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post #81 of 977 (permalink) Old 07-23-2018, 06:26 PM
 
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Third season during the first Chelsea run was good...aaand it was over a decade ago

Also not winning anything with Real Madrid will always be a poor season for the manager. Even Jose said himself it was the worst season of his career. If everything was decided on paper then everything would be easy to predict but there's always different factors that aren't on paper that affect things.
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I don’t understand how people take the “Mourinho Third Season Curse” thing as anything more than a joke.

Jose has had three third seasons - with his third season in his first tenure at Chelsea being very good. Looking purely from a results POV; his third season at RM wasn’t even hideous - second in the league with 85 points, CL SF and a Copa del Rey Final is perfectly acceptable on paper.
You can't just come to a conclusion without posting the context.

They were 15 points behind Barcelona in the league and out of the race by Christmas. Dressing room was completely gone at that point. Modric walked into it and was absolutely appalling. Season after that under Carlo was the best of his career. The atmosphere was absolutely toxic, similar to the second Chelsea tenure when Hazard downed tools. He lost majority of the Spanish players who all backed Casillas, and even the Portugese players - Pepe absolutely rinsed him in an interview after he left and Ronaldo had a public argument with him in the tunnel. His main vocal ally was Arbeloa

It was the third season in a row under Mourinho that Madrid made the semis only to be beaten by the first top team they came up against. They didn't just lose either, they were absolutely smashed by Dortmund.

Then they lost the Madrid derby in the CdR final to complete the trophy-less season. Madrid held a ridiculous dominance over Atletico at that point having not lost to them since the end of the last century in La Liga. Not only that, the final was played at the Bernabeu.

The fans hated him as well, barring the ultras.

Far from a perfectly acceptable season and he was rightly sacked.

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People are easy jump to bandwagon when they actually know he was just a bit shaky in this year UCL final, they're suppose not forget Liverpool is also have one of worst defender named Lovren,I wonder why he called himself as best defender at World Cup 2018 consider it was worked from Domagoj Vida,his partner in defense sector

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I mentioned purely in terms of results twice to specifically avoid you writing these paragraphs.

In terms of the on field stuff you mention - RM beat Man Utd so the comment about them getting beaten by the first good team they faced is inaccurate. They also only lost by one goal to Dortmund hardly a smashing compared to the humping Josep Guardiola received in the other semi.

The dominance against Atlético since the last century isn’t massively relevant. They weren’t even in the CL last century, they were on a upper mid table team until Simeone. They’ve become much stronger in the last ten years.

I stand by 2nd place with 85 points, CL Semi and CdR Final is acceptable if there were no shady goings on.


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Thankfully, football isn't played on paper.
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That’s how it’s judged as why else would Jose get jobs?

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If you're using that logic, then why was he sacked by Madrid after a "perfectly acceptable season"? As well as Chelsea a few months after winning the league?

He gets jobs because he wins and competes for big trophies (or at least did in the past) but people tire of him in the end. It's already happening at United, ask the fans on here

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In terms of the on field stuff you mention - RM beat Man Utd so the comment about them getting beaten by the first good team they faced is inaccurate. They also only lost by one goal to Dortmund hardly a smashing compared to the humping Josep Guardiola received in the other semi.
That wasn't a great Man Utd team, and they were the only notable team he ever beat in knockouts in three seasons (they were lucky to even win as admitted by Jose afterwards).

They were out of the Dortmund game after the first leg, regardless of how you try and spin it and them scoring two goals right at the end of the second leg.

Not sure why you would bring up Pep, especially as he wasn't managing in the other semi, it was Jordi Roura covering for Tito Vilanova while he had treatment for cancer.

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The dominance against Atlético since the last century isn’t massively relevant. They weren’t even in the CL last century, they were on a upper mid table team until Simeone. They’ve become much stronger in the last ten years.
They've become stronger since the second half of 11/12 when he took over. This was in 12/13 when they were still being repeatedly smashed by Madrid. The final was also at the Bernabeu.

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I stand by 2nd place with 85 points, CL Semi and CdR Final is acceptable if there were no shady goings on.
It wasn't acceptable, on or off paper, which is why he was sacked.

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If you're using that logic, then why was he sacked by Madrid after a "perfectly acceptable season"? As well as Chelsea a few months after winning the league?
He lost the dressing room, so he had to be sacked.

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That wasn't a great Man Utd team, and they were the only notable team he ever beat in knockouts in three seasons (they were lucky to even win as admitted by Jose afterwards).
Man Utd were a great team - they got 89 points and were in the final two years prior.

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They were out of the Dortmund game after the first leg, regardless of how you try and spin it.
The point was they lost by one goal on aggregate, so “smashing” is an exaggeration.

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They've become stronger since the second half of 11/12 when he took over. This was in 12/13 when they were still being repeatedly smashed by Madrid. The final was also at the Bernabeu.
The point about them holding dominance since the turn of millennium was what I was sceptical of. They were in the second division in 2000 and only got good in the early 2010’s. They beat Real the following season to the league. Comparing AM of 2000 to AM of 2013 doesn’t hold water.

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It wasn't acceptable, on or off paper, which is why he was sacked.
That was the Madrid board’s decision and they are known for being erratic at the best of times.

As an aside, going back to the original point. It turns out Jose won the CL in his third season at Porto; so that’s a third season a 7/10 third season and two third seasons.

Hardly something to draw long terms conclusions from


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He lost the dressing room, so he had to be sacked.
Lost the dressing room, the fans, and won nothing.

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Man Utd were a great team - they got 89 points and were in the final two years prior.
They were carried to that title by RVP. As soon as they lost the greatest manager of all time, they looked absolutely hopeless. Even the biggest Moyes critics wouldn't tell you he was left with a great team.

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The point was they lost by one goal on aggregate, so “smashing” is an exaggeration.
They were 4-1 down until the very end of the second leg.

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The point about them holding dominance since the turn of millennium was what I was sceptical of. They were in the second division in 2000 and only got good in the early 2010’s. They beat Real the following season to the league. Comparing AM of 2000 to AM of 2013 doesn’t hold water.
There's dominance, and then there's 13 years without losing to your big city rivals, only to then lose in the cup final in your own ground.

Atletico weren't what they are now but they weren't bums either, they were a CL team at the end of the noughties, they won the Europa League a couple of years prior as well and followed it up with beating the treble winning Inter team for the Super Cup.

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That was the Madrid board’s decision and they are known for being erratic at the best of times.
You said at the start of this post he had to be sacked?

Perez loved Mourinho btw, but took the only logical decision.

I'm not sure how well you followed Madrid that season at the time, but it was an absolutely awful time for them, as outlined in my original post. Shame really as since then they've raked in silverware.

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As an aside, going back to the original point. It turns out Jose won the CL in his third season at Porto; so that’s a third season a 7/10 third season and two third seasons.

Hardly something to draw long terms conclusions from
I wasn't drawing conclusions, I was just pointing out the third season at Madrid wasn't "perfectly acceptable", no matter how you look at it.

We'll have to wait and see how this season goes. Where do you expect Man Utd to finish?

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