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Re: NHL Draft and Off-season Thread - Hopefully Patrick Kane Doesn't Go Home to Buffalo This Summer Edition

No one is going to give Stamkos 12M in free agency, there's just no way to make that work with the cap where it is currently.

w/r/t Chicago, keep in mind that they also have two ridiculous cap-circumventing contracts in Keith and Hossa, and they're still real tight up against the cap. As long as the cap stays stagnant, I think we'll see more and more GMs getting wise when it comes to handing out ridiculous contracts in FA.
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No one is going to give Stamkos 12M in free agency, there's just no way to make that work with the cap where it is currently.

w/r/t Chicago, keep in mind that they also have two ridiculous cap-circumventing contracts in Keith and Hossa, and they're still real tight up against the cap. As long as the cap stays stagnant, I think we'll see more and more GMs getting wise when it comes to handing out ridiculous contracts in FA.
idk Tim Murray may be dumb/desperate enough. Afterall he's the one who put the 12 mil figure out there.

Could be a smoke screen or he could still be bitter about Babcock and he has hubris issues. The way he acted like a bitch after Babcock/Leafs thing I don't think it's out of the realm that he just flat out wants beat the Leafs/Wings to Stamkos.

I think he gets 11 million tbh which is still lunacy.
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Wonder when Stamkos signs. Can't imagine it's July 1st. It'll draw out like that Brad Richards foolishness a few years ago.
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People get caught up too much in the raw numbers instead of taking into account that the cap has gone up over the past few years.

Toews and Kane's $10.5 million contracts, which kicked in this past season, represented 14.7% of Chicago's cap space apiece. This season, it'll be 14.4%. That number will presumably keep dropping as the salary cap increases year after year.

To put it into perspective, after going to the Stanley Cup Finals in 2008, the Penguins rewarded Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin with matching 5-year, $43.5 million extensions. At the time, the salary cap was only $56.7 million, so those $8.7 million cap hits were each taking up 15.3% of Pittsburgh's cap. They won the Stanley Cup the next year.

So, no. I don't think the $10 million contracts are a huge deal. It's just a reflection of the salary cap going up more than anything. It may not be as easy for Chicago to rattle off Cup after Cup without those two on below-market deals, but it's certainly possible.

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@RetepAdam. and it's also relative to who's making that kind money, how the contract was signed, and what kind of players a team has that need to be signed. There's a lot of variance.

Don't see that much of a problem with Kane and Toews making that money (I'll still laugh at it and am skeptical to how it will work out, but we will see. Chicago had to pay them, tho). Don't see any problem with Crosby/Malkin making the money they make. I will not see problem when McDavid becomes the highest player in the league. Again, it's not really about paying players via extensions, it's about paying mega bucks to players who hit the market and the success rate.

Because I'm bored while I'm supposed to be working and am curious myself, here are the UFA who singed big deals since 2006 (meaning big money or term over 4 years).

Green are guys who contributed to a Cup win with the team who signed them. In Red are guys who were bought out/traded/waived/went to Europe/retired due to decline in play or injury. Basically, the player didn't finish contract with team originally signed.

2006
- Chara (BOS) 7.5 x 5 (later extended 6.5 x 7)
- Jovanovksi (PHX) 6.5 x 5
- Kubina (TOR) 5 x 4
- Savard (BOS) 5 x 4 (later extended 4.5 x 7)
- Arnott (NSH) 4.5 x 5

2007
- Drury (NYR) 7.4 x 7
- Gomez (NYR) 7.35 x 7
- Briere (PHI) 6.5 x 8
- Smyth (COL) 6.25 x 5
- Timonen (PHI) 6.3 x 6
- Rafalski (DET) 6 x 5
- Kariya (STL) 6 x 3
- Huet (CHI) 5.6 x 4
- Souray (EDM) 5.4 x 5

2008
- Hossa (DET) 7.5 x 1
- Campbell (CHI) 7.1 x 8
- Redden (NYR) 6.5 x 6
- Rolston (NJD) 5 x 4

2009
- Gaborik (NYR) 7.4 x 5
- Bouwmeester (CGY) 6.8 x 5
- Hossa (CHI) 5.3 x 12
- Havlat (MIN) 5 x 6
- Gionta (MTL) 5 x 5
- Komisarek (TOR) 4.5 x 5
- Ohlund (TBL) 4 x 7

2010
- Kovalchulk (NJD) 6.5 x 12
- Martin (PIT) 5 x 5

2011
- Richards (NYR) 6.6 x 9
- Bryzgalov (PHI) 5.7 x 9
- Wisniewski (CBJ) 5.5 x 6
- Leino (BUF) 4.5 x 6
- Laich (WSH) 4.5 x 6
- Erhoff (BUF) 4 x 10


2012
- Parise (MIN) 7.5 x 13 (may have a long term back injury; good luck to you, Minny)
- Suter (MIN) 7.5 x 13
- Garrison (VAN) 4.6 x 6
- Carle (TBL) 5.5 x 6 (including him because he's trash and Tampa fans deeply regret his signing)

2013
- Ribiero (PHX) 5.5 x 4
- Horton (CBJ) 5.28 x 7
- Clarkson (TOR) 5.25 x 7
- Weiss (DET) 5 x 5

- Filpulla (TBL) 5 x 5
- Clowe (NJD) 5 x 5
- Lecavalier (PHI) 4.5 x 5


2014
- Stastny (STL) 7 x 4
- Vanek (MIN) 6.5 x 3
- Niskanen (WSH) 5.85 x 7
- Bolland (FLA) 5.5 x 5
- Orpik (WSH) 5.5 x 5
- Cammalleri (NJD) 5 x 5
- Moulson (BUF) 5 x 5

There is a lot of red on there and a lot of cap circumvention. Those 8, 9, 10, 12, 13 year deals are extinct and those low cap hits can no longer happen. That is more significant than anything else because a smaller cap hit means there is more coin to spread to pay the rest of your team.

Yes, the cap goes up, but some things never change. When you become inpatient and try to buy players instead of developing your own, you will overpay and you won't be any closer to a Stanley Cup (my team being a prime offender of this). Mega UFA deals rarely pay off. When they do pay off, it pays to go after UFA dmen and avoid the flash of star forwards.

I'm just pointing out the obvious, tho.

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