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post #91 of 128 (permalink) Old 06-12-2019, 08:21 AM
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Re: Who did Ember Moon piss off?

Ember as a nerd is at least an identifiable character. (one she shouldn't have much trouble playing...)

Maybe Vince just discovered Big Bang Theory? "I have a feeling this show's gonna break out, pal. We need someone like this dammit!"
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Well this storyline is an abomination. It makes Mandy and Sonya look bad as well as it shows that WWE have nothing for them. It's starting to remind me of the cringeworthy storyline Mandy had with Naomi that went nowhere. Instead of WWE investing in the tag team division we get this shit.
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She did nothing wrong. She's just a female version of Apollo Crews, no charisma, can't cut a promo and no character.
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Then why call them up? Why bring in new toys for Vince to play with if he's gonna just toss them aside? What is gained by that?
Cause they can afford too. They can be used on house shows and the odd Raw and Smackdown to put over Vince's pet projects. The performance center is full to the brim and you will see more like Apollo and Ember coming up who are talented in ring workers but nothing else. Most are only signed to keep them away from the another companies. And a lot of that type of talent are happy just to be there and pick up their pay packets at the end of the week.

You can tell even looking at who they signed up in performance center and on NXT who's not going to amount to nothing on the main roster.


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She canít talk, has no charisma, doesnít have a good look and her only attribute is her ring work. What exactly did people expect?

Besides that she has a goofy gimmick that no one understands. I believe in NXT they implied she was supposed to be some type of werewolf, lol.

Sheís very much like the Sarah Logans of the world. Good Iím-ring hands that will never be stars but can make other people look good. Being a good worker but lacking any of the ďITĒ factor or mic skills necessary to be a star is the definition of enhancement talent or jobber, which is exactly what Ember should be.
This is a load of crap, more so when discussing needing mic work to be a star look no further than Rey Mysterio, Jeff Hardy, Chris Benoit, and Brock Lesnar all of whom which the vast majority would say are bad on the mic and still became huge stars.

Look at Mr. Kennedy, MVP, Carlito, and Chris Masters in which all these guys were strong on the mic and yet never truly went past midcard status. The whole thing about needing mic work to be a star is an age old fallacy.

The problem with a lot of the current talent is that they need to be involved in engaging storylines to make people care about those said involved. It's not Ember's fault for not being utilized, give her a good villain to feud with a good story and she can become a star. She has great ring work and a unique look, she can blossom she needs material to work with that's all.
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This is a load of crap, more so when discussing needing mic work to be a star look no further than Rey Mysterio, Jeff Hardy, Chris Benoit, and Brock Lesnar all of whom which the vast majority would say are bad on the mic and still became huge stars.

Look at Mr. Kennedy, MVP, Carlito, and Chris Masters in which all these guys were strong on the mic and yet never truly went past midcard status. The whole thing about needing mic work to be a star is an age old fallacy.

The problem with a lot of the current talent is that they need to be involved in engaging storylines to make people care about those said involved. It's not Ember's fault for not being utilized, give her a good villain to feud with a good story and she can become a star. She has great ring work and a unique look, she can blossom she needs material to work with that's all.
I disagree. Hardy and Mysterio to me are two of the worst champs ever because of their poor mic work. Benoit got the 'thank you' title for being an elite in-ring worker. Brock has an aura around him that no other wrestler has. Mic work is much more important then in ring work. Imagine work rate geeks judging Rock's in ring work these days? Dude would prob be drinking out of solo cups with EC3.
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I think pairing Ember with Alister Black would make for an interesting team. They could be called "The Overlords of Darkness". Ember can cause havoc over the women's division and Alister can do the same on the men's side. Vince you're welcome.
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Re: Who did Ember Moon piss off?

I mean she wasn't used well in NXT either. To use hyperbole she was Asuka's bitch, then Shayna's bitch, and then she left. She got no character development either. She was pushed and won a belt, but NXT didn't do anything great with her
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I disagree. Hardy and Mysterio to me are two of the worst champs ever because of their poor mic work. Benoit got the 'thank you' title for being an elite in-ring worker. Brock has an aura around him that no other wrestler has. Mic work is much more important then in ring work. Imagine work rate geeks judging Rock's in ring work these days? Dude would prob be drinking out of solo cups with EC3.
Whether or not Mysterio and Hardy were bad champs or not had nothing to do with the fact that they are indeed big stars, and were/are very popular guys. You mentioned Brock's aura, my point exactly there are other redeeming qualities in wrestling traits that can make a star. While mic work is indeed a facet to climb up as a wrestler it isn't the only way to make it because again a guy like Mr. Kennedy or MVP had all the mic work in the world and were only former US Champions.

The general consensus here was that Ember Moon was doomed because she may not possess the mic skills needed to be a star but as stated before there are many talents who made it big in the WWE without having Rock/Austin/Jericho levels of mic work. Wrestling traits:

-Charisma
-Mic Work
-Ring Work
-Stage Presence/Aura
-Character

Think of Goldberg, he had charisma and stage presence because his WCW and first WWE run presented him well, got him involved in major stroylines and such. If WWE learned to put wrestlers like Ember Moon in actual meaningful programs she can show more traits than having strong ring work. She doesn't have to have mic skills per say because Jeff Hardy didn't and he was huge success. Creative and booking are a large factor in all of this.
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Keep posting those numers out of context like nobody knows what you're doing. Lets pretend Jazz wasn't hotshotting the title back and forth with Trish until Trish ultimately won out and lets Layla wasn't a michelle McCool accessory and that Jackies only reason for holding the belt definitely wasn't as a prop in the sable marc mero feud, and spending the majority of her reign defending the belt against lana was def a good use of Naomi's time. As for Sasha... yea I can't even pretend there. But then again I would expect such bullshit from the supporter of the most undeserved champion of at least this decade if not ever.
What this argument is terrible. Jazz was a big factor in the women's division when she was around. She was a big obstacle Trish keep running into that year. For her short time she was pushed well. They didn't do much with the women in Jacqueline's day but she was still pushed in that Sable feud, is a HoF, and is Cruiserweight champion for whatever that's worth. Naomi has been pushed pretty well since her first heel turn as well, she's a 2x time champ and has a Mania title win. Layla was also used strong sure Michelle was 1A, but Layla being there as well is what made that gimmick.

As a black man this is just a weird situation to try and pull the race card. Like nothing about how black women have been treated in WWE would indicate some sinister racist undertones. One never being the star of the division isn't proof enough to really cry racism.
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This is a load of crap, more so when discussing needing mic work to be a star look no further than Rey Mysterio, Jeff Hardy, Chris Benoit, and Brock Lesnar all of whom which the vast majority would say are bad on the mic and still became huge stars.

Look at Mr. Kennedy, MVP, Carlito, and Chris Masters in which all these guys were strong on the mic and yet never truly went past midcard status. The whole thing about needing mic work to be a star is an age old fallacy.

The problem with a lot of the current talent is that they need to be involved in engaging storylines to make people care about those said involved. It's not Ember's fault for not being utilized, give her a good villain to feud with a good story and she can become a star. She has great ring work and a unique look, she can blossom she needs material to work with that's all.
Jeff Hardy had charisma, an appealing look and was innovative doing crazy shit.

Mysterio was bringing something completely new that the audience had not seen before. He also was the ultimate underdog that people were drawn too.

Benoit and Brock had intensity that draw people in and made the audience believe they were legit ass kickers.

Ember is a dud. She can work and thatís it. Even if they gave her the greatest storyline ever, she doesnít have the mic skills, personality or charisma to pull it off.

It also doesnít help being a female wrestler that she leans towards the fugly side of the scale.
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