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Abdullah the Butcher is underrated

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#1 ·
I never hear this guy mentioned anymore. I think he deserves more props than what he gets, as he is the original king of hardcore wrestling. He had a great gimmick -- HUGE, vicious, insane butcher from arid Sudan. If you wanted to see a bloodbath, you saw an Abdullah match. He seemed to have little regard for his own personal safety and even made himself bleed more often than not (I think I read somewhere that he bladed his forehead so much that he used to impress people at casinos by putting chips in the divots of his forehead)

The GOAT of hardcore wrestling. :)
 
#2 ·
While Abdulah is no where near the greatest in technical aspects such as being a worker (Abby was a poor worker obviously), playing a face or cutting promos (obviously), Butcher's impact on wrestling is quite profound, as at the time the things that he was pulling with the excessive blading and the violent style of wrestling were quite revolutionary and hadn't been seen yet on the scale abdulah displayed.

The original Sheik is credited with Abby for inventing hardcore wrestling to the mainstream, but the sheik's heel heat derived more from intimidation and playing the part of a pshychopath instead of being bloodlusted. Blood and weapon wrestling was quite uncommon before the Butcher innovated the depths at which you could go to entertain the fans who aren't squemish. A young fan might say "big deal the guy jabbed at people with a fork and made them bleed so what". Well Abdulah's ability to draw as the original hardcore monster layed the foundation for hardcore wrestling to be expanded to what it is today, hence Abby has directly or indrectly influenced such hardcore legends as Terry Funk, Mick Foley, ECW as a whole and CZW to name a few examples.
While Abdulah was not the first big man wrestler to utilize brawling, his slow pacing and heel psychology much like the Original Sheik layed down the blueprint for future brawling big men who would later expand this style like Bruiser Brody and Stan Hansen (coincidentally also 2 men who teamed together in Japan finding huge success there and in Brody's case is regarded as an North American legend as well)

Abdulah when working as a face ( a rarity) would also be known for comebacks after absorbing alot of punishmets, which of course is pretty trend setting as this role is ususally reversed, since ususally the biggest threat slowly chases the smaller pray and once fought against loses. While I am unsure if Abby was the first to make comebacks for super heavyweights, I would imagine it would, and if it is then perhaps this little piece of wrestling opened the door for Undertaker and Hulk Hogan to belivably do the same thing despite the fact that like Abby, they have the size advantage in most of their matchups.

Perhaps Abbie's greatest atribute is his longevity in the business, a trait that every IWC critic should hold in mind when evaluating the greatness of a wrestler. As previously mentioned, in an business where 20 years is considered quite a feat, Abdulah had 5 total decades, remaining pretty relevant right up until the mid 90s. Wrestling everyone from Thez to Hogan at some point, Abdulah may not have an GOAT catalogue by any stretch, but he has many matches particularly in Japan that are seen as revolutionary in hardcore wrestling, particularly his feud with Carlos Calon in Puerto Rico.
 
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#3 ·
I had a thought about Abdullah recently...has he EVER had a match that wasn't bloody? There are guys who used to bleed often (Tully and Flair come to mind), but even they were only in bloody bouts maybe 1 out of 5 matches. I've personally never seen Abdullah in a non-bloodbath, but I wonder if such a match even exists?

I always loved the guy...rarely got to see him so it was something special when I did get to.
 
#10 ·
Yep, a young wrestler called Devon Nicholson had his career cut short when WWE tested him positive for Hep C and refused to take him on. He attributes it to Abdullah - he is trying to sue but Abdullah is refusing to take a test. To me, that speaks volumes. Billy Graham was disgusted that Abdullah was inducted into the hall of fame and actually asked to come out of it. Hogan has also complained about Abdullah cutting him without permission.
 
#11 ·
Don't know the guy personally, but from his interviews and what people have said about him, he seems like such an asshole. I don't even care that Im probably going to get a bunch of hate from his fans, but he sucks as a wrestler. Hes not safe, he's sloppy, no wrestling skills, and he relies on his hardcore style for people to even watch him. I'll always hate him for ruining a guys career.
 
#12 ·
For the poster who couldn't recall any bloodless Butcher bouts....

Abby did have a few matches with zero juice believe it or not. Off the top of my head.....his 1990/91 WCW stint wasn't too bloody as they were copying the WWE's family friendly stance at that time so blading was a no no unless your name rhymed with Thick Hair. Of course, the infamous Chamber Of Horrors match was very bloody though.

He had a match against Nobuhiko Takada in 1996 that was claret free.

His 1990 All Japan run was pretty much bloodless too.

I think the percentage is about 90/10 though haha. I had a bunch of his matches on my youtube channel but removed them due to a depressing number of views they were getting but I'm gonna re-upload them in the interests of historic preservation ;p

As for Abdullah being underrated.....in his day he could really move. I'm talking back in like 1973 though, way before his breasts started going around his back and stuff. He just started relying more and more on the hardcore stab your face in type matches. It makes sense if you think about it....He worked in the industry for 50 years. I doubt he would have managed that if he had stuck to bumping around the ring. Equal sadist, Mr Pogo did the same thing. Plus, they probably got stronger reactions and more pay for doing the violent stuff.

