You and your thing for overrated athletes
Nowadays 1 or 2 performances in the CL is enough to win it, Messi on the other hand has been literally carrying his side for 2 seasons. It's stupid it's all about titles when if you actually watch games, you'll see the actual output and value of players besides numbers on the score sheet.
Take Ronaldo out of Real Madrid and they're still favorites for La Liga and CL. Messi isn't winning squat with this team so he's immediately ruled out even though he is far more valuable to Barca than Ronaldo is for Madrid. Ronaldo is simply the star player who is given the ball on a platter. To think finishing plays makes you GOAT is asinine.
that second paragraph is grade A bullshit, bullshit of the highest order in fact, lets go into it in fact
reals first cl win 2013-14 ronaldo 11 games 17 goals
2015-16 12 games 16 goals
2016-17 13 games 12 goals
ronaldos goals have been the deciding factor in all those champions league wins, the majority of his real madrid career hes had to drag an inferior real into being competitive against a barca side thats had arguably the best midfield pairing ever in xavi and iniesta and arguably the best front 3 ever with suarez and neymar
you say watch the games and see output, these are the 2 best ever, the only outputs that matter are goals and trophies and for years now messi hasnt got near ronaldo in terms of how he performs when it actually matters in the big games
if fancy runs makes someone the best ever then Ronaldinho has the pair of them beat, however it doesnt
the goals and trophies are what separates these 2 from the rest and messi, along with another 2 of the best players in the world for 3 seasons in suarez and neymar hasnt held a candle to ronaldo
messis only more valuable to barca because neymars gone, before that ronaldo was far, far more valuable to real