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post #61 of 669 (permalink) Old 08-14-2017, 07:35 AM
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that second paragraph is grade A bullshit, bullshit of the highest order in fact, lets go into it in fact

reals first cl win 2013-14 ronaldo 11 games 17 goals
2015-16 12 games 16 goals
2016-17 13 games 12 goals

ronaldos goals have been the deciding factor in all those champions league wins, the majority of his real madrid career hes had to drag an inferior real into being competitive against a barca side thats had arguably the best midfield pairing ever in xavi and iniesta and arguably the best front 3 ever with suarez and neymar

you say watch the games and see output, these are the 2 best ever, the only outputs that matter are goals and trophies and for years now messi hasnt got near ronaldo in terms of how he performs when it actually matters in the big games

if fancy runs makes someone the best ever then Ronaldinho has the pair of them beat, however it doesnt
the goals and trophies are what separates these 2 from the rest and messi, along with another 2 of the best players in the world for 3 seasons in suarez and neymar hasnt held a candle to ronaldo

messis only more valuable to barca because neymars gone, before that ronaldo was far, far more valuable to real
Mate, if Messi waited for the ball and didn't make those runs himself and create for those around him, he'd blow Ronaldo's numbers away (But he doesn't have the midfield to do that atm).. Ronaldo turned into a poacher to compete with Messi, while Messi remained the same and produced as many goals and creates more greater chances than Ronaldo. It's idiotic to compare their assist numbers because those numbers are flawed. They don't you tell the true story, you would think Ronaldo is as good of playmaker as Messi when he isn't even in the same universe. Also a huge difference between a Ronaldo assist and Messi assist. That's why one is acknowledged for his playmaking ability and vision, and the other isn't.


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One of the worst footballers I've ever had the privilege of watching.

That's twice now that a club has received a world record transfer fee and decided to spend some of that money on Paulinho.
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One of the worst footballers I've ever had the privilege of watching.
Well, he fits with the board's vision of self destruction. Ultimate beneficiaries have been Madrid and Ronaldo.

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I know, he isn't winning shit with Barca again. He's better off leaving us than sinking with us.
He's not leaving for the foreeseable future so Ronaldo's gonna have the Balon D'or locked up for a few years yet.
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He's not leaving for the foreeseable future so Ronaldo's gonna have the Balon D'or locked up for a few years yet.
Eh, mere numbers. Anyone who watched the two will know the truth. When both were in their prime, Messi mopped the floor with him. Towards the end, he stayed and went down with a team who was destroyed from the inside and still remained the best player on the planet according to most pundits and players.

Ronaldo should dedicate his last two Ballon d'Or wins to Bartomeu. It wouldn't have been possible without him.


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Mate, if Messi waited for the ball and didn't make those runs himself and create for those around him, he'd blow Ronaldo's numbers away (But he doesn't have the midfield to do that atm).. Ronaldo turned into a poacher to compete with Messi, while Messi remained the same and produced as many goals and creates more greater chances than Ronaldo. It's idiotic to compare their assist numbers because those numbers are flawed. They don't you tell the true story, you would think Ronaldo is as good of playmaker as Messi when he isn't even in the same universe. Also a huge difference between a Ronaldo assist and Messi assist. That's why one is acknowledged for his playmaking ability and vision, and the other isn't.
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Ballon d'Or is a joke trophy, as illustrated in 2010 (Messi), 2013 (Ronaldo), and 2016 (Ronaldo).

It's the Champions League wins for Madrid that hurt as a Barca fan, not the winner of a glorified popularity contest voted for by people who watch 5 or 6 out of the 50 games each play every year. Half the people who vote don't even do it properly, remember in Barca/Messi's treble year in 2015 when Hodgson voted for Mascherano?

I can think of about 3 footballers who would trade team success for individual glory and two of those would probably trade both for more cash.

