy that had good matches in japan" is all he is gonna be( this here is something that he said himself in an interview). But by including a storyline with Moxley ( his principal rival) bringing the badass out of him. 1) he links his character to the american audience 2)he establishes a long term, rivalry and relationship with a big name Moxley.....wait I have seen that somewhere! OHHH that's what he did with okada and ibushi! Waow much surprise lol.

People thinking wrestlers are dumb and clueless because they read the observer and get some backstage news will never not be funny to me. The only thing you have to do, is look at the story being told and you will see everything. In 2019 the best way to be a smark is to accept that you are a mark and accept the stories. <img src="http://i.imgur.com/EGDmCdR.gif?1?6573" border="0" alt="" title="Laugh" class="inlineimg" />
Well you have:

- Britt Baker
- Kylie Rae
- Nyla Rose
- Hikaru Shida
- Riho
- Yuka
- Sadie Gibbs
- Bea Priestley (?)
- Allie
- Leva Bates
- Brandi Rhodes

Brandi really shouldn't be wrestling. Allie and Leva, especially at Fyter Fest, should be your filler talent on the bottom of the card. I know AEW is going to look at Britt Baker as the franchise of the division but I think Hikaru or even Kylie would be the better fit here as your inaugural champion.
i always say this, but being the face of a division doesnt mean that you are going to be the best,portrayed as the best or anything. Will you be a top talent? Yes. But being the faceeis just a marketing thing. Baker is a working doctor , with a good look and decent wrestler, and she can ally her work as a dentist and her wrestling career. A woman who does two job, kicks wrestler and doctor. Marketable marketable my friend.
But from what I have seen and heard from them, kylie rae is in their books and anyone who watched DON knows Shida is one of the cornerstone. In fact she was the first joshi to be signed full time.
 

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Can't wait for the Cody/Dustin vs the Bucks to end up as another time limit draw so both remain undefeated because the Elite don't put over anyone, not even themselves :lol
 

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Omega lost against Jéricho.
Literally the only lost the core members of the Elite have had in 3 events booked by them. The Lucha Bros are to the Elite what the Miz is to Shane McMahon :lol
 

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Literally the only lost the core members of the Elite have had in 3 events booked by them. The Lucha Bros are to the Elite what the Miz is to Shane McMahon :lol

So tell me, storywise was it logical for Cody to beat Dustin ?
Would it have been logical for Darby to beat Cody (knowing that Darby will not be one of the top guy) ?

Omega lost against Jéricho because storywise it was logical.

Also you want to know why The Bucks won against the Lucha bros at DON ?

Because AAA wanted the the Lucha Bros to win the title back in a AAA PPV.
 

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So tell me, storywise was it logical for Cody to beat Dustin ?
Would it have been logical for Darby to beat Cody (knowing that Darby will not be one of the top guy) ?

Omega lost against Jéricho because storywise it was logical.

Also you want to know why The Bucks won against the Lucha bros at DON ?

Because AAA wanted the the Lucha Bros to win the title back in a AAA PPV.
Hangman could have gone without beating Janela at All In or winning the Casino Battle Royal or even losing without getting pinned in 4 way

The Bucks could have lost the 6 man tag at All in or at Fyter Fest

Not saying that they should have lost all of those, but maybe one or two of those. I guess putting over people is too damn hard
 

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Omega lost against Jéricho.
Literally the only lost the core members of the Elite have had in 3 events booked by them. The Lucha Bros are to the Elite what the Miz is to Shane McMahon <img src="http://i.imgur.com/EGDmCdR.gif?1?6573" border="0" alt="" title="Laugh" class="inlineimg" />
Marty scrull is a core member and lost to okada. Cody drawing with Darby also put darby over. You do realise that booking your top stars strong is important? The elite are among their top stars. Whether you hate them or not they are and they see hangman as a future star. All the people who won at fyter fest have matches coming up. Also SCU all lost and pretty sure you counted them as the elite at double or nothing. AAA most likely wanted the titles to be win back in Mexico.
 

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Marty scrull is a core member and lost to okada. Cody drawing with Darby also put darby over. You do realise that booking your top stars strong is important? The elite are among their top stars. Whether you hate them or not they are and they see hangman as a future star. All the people who won at fyter fest have matches coming up. Also SCU all lost and pretty sure you counted them as the elite at double or nothing. AAA most likely wanted the titles to be win back in Mexico.
I give you CD losing to CIMA, but in the tag match SCU didn't got pinned, PP did. They could easily have done with Hangman at the 4 way and book the winner against Hangman at this show. Also, Okada doesn't count, he is fucking Okada, he doesn't even lose in NJPW, he is not coming to do a job to Marty Scurll. Until the Elite actually book themselves to lose more matches I will have my doubts.
 

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Marty scrull is a core member and lost to okada. Cody drawing with Darby also put darby over. You do realise that booking your top stars strong is important? The elite are among their top stars. Whether you hate them or not they are and they see hangman as a future star. All the people who won at fyter fest have matches coming up. Also SCU all lost and pretty sure you counted them as the elite at double or nothing. AAA most likely wanted the titles to be win back in Mexico.
I give you CD losing to CIMA, but in the tag match SCU didn't got pinned, PP did. They could easily have done with Hangman at the 4 way and book the winner against Hangman at this show. Also, Okada doesn't count, he is fucking Okada, he doesn't even lose in NJPW, he is not coming to do a job to Marty Scurll. Until the Elite actually book themselves to lose more matches I will have my doubts.
So make hangman look weak going into a title match with a top star like jericho? This is why champions feel weak in wwe. You make your champions and challengers look strong so they mean something especially babyfaces.

