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post #81 of 624 (permalink) Old 08-16-2017, 07:02 PM
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Re: Non-EPL Football Discussion Thread 2017/18 (La Liga, Bundesliga, MLS etc.)

havent seen barca look that average for a long time, the first half wasnt even competitive never mind what a classico should be

@Seb phil isnt the player you should be taking from us, should be after mane that injection of pace looked like it was needed

the midfield was static and void of any real creativity as well i dont even know who to suggest in there, id even suggest getting a cb to while your at it

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@Ace you may have been right on who needs their star player the most, fair play
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Thoroughly predictable.

Board is a disgrace, Valverde comes across as a yes man. Nothing will change.

Mascherano starting in a back three. Gomes starting in a Clasico. Roberto shoved back on the wing.

Midfield has been neglected for years and the price is now being paid. Sorely short with Iniesta in the team, a total shambles without him. Paulinho to come.

Coutinho and/or Dembele (who admittedly is a phenomenal talent) won't be solving the problems either. Another season of over-reliance on Messi to do everything.

Fair play to Madrid, they've smelt blood and been absolutely relentless. Modric has made Gomes look like a lost schoolboy.

Could've had Asensio for 4 million, turned him down. Didn't go for Modric and Kroos (both were keen on Barca), now they're running rings around every midfield in Europe and keeping Madrid looking just as good no matter what combination of their 7 or 8 attackers they play in the front 3. Thiago sold for peanuts and missed now more than ever. Blunder after blunder.
Dembele and Coutinho aren't going to solve shit, it's obvious our midfield is a joke and cannot create anything. Spend money there and sign Dembele. Not sold on Coutinho as a good signing, rather get two quality midfielders with that money. We NEED to sign 4 more players this window if we're going to compete for titles this season.

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@Ace you may have been right on who needs their star player the most, fair play
This was stating the obvious, Ronaldo could leave tomorrow and Real would still be heavy favorites to win the CL and La Liga. Their squad is insanely strong, they have world class players or young players who have the potential to world class and future Ballon d'or winners (Asensio) on the bench..


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Re: Non-EPL Football Discussion Thread 2017/18 (La Liga, Bundesliga, MLS etc.)

There was at least some fight in the last 30 minutes, Messi hitting the bar, Suarez hitting the post, a couple of other point blank misses.

Outclassed over the two legs though.

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havent seen barca look that average for a long time, the first half wasnt even competitive never mind what a classico should be

@Seb phil isnt the player you should be taking from us, should be after mane that injection of pace looked like it was needed

the midfield was static and void of any real creativity as well i dont even know who to suggest in there, id even suggest getting a cb to while your at it

what do you think?

@Ace you may have been right on who needs their star player the most, fair play
Mane is fantastic, but Dembele is the perfect player for the left side.

As i've been saying the whole window, Neymar leaving isn't the issue, it's the midfield.

Weigl, Pjanic, Saul, Verratti, Thiago were the players I wanted.

Instead the board refuses to sell Gomes for 40 million, and signs Paulinho for the same amount. Unable to sell Rafinha as well.

Midfield options of Iniesta, Busquets, Suarez, Rakitic, Alena and one of the above would've been fine, could've even taken a punt on Seri as well.

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This was stating the obvious, Ronaldo could leave tomorrow and Real would still be heavy favorites to win the CL and La Liga. Their squad is insanely strong, they have world class players or young players who have the potential to world class and future Ballon d'or winners (Asensio) on the bench..
Kroos and Modric (and strong depth) are the reason Madrid are winning so much. Ronaldo was nowhere in the 15/16 CL run apart from the hat-trick against Wolfsburg and was dreadful in the final, and last season was looking like his 'worst' for Madrid until about March when he started smashing goals in the latter stages of the CL.
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There was at least some fight in the last 30 minutes, Messi hitting the bar, Suarez hitting the post, a couple of other point blank misses.

Outclassed over the two legs though.



Mane is fantastic, but Dembele is the perfect player for the left side.

As i've been saying the whole window, Neymar leaving isn't the issue, it's the midfield.

Weigl, Pjanic, Saul, Verratti, Thiago were the players I wanted.

