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The Rock was essentially a big enough star to be considered one of the many "faces" of the company. You had stars like HBK, Bret Hart, Jericho, Kane, Angle, Mankind, Taker, Triple H, etc who could all be interchanged in the main event. In Hogan's time, you had Steamboat, Savage, Piper, Andre, etc who could all be looked at as top guys. Even the women's division through time has had worthy talent that you could look at and see being interchangeable (Victoria, Lita, Molly Holly, Sable, Trish, Jazz, etc) Now it's all about Charlotte and only recently, Becky.
None of them were equals to Hogan or Austin though. Rock wasn't equal to Austin as Austin mainevented like 19 ppvs in 98-99 while rock only mainevented 4 and two of those were against Austin both of which he lost.

You will always have maineventers and yes wwe had studd, Andre, wonderful, rude, Piper etc in 80s yet look what happened in 92 when Hogan left they freaked out put belt on Bret who hadn't been built to that level, tried to get warrior and Hogan to put him over which failed, then tried pushing guys like Yoko, Luger, Diesel, babyface Shawn who again weren't ready or fans rejected them.

Attitude era had all the stars but what happened in 2002 once Austin left..Lesnar who wasn't ready get pushed, then Big Show is champion, then a multitude of ex WCW guys like Steiner, flair, Piper, Goldberg, Hogan, Nash are maineventing ppvs or in top storylines in 2003. 2004 saw Eddie/Benoit (perennial midcarders in fans eyes) on top then JBL then rookie Orton bring pushed..it was a mess similar to today because there was no focus.

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Yes, Rock/Austin/Hogan were pushed harder than the aforementioned talent, but at the same time, you could look at all those guys as worthy superstars. As talent that could take over if someone was injured for example. If you put all your eggs in one basket, you end up with the current product, where no one matters and everyone looks like a geek. You can't put all your respurces in one guy and have him main event 4 Manias in a row. Now look where we are, there isn't ONE guy who can be taken seriously.
Reigns maineventing four manias isn't the major issue. I mean two of those he lost, one ie taker match be gained nothing because taker was awful and the whole aftermath focused on taker not reigns and reigns got his ass handed to him by Strowman then Lesnar for next 12 months anyway in tv and ppv

Reigns still feels like a guy not the main fotc. He has his segment on raw or SD and leaves but his segment has nothing to do with rest of show. Complete opposite of Austin in 98/99 where everything was built around him even if he wasn't on TV and sat at home.
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I don't see the point in these threads, why do you need assurance that your opinion is universally right? its pretty clear that everyone won't agree with you so just have your opinion and move along.
The point simply is to have a discussion.

This is a wrestling forum after all.
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The point simply is to have a discussion.

This is a wrestling forum after all.
not really here because you are asking people to agree with your opinion like it should be the case. You arnt really asking for a discussion. That would be asking "IS roman the best face for the company?". Your starting title was already biased towards it being the case. There is really no reason why any of the people listed couldnt be FOTC, most of your justifications are assumptions.

no-one should have to "just agree" with you because they can have their own opinion and even if everyone did agree with you like you wanted, there would be no discussion to be had.

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Re: Can we just agree that Roman Reigns is the best contender for being the next FOTC?

"Can we all agree ..."?

Hell no. If you posted a thread about water being wet on this forum, you'd get a dozen responses arguing with you.

That aside though, WWE in it's current model, doesn't have, or NEED a "Face Of The Company". The FOTC is basically either HHH or Steph, depending on what the media need to see or hear at a given event. There are no wrestlers on the entire roster that WWE has actually built up or treated like a FOTC since their failure with Reigns.

These FOTC discussions are all moot, until WWE decides that they actually want a wrestler be be one.
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Re: Can we just agree that Roman Reigns is the best contender for being the next FOTC?

he aint next because he already failed

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The point simply is to have a discussion.

This is a wrestling forum after all.
not really here because you are asking people to agree with your opinion like it should be the case. You arnt really asking for a discussion. That would be asking "IS roman the best face for the company?". Your starting title was already biased towards it being the case. There is really no reason why any of the people listed couldnt be FOTC, most of your justifications are assumptions.

no-one should have to "just agree" with you because they can have their own opinion and even if everyone did agree with you like you wanted, there would be no discussion to be had.
Good lord, man. It’s a simple discussion. I actually didn’t spend a day pondering about the technicalities in each word that I used for my title... I have it minimal thought.

