[seabs]

Seth Rollins finishing #9 on a WKO 100 list is pretty crazy. In a good way. As is Ishii finishing so high on one of these. Hero even ranking is odd. Besides the Harper match what did he actually do in 2013? There's a good tag vs Neville/Grey but I didn't Hero overly stood out in that. Ah shit just remembered the Regal match. Still think 33 is way too high for what Hero did in 2013. Same for Big Show too (who is great but 2013 wasn't a strong year match wise for him imo).

 

[Rah]

Surprised Casas got the rub over Cesaro, but that top 10 is pretty on the money (top 20, too, give or take a couple change-arounds). I would probably have Cena lower, but he's always been a tremendous big match worker and delivered in those spots so its hard to fault his output in that regard. Navarro probably got hurt by tape, but I'd have him over Escorp, either way (though Rey had a really good year). Hero had a couple good performances and a helluva lotta meh.

Show over Henry is another weird one. They both had rubbish lows (Henry/Ryback & Show/Orton) but Henry's high (Retirement speech & Henry/Cena) was much better than Shows' peak (LMS against Del Rio). But that's really nitpicking.

 

[seabs]

Didn't they really dig vs Show/Orton at Extreme Rules? Besides that (which I didn't think was super great) and the Del Rio LMS match I can't think of anything Show did that was great. Maybe the 4 way tag but I didn't Show super stood out in that. He's had good matches but maybe I value his individual performances in them a lot less.

 

[Concrete]

As far as Casas and Cesaro goes the difference between the two was as close as you could get at that point with someone moving Cesaro up or Casas down and the results could have flipped. Super close finish.

Big Show to me was really a real damn consistent worker. Going through the WWE Network and watching all of his TV stuff and realized that the dude rocked every week.

 

[jawbreaker]

Good to see someone else thinks the Usos are great. Maybe it's just the limited circles I talk wrestling in but they seem to get a lot more hate than they deserve (they don't deserve any because they are, at worst, pretty good).

I don't watch enough current wrestling (or any lucha) so I don't really have strong opinions on this year's edition, but the WWE portion of the list looks on point.

 

[Emperor Palpatine]

Not normally a guy to complain about Cena in ring, but what did he do in 2013 outside of a couple of SHIELD tags and the Bryan SS match? More of a "I don't remember what he did most of the year" as opposed to "he was shit all year outside of those few matches I mentioned so fucking explain" .

 

[Concrete]

CM Punk match from Raw and the match against Mark Henry were big.

 

[moazzam23]

Not normally a guy to complain about Cena in ring, but what did he do in 2013 outside of a couple of SHIELD tags and the Bryan SS match? More of a "I don't remember what he did most of the year" as opposed to "he was shit all year outside of those few matches I mentioned so fucking explain" .

The Punk match on Raw was great. His matches with Sandow, Ryback and Henry were probably the best matches of the year for those guys. There's a Cena/Rollins match that might be Rollins' best singles match in WWE. I thought the TLC with Orton was pretty good too.

I'm pretty surprised Kota Ibushi made the list.

 

[WOOLCOCK]

I think Cena got nominated mainly for the Punk, Bryan and Henry singles matches, alongside a few promising performances against The Shield (Elimination Chamber where as I recall he was FIP) and the Cesaro exchanges during the six man tags on Raw/Smackdown in October/November of the year. Based on the comments he definitely seemed like a guy like Hero who was voted high for the strength of his respective performances, as opposed to someone based on the pure depth of his work over a consistent basis.

I watched far too little wrestling really to have much of an informed opinion but I was glad to see Goldust and Cesaro so high, as well as The Shield because Rollins especially was someone I'm pretty sure a majority there disliked heavily, even during his FCW days where I recall Seabs reviewing numerous matches of his and praising his remarkable progress from ROH. Lucero and Hecichero placings have motivated me to watch the matches of theirs which made tape, and Tajiri's placing reminded me of some of his matches which turned up last year which earnt rave reviews. The Osamu Nishimura match in particular being a very mouth-watering pairing on paper.

Only thing I hope we stay away from this year is people on here laughing at the placings of your indy workers and New Japan starlets. Accept that the people running this Top 100 have different tastes and preferences in wrestling than you, and try not to discredit the work and validations behind their picks because a handful of wrestlers in your eyes were criminally misplaced.

 

[Concrete]

THIS LIST IS BULLSHIT!

Okay, ummmm...yeah it is likely that Tajiri could have been even higher if the previously mentioned Nishimuru match was plopped onto the good ole internet in time for voting.

 

[Emperor Palpatine]

CM Punk match from Raw and the match against Mark Henry were big.

The Punk match on Raw was great. His matches with Sandow, Ryback and Henry were probably the best matches of the year for those guys. There's a Cena/Rollins match that might be Rollins' best singles match in WWE.

Knew I was forgetting a bunch of stuff .

 

[seabs]

Cena actually had a pretty strong year thinking about it but I think he was missing a big Cena performance like he usually has at some point during a year. I don't think either the Punk or Henry match was great largely because of Cena. Obviously it depends if people voted with a bias towards individual performance in a great match or just volume of great stuff someone was involved in without sucking. Cena had the Punk, Henry and Bryan match but he also had a great TV match with Rollins that got lost in the shuffle due to being during the holidays week, was really great in the Shield match at Elimination Chamber as well as the Sandow/Real Americans 6 man on SD (Raw one was good too). The Cena/Sandow match was good too iirc.