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Messi wonít leave Barca but heíll have the privilege to play alongside Paulinho

In all seriousness I thought he was visibly mad when the game was over looking at Bartomeu. He has the power to ask publicly the fans to support the motion of censure and sack the current board. Socios will be insane to turn their backs at their best player. That might be the best option seeing how Barto/current board have done shady things to remain in the power for far more long than they should.


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As you know, the team really has all been on Messi for the last two years, his week in week out performances have blown away any other player in Europe and kept Barca relevant. Which is ridiculous when the team has had Neymar and Suarez (and others), shows how poorly managed the team is and will continue to be. A team that won so much from having the worlds best midfielders, now Madrid have them and are winning everything.

Barto's answer latest answer after buying players like Song and Gomes (whilst losing Thiago) is Paulinho, it's a disgraceful signing and the latest spit in the face from the board.
Bartomeu is too obvious now but itís alarming to see how passive the socios are right now. They are the ones to blame when they voted for Rosell and the current board when they had reasons telling them not to. But leaving aside the political views of the socios it seems like they got too comfortable thinking with Messi would be enough to win more trophies.

And while Iím not surprised by the ineptitude of the current board it amazes me how Barca could have extended their dominance for more years had they signed Modric, Kross, Isco and Asensio. It would have changed Madrid current success for sure even when we have changed our policy of signings.

Asensio was only 4.5 million but they wanted to split the amount that is just ridiculous.

They have done everything so wrong from youth teams slowly changing the style of play to let some of the best players go. Barca B stopped being the platform to showcase academy players now only a few gets promoted or given the chance. The finances are bad and on top of that they even brought back the ultras. How the socios are okay with that and many other things is just perplexing.

Btw is this Barca heading to an even worse age than that Barca under Gaspart?

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Just watched a highlights package of Sunderland against Derby. The Stadium of Light looked barely a quarter full but no surprises there, really. Sunderland looked lucky to make it out of that game with a draw and no red cards, it was a really scrappy game. Anyone think Sunderland will get relegated again this season?

second highest attendance in the championship in that round of fixtures but aye. Cant imagine why people would be skeptical about attending after ten average at best prem seasons, being relegated watching the most depressing team Davey Moyes ever built and making a bunch of non flashy (but surprisingly effective thus far) signings. Also losing 5-0 to celtic the week, before, which might be a nice kick up the arse in a game which didn't really matter before the season started.

But yeah theres a good chance in us being relegated. Us beating Norwich fairly comfortably probably adds to that argument. We're not world beaters but our squad isnt that much different from the one last year, our manager knows the league fairly well and there's some dross in the championship. We'll be fine, maybe an outside bet at the playoffs. Honestly think Cattermole/Ndong is one of the better midfields in the league and in both of our games so far they've bossed things. Plus mcgeady is a very tidy player and Grayson looks like he's getting the best out of him

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Grayson is a good manager. The quality of manager makes a bigger difference in the Champs than the Prem. Derby in terms of actual player quality are the best in the league for my money, so a draw isn't the worst result there. I don't anticipate Sunderland making any challenge for the play-offs.
Genuinely thought Derby looked a poor side against us (and i honestly expected us to lose beforehand, especially after going behind) and we definitely had the better of them for the first hour or so (not making any changes was weird and opened us up to late chances) so if that's the best team in player quality thats a worry for the standards of the league. Especially when they've lost two of their better players and not bought improvements to take their place. I'd say your lot have a better team man for man, hernandez is a brilliant championship striker and if you can keep hold of grosicki that's a wicked playmaker at this level

The pessimism ingrained in me as a sunderland fan refuses to get carried away after a decent start, but it'll be interesting to see how we fare in the next two games against sheff wed and leeds. Another four points and i'd be pleasantly surprised (and absolutely delighted), but the fact Grayson already seems to have a group of players who give their all in every game so far is enough for me and gives me hope we'll be ok this season. Maybe we'll even win more than we lose, which is a novel idea.

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