There’s no need to act like a smart ass, just read the actual post where I stack him up against other guys and then provide my reasons why followed by asking for peoples opinion... the title says “CAN we agree”, not “YOU MUST agree”. I literally ask for a discussion at the end of my post...

If you don’t want to participate in this conversation then nobody’s forcing you to, fml

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Re: Can we just agree that Roman Reigns is the best contender for being the next FOTC?

Looking at the field, yeah he probably is, but that's WWE's fault. They squandered so many other options over the years.

I don't see anyone that can fill that role in WWE today, but that's more reason why they should just push everyone strongly and make them matter.

Hate to make the comparison, but UFC doesn't always have a huge FOTC. Yeah there were years where it was Randy Couture, Chuck Liddel, Lesnar, GSP, Silva, Rousey, McGregor, but when they're not around, UFC has always done well, because the have so many people that are just under that FOTC mark that can step up and be the draws. Whether that's Jon Jones, Daniel Cormier, Chris Weidman, Nate Diaz, Amanda Nunes, Holly Holm, Khabib, Max Holloway, Joanna, Robbie Lawler, Jose Aldo, Tyron Woodley, Rose Namajunas, etc.

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Looking at the field, yeah he probably is, but that's WWE's fault. They squandered so many other options over the years.

I don't see anyone that can fill that role in WWE today, but that's more reason why they should just push everyone strongly and make them matter.

Hate to make the comparison, but UFC doesn't always have a huge FOTC. Yeah there were years where it was Randy Couture, Chuck Liddel, Lesnar, GSP, Silva, Rousey, McGregor, but when they're not around, UFC has always done well, because the have so many people that are just under that FOTC mark that can step up and be the draws. Whether that's Jon Jones, Daniel Cormier, Chris Weidman, Nate Diaz, Amanda Nunes, Holly Holm, Khabib, Max Holloway, Joanna, Robbie Lawler, Jose Aldo, Tyron Woodley, Rose Namajunas, etc.
The UFC model doesn’t really call for a FOTC because you only get 1 to 2 fights per year out of your top stars. What UFC needs is a minimum of 5 to 6 legit headliners. UFC has had some pretty hard times here and there, and it’s always been because their PPV draws dried up either because of retirement or suspension. But they’ve done a good job of creating new stars or rehabbing old ones when their back is to the wall. They fight some of the same issues as WWE such as overexposure but at least they have a handful of legit headliners in their prime. WWE has zero.
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Re: Can we just agree that Roman Reigns is the best contender for being the next FOTC?

Ambrose was always the best overall guy in The Shield. Rollins can wrestle but many of his matches seem like a "video game match". Reigns has been pushed so hard for so long and for no good reason. He is still poor on the mic, he does nothing special(he's not awful but he's not that great) in the ring and he lacks charisma/presence despite his size/stature. I thought 2013 into 2014 they were going to have Dean Ambrose and Bray Wyatt as their next two top stars to go along with Cena, Punk, Orton and Bryan.
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Looking at the field, yeah he probably is, but that's WWE's fault. They squandered so many other options over the years.

I don't see anyone that can fill that role in WWE today, but that's more reason why they should just push everyone strongly and make them matter.

Hate to make the comparison, but UFC doesn't always have a huge FOTC. Yeah there were years where it was Randy Couture, Chuck Liddel, Lesnar, GSP, Silva, Rousey, McGregor, but when they're not around, UFC has always done well, because the have so many people that are just under that FOTC mark that can step up and be the draws. Whether that's Jon Jones, Daniel Cormier, Chris Weidman, Nate Diaz, Amanda Nunes, Holly Holm, Khabib, Max Holloway, Joanna, Robbie Lawler, Jose Aldo, Tyron Woodley, Rose Namajunas, etc.
Which options have they squandered? The only option there was Daniel Bryan who ended up retired in 2015. There haven't been any other options over the years, and certainly not during Reigns rise which began in 2015.

Even Rollins, who people liked to claim would be a better choice, has proven himself to be a flop twice now. Both in 2015 when they built the show around him and currently. And none of the other dudes in the past few years, be they Ambrose, Bray, Owens etc. have been better options.

No one on the current roster was a better choice than Reigns as the next FOTC. What hurt him was a combination of Bryan backlash and the decade of Cena push where fans have essentially become resistant to anything WWE may actively try to do. If anything, they should've transitioned to Reigns by 2016 and they could've avoided a lot of the problems they had, but the Cena factor would still exist and is a large reason why hardcore fans started hating on Reigns in the first place. You can't avoid that since it's a well WWE poisoned themselves.
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