Instead the board refuses to sell Gomes for 40 million, and signs Paulinho for the same amount. Unable to sell Rafinha as well.

Midfield options of Iniesta, Busquets, Suarez, Rakitic, Alena and one of the above would've been fine, could've even taken a punt on Seri as well.



Kroos and Modric (and strong depth) are the reason Madrid are winning so much. Ronaldo was nowhere in the 15/16 CL run apart from the hat-trick against Wolfsburg and was dreadful in the final, and last season was looking like his 'worst' for Madrid until about March when he started smashing goals in the latter stages of the CL.
was there no sort of buy back option in the thiago contract? seems odd for barca not to have one tbh

dont get me wrong i think coutinho would be a useful addition to that midfield but not alone, another one of the options you picked would make a lot of sense
id throw kante in there as well because well, its kante
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Re: Non-EPL Football Discussion Thread 2017/18 (La Liga, Bundesliga, MLS etc.)

No thanks on Kante. He's a terrier who runs around and wins the ball a lot. Better players like Busquets don't need to run around a lot.

I've warmed to Coutinho, it's the price that makes me turn my nose up. But it's a 'controller' like those listed above the team need so much more than another playmaker.

Thiago went for his buyout clause (more actually but not important). Board wasn't arsed about losing him as it helped fund Neymar. Then they replaced him with Alex Song.
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We're only considered a big team because we have the best player in the world and possibly the greatest ever. Truth is, without him we would struggle to finish top 3 in La Liga and get past the group stage in th Champions League. It's this bad here. We have so many substandard players who we've overpaid or are not of Barcelona standard.

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No thanks on Kante. He's a terrier who runs around and wins the ball a lot. Better players like Busquets don't need to run around a lot.

I've warmed to Coutinho, it's the price that makes me turn my nose up. But it's a 'controller' like those listed above the team need so much more than another playmaker.

Thiago went for his buyout clause (more actually but not important). Board wasn't arsed about losing him as it helped fund Neymar. Then they replaced him with Alex Song.
We should get Sanchez instead of Dembele, we can't afford to wait for him to develop. Also, what are the chances of Thiago coming back?

Paying 300m for Dembele and Coutinho would be a huge mistake as they won't turn things around. That's a fuck ton of money to throw away for guys who can't make a significant impact immediately.

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We are unbeaten without Ronaldo and create as many chances so that transition shouldnít be as hard as Barca losing Messi though.


As for the game we should have pushed for more goals. The first half was superb but the second half got more even and both teams could have scored. But we are certainly starting the season and the weather was a bit harsh too, so I can see why winning 2-0 was just enough for the team. But Iím still waiting for that day when we get our revenge and return Barca those 5-0 and 4-0 for once its getting annoying now.

This is the best Madrid side Iíve ever seen. We are winning trophy after trophy, unbeatable in finals and the depth we have is just ridiculous it makes you think weíll remain at the top for a while. Although a good CF playing as a backup for Ronaldo will be nice. Our attacking lacks more power/new blood everything else is covered.
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i was thinking that myself, 2 years ago i don't think any English team would beat barca over 2 legs, now i think 5 have a very good chance of doing so

its depressing to see what's happened to Suarez as well, used to watch him and think this man is definitely the 3rd best player on the planet
now he seems content to be carried

i get the coutinho price being a put off, id have taken 80 at the start of the window. that neymar deals changed the game though
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i was thinking that myself, 2 years ago i don't think any English team would beat barca over 2 legs, now i think 5 have a very good chance of doing so

its depressing to see what's happened to Suarez as well, used to watch him and think this man is definitely the 3rd best player on the planet
now he seems content to be carried

i get the coutinho price being a put off, id have taken 80 at the start of the window. that neymar deals changed the game though
Another point I wanted to make. Suarezs finishing is abysmal now, he never seems to finish... we'll need to find a replacement next window. But the midfield and winger take priority this window.

Neymar leaving it so late fucked us. Wish he had told us after the season so we could start looking early. Clubs know we're desperate and have 222m to spend. 150m for a kid and another 150m for someone who isn't top 10 or consistent.. we're stuffed even if we get both...

Just fucking get Sanchez and Seri FGS. None of this wasting 300m for two players who aren't game changers or can make an impact immediately.

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