Regardless of how he was performing he was their franchise player, was perceived as such and was traded as such. They won multiple playoff rounds with him as their franchise player and made it to their eastern conference final with him as the franchise player. As soon as Lebron went west they were contenders to be the team to lose to the Warriors in the NBA Finals.
Does that mean regardless of how he was performing, Gasol has to be perceived as such and was traded as such?
The only point here that matters is that Golden State got one of the best players in NBA History through free agency and another great player (when healthy) through free agency (at a ridiculous bargain). Not to mention they got Iggy, Livingston and Jerebko through Free Agency as well. The best player toronto has ever got through free agency is Jose Calderon. Let that sink in. Every meaningful player on the Raptors they either drafted or traded for apart from FVV who was a summer league invite. How do you not see the glaring differences in how the teams were built?
Iguodala was obtained via trade? Jerebko and Livingston were back up players signed via free agency. Raptors did sign Biyombo and Turkoglu in the past via free agency too even if the latter didn't pan out. Warriors had to trade away two starters with one of them being a younger player to clear cap space for Durant too. Think they also had to give up their back up big in Ezili as well. Cousins played a half season. As for drafting versus trades, if Raptors didn't draft well, they wouldn't be able to execute said trades. GSW did something similar via 'trading' away Barnes for Durant.
Originally Posted by AlternateDemise
That was never your point in the first place. Your point was that the Raptors did the same ting the Warriors did, which is completely false.
It was a point that I brought up later. I said they constructed the roster similarly, pairing up great players when other posters were saying how Raptors winning is different than 'super teams'. Hey Mr. Raptors had more depth but still played the same short rotation
And that still is a bad comparison.
Finding player via developmental team and finding players via minimum contracts in free agency. I.e players meant to be the 13-15 player on the team becoming viable rotation players.
I agree that Lowry was the better player. That doesn't change the fact that DeRozen was their franchise player.
Gasol: Okay? That just further proves my point. If his team sucked and yet he wasn't even able to make the all star team, that says a lot about how far down he fell as a player. This is a guy that was able to make the All NBA first team while still being on a good team at one point.
Seems like you only meant franchise player in the casual fan perspective. Sorry I forgot I was talking to a casual.
Durant didn't gamble on shit. He knew he was going to be hated. That's not a gamble, that's an understanding of what he's getting himself into. The only gamble is that it might not earn him a title, but he already knew that was a foregone conclusion since the only team that could beat the Warriors was the team HE was previously on.
And yeah, this season proved winning isn't guaranteed. When Durant joined the Warriors, there wasn't any team like the Raptors.
When Durant joined the Warriors, there was a team called the Spurs with the same player that won the Raptors the championship. That pushed the team for the first seed and was leading in Game 1 in the WCF before said players got hurt.
Which is not what he claimed was his reasoning for going there. His reasoning was that he felt the Warriors needed him since they couldn't beat the Cavaliers in the finals. That clearly wasn't the case.
I beg to differ. Evidently without Durant the Warriors couldn't beat even the Raptors. Guess what? The team with elite wing play won again. How many finals in a row has the finals MVP been wing players again?
No, he went there because he wanted an easy ring. If he wanted to prove he was worthy of a max contract, he would have went to a team that didn't have four other all stars and allowed him more opportunities to showcase his talent.
He was out for half a season. No teams were offering him a long term max contract. Why would he join a non-playoff team and be accused of putting up empty stats to prove nothing to his doubters? Cousins also offered to join the Lakers but was rejected.
What hommerism? I've gone on record many times to say that I don't like the Cavaliers. I've never liked them. The only Cleveland team I ever liked was the Browns, and that's because I grew up in a football family. As soon as I moved to Boston for college, I became a Boston sports fan.
And because LeBron stated multiple times before the 2013-2014 season that he missed Cleveland and he always thought about going back. Not to mention, there were multiple players, including one of his best friends, who stated he never wanted to leave Cleveland in the first place and was always planning on returning after he finally won a ring. He won 2 in Miami. There was no reason for him to continue staying with Miami. It wouldn't have mattered what shape the Miami roster was in, he was going to Cleveland one way or another.
Your homerism for Lebron. You really think Lebron would return to Cleveland if they didn't have a better situation to trade for Kevin Love to create another 'big 3'? Why did you pick and choose which to believe and which is false pretense? Casual stan is casual.
They are very dissimilar. Again, one got theirs through trades. The other didn't. That's a huge difference. I don't know how you aren't understanding this.
I am saying the end result is the same. But people are bitching about Warriors hoarding all the good players while ignoring Raptors got star players together too. They would have a case if the Bucks won instead. The secondary point was people like to bitch about 'super teams' when one is formed via free agency.
Giving up DeRozen is not a "low ball price". At this point you're just spouting nonsense. And not to mention, they TRADED FOR HIM. That alone takes away any similarity to your original point.
Who did they sign? Lowry? Okay, that was a while ago so no. Ibaka? No, they got him through trades. Danny Green? Also through trades. Siakam? No, they drafted him. VanVleet? No, they drafted him (yeah, I get that they technically didn't. I seriously doubt they expected him to be the player he became).
If Kawhi didn't want out of Spurs, would anyone trade Kawhi + a starter to match salary for DeRozan? That's like saying obtaining Lebron or Harden via trade using Lilard isn't a low ball price.
Because they traded for them.
What part of this are you not understanding?
Which is my point exactly. They didn't like players having more agency in today's game. People like to bitch about 'super teams' yet play ignorance about the Raptors forming one because 'trade'.
This is why you are on the ignore list and will continue to remain there. You keep repeating yourself and aren't getting the very core concept that is killing your argument. You can't compare the two because how they occurred is drastically different. How it occurred is what's making everyone angry about it. That's why people hate the Warriors.
Your logic basically states that a person who kills in cold blood is the same as someone who kills in self defense. That's how bad your logic is. Not even gonna read your last part of the post. I'm sure it's something equally as stupid as the rest of this post.
Going back to ignoring you. Thought I'd give you a bone and see what other nonsense you've been spouting and now I'm regretting wasting my time on you. Besides, it looks like JM's got it covered.
How it occurred, basically free agency is what make people mad, which is my point. I keep repeating myself because you ignore things that don't fit your argument. You basically just admitted to my point that people hating on Warriors or Lebron is due to more player agency.
Your analogy is dumb. So winning a championship is killing someone? So if that is the case why does it matter if it is in cold blood or in self defense when the goal is to kill someone?
You can keep ignoring me like the casual you are. Mr. Durant made Draymond shoot worse at open 3s.