For example the booking of your favs the iiconics is the exact opposite of how to build a champion. Never around, when around losing all the time. Iiconics should be picking up wins via cheating instead they look like jokes. Same with rollins as wwe champion years ago losing all the time or when jinder randomly became wwe champion.

Also you can look good in defeat. Private party did and now I am invested in them. Darby allin looked good (though the post-match assault kind of in hindsight took attention off him) drawing with Cody.
 

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So make hangman look weak going into a title match with a top star like jericho? This is why champions feel weak in wwe. You make your champions and challengers look strong so they mean something especially babyfaces.

For example the booking of your favs the iiconics is the exact opposite of how to build a champion. Never around, when around losing all the time. Iiconics should be picking up wins via cheating instead they look like jokes. Same with rollins as wwe champion years ago losing all the time or when jinder randomly became wwe champion.

Also you can look good in defeat. Private party did and now I am invested in them. Darby allin looked good (though the post-match assault kind of in hindsight took attention off him) drawing with Cody.
If you can look good in defeat why aren't booking themselves to lose more then? They are established names, they can afford to lose once.
 

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I give you CD losing to CIMA, but in the tag match SCU didn't got pinned, PP did. They could easily have done with Hangman at the 4 way and book the winner against Hangman at this show. Also, Okada doesn't count, he is fucking Okada, he doesn't even lose in NJPW, he is not coming to do a job to Marty Scurll. Until the Elite actually book themselves to lose more matches I will have my doubts.
This is so stupid XD

They will loose if it's the good thing to do storywise. They're not going to loose because they won the previous match or the 4 previous matches….

What you want is called 50/50 booking
 

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So make hangman look weak going into a title match with a top star like jericho? This is why champions feel weak in wwe. You make your champions and challengers look strong so they mean something especially babyfaces.

For example the booking of your favs the iiconics is the exact opposite of how to build a champion. Never around, when around losing all the time. Iiconics should be picking up wins via cheating instead they look like jokes. Same with rollins as wwe champion years ago losing all the time or when jinder randomly became wwe champion.

Also you can look good in defeat. Private party did and now I am invested in them. Darby allin looked good (though the post-match assault kind of in hindsight took attention off him) drawing with Cody.
If you can look good in defeat why aren't booking themselves to lose more then? They are established names, they can afford to lose once.
There has been 3 matches. Omega lost at the first show. And again they all have matches at the next show so them winning makes sense. They have even said wins and losses matter e.g. Not losing before big matches. Also bucks probably would have lost a DON if AAA did not want the change to happen in Mexico.

It feels like you hate them and are judging way too quickly when all of their wins make sense. :draper2
 

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There has been 3 matches. Omega lost at the first show. And again they all have matches at the next show so them winning makes sense. They have even said wins and losses matter e.g. Not losing before big matches. Also bucks probably would have lost a DON if AAA did not want the change to happen in Mexico.

It feels like you hate them and are judging way too quickly when all of their wins make sense. :draper2
Sorry if not giving them a free pass is "hating them"

FFS First they said that they didn't do a time limit draw between PAC and Hangman because they were against time limit draws... then the next show they have a time limit draw, so I guess the issue wasn't the time limit draw, but Hangman losing.
 

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You'd think that people would at least wait more than 2 shows to see how the storytelling plays out before demanding the Elite start losing all the time just to show they lose.

Stories and excitement put butts in the seats. Not 50/50 booking.
 

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There has been 3 matches. Omega lost at the first show. And again they all have matches at the next show so them winning makes sense. They have even said wins and losses matter e.g. Not losing before big matches. Also bucks probably would have lost a DON if AAA did not want the change to happen in Mexico.

It feels like you hate them and are judging way too quickly when all of their wins make sense. <img src="http://i.imgur.com/7KU7Fqx.png" border="0" alt="" title="Draper" class="inlineimg" />
Sorry if not giving them a free pass is "hating them"

FFS First they said that they didn't do a time limit draw between PAC and Hangman because they were against time limit draws... then the next show they have a time limit draw, so I guess the issue wasn't the time limit draw, but Hangman losing.
Expect that is what your criticisms come across as mostly. Especially page winning the 4 way. He is going into a title match with a legend of the business so needs to look strong. Anyone else winning is dumb. Would I have him as the person facing jericho? No but now he is you make him look strong. 50/50 booking is a massive problem with wwe yet you want it here. Top stars should only lose if there is a reason, not because you think they should lose once in a while when they have had 3 shows.

I agree with that part being silly of them but doing time limit draw would have led to a triple threat and it seems like they wanted a 1 vs 1 for the first aew title match.
 

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Mordecay booking a wrestling company :

"so A beat B last week so this week B is going to beat A then A is going to win again and after that B beat A again. To finish we will have a rubber match between A and B"
 
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