His 1982 match with Hogan is really good and I'd show that to anyone who said Abby can't work. He got a good match out of Hogan which is pretty tricky I imagine. I always thought a Hogan vs Butcher feud in the 80s could've been money. One of the great wrestling feuds that never was.

I'd say he's underrated in the sense that most people havent seen his best stuff and base their judgement solely on workrate rather than the psychology of a bloodthirsty maniac who isn't interested in holds. If his detractors are insistant on being stuck in that mentality of 'only workrate matters' then their small mindedness is stopping them from seeing what I and others see. Plus he never claimed to be a wrestler either. He was a butcher, a freak who wanted to shove a fork into your brain. Watch his matches and many of them ended with him being DQ'd because he was portraying a maniac and he didn't care about winning a match. Isn't that what a genuine lunatic would do? Or should a lunatic use greco roman style holds according to them? A lunatic who understands and follows petty rules and systems. ok that'll work....on planet retard.

Devon Nicholson maybe should've considered the presence on earth of the hep C virus before embarking on a career which voluntarily involves blood sharing. Didn't he know about blood diseases until he caught one? Idiot. WWE probably didn't hire him because he's a balding and ugly pacman looking motherf*cker with no talent or charisma. All these guys singing his praises are his friends...Honky Tonk Man, Duggan etc. They're his pals so they're not gonna say he stinks in the ring are they? Plus he probably just slips them a small cash bribe to say that stuff. It's pathetic how Nicholson is using his disease to get publicity that he couldn't get with just wrestling. Why doesn't he just do a Hep C Cure on a pole match and have done with it?exploit his illness fully?
Doing videos of himself crying about how unfair it is that WWE didn't hire him is cringeworthy to me. They don't owe him a thing. He's an indy nobody who we are only discussing because of his disease. His disease is his gimmick. Thats how I see the guy in my mind...hannibal the diseased hep c guy. Thats not my fault either...its his. He goes on about his disease in every other video I see him in. The other ones involve desperately fake worked shoot angles backstage with lanny poffo and the like.
 
#18 ·
Hmmm... surprisingly, Bret speaks very highly of Abby in his book.
 
#19 ·
Abdullah was talented at what he did back in the 70's, 80's and however long he wrestled. He would be seen as a true legend if it weren't for his personality.

First of all, someone said above Abby wrestling and bleeding whilst having the Hep C virus is disgusting. Right on! He's lucky he isn't in jail for that and is only getting sued. If someone gave me something like that I'd be horrified. If it cost me my dream job I'm pretty sure I'd spiral into a depression.

Secondly, Abby is known as a carny just like Virgil. You don't hear about it as much because Abdullah doesn't run around the convention circuit as much but he's just as bad as Virgil. Pressures people into buying forks for 25 dollars, charges way too much and isn't polite at all.

So yes, he was an innovator and he was entertaining but the fact that he's a scumbag makes people overlook that. Just like how people overlook Chris Benoit's talents because he murdered 2 people.
 
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Well, like him or not, he was a decent draw wherever he went, and was ranked as the #81 wrestler of all-time, so apparently he's had some impact.

He now runs Abdullah the Butcher's House of Ribs & Chinese Food in Atlanta.
 
#23 ·
Abby is a piece of shit indeed, it's common sense, I probably wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire, but regarding his ringwork, he's also one of the greatest heels in pro-wrestling history. His AJPW work from the 70s and the 80s is legendary. His territory work was great as well. Abby and Sheik were huge international attractions in the world of pro-graps.
 
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#24 ·
Hannibal is Hep C free now? He should tryout for WWE again then. They have no excuse not to hire him now.

Someone of his calibre, with glowing references from Hacksaw Jim Duggan and Leaping Lanny Poffo he could be headlining WrestleMania this time next year.

I know I'd order a Pay Per View featuring Hannibal The Hep C Indy Guy. I'm sure billions of others would too.

So let's say Hannibal manages to get time away (from doing those transparent and cringeworthy worked shoot angles with old timers backstage at indy shows)to work a tryout match for WWE and show them his awesome abilities. What if they don't hire him again? I mean I can't see why they wouldn't now but it could happen.
What reason would Hannibal use then? Racism against Canadians? That would work. He could liken it to Bret being screwed and start a whole conspiracy theory about Vince McMahon being staunchly racist against people of canadian origin.

If they do neglect to employ him, at least it will give him more fodder to cry and wet his pants on youtube for a while longer.
 
#25 ·
Hannibal is Hep C free now? He should tryout for WWE again then. They have no excuse not to hire him now.

Someone of his calibre, with glowing references from Hacksaw Jim Duggan and Leaping Lanny Poffo he could be headlining WrestleMania this time next year.

I know I'd order a Pay Per View featuring Hannibal The Hep C Indy Guy. I'm sure billions of others would too.

So let's say Hannibal manages to get time away (from doing those transparent and cringeworthy worked shoot angles with old timers backstage at indy shows)to work a tryout match for WWE and show them his awesome abilities. What if they don't hire him again? I mean I can't see why they wouldn't now but it could happen.
What reason would Hannibal use then? Racism against Canadians? That would work. He could liken it to Bret being screwed and start a whole conspiracy theory about Vince McMahon being staunchly racist against people of canadian origin.

If they do neglect to employ him, at least it will give him more fodder to cry and wet his pants on youtube for a while longer.
The fuck?