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Re: Is Charlotte the most pushed in wwe history?

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Laughable to even compare her to the most pushed in company history

Austin mainevented 19 ppvs between February 98 and October 99 as well as winning Rumble. WWE completely changed direction to build around Austin.
What is laughable is this. Austin saved the company, he didn't have his father making calls to keep being pushed in the title scene despite struggling to move merch and getting fans to care after 4 years.

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Her heel promos are underrated, and the haters on this forum are being extremely nitpicky. She is probably better at heel promos than 90% of the roster, certainly better than Becky "fumblesovawahdstasay" Lynch
Becky speaks at a pace that people who don't have below average comprehending abilities can understand her easily. Cutting promos...talking...like...this...and...emphasizing...every...word isn't normal.



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She couldn't get cheered as a babyface, which is why they switched her back to heel.

As for who the GOAT women's wrestler, I don't have an answer and I'm to tired to do the math, but their are a litany of female wrestlers above Charlotte Flair, at least one of who is currently in the company in Asuka.
How can you say that though?? Asuka can't even cut a promo. Dont get me wrong, I love watching asuka wrestle. But promos are about half of what wrestlers are expected to do. I'm no math wiz, but if we were grading wrestlers, how would asuka beat Charlotte when she has a 0 in a very important category?
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I don't know about all of that but this is an amazing stat



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I don't know about all of that but this is an amazing stat


I was thinking there's no way this couldn't be exaggerated...but it's true. And it's even worse when you remember the 6 matches she wasn't in.

Like this year - Fastlane (Asuka vs. Mandy Rose) and Royal Rumble (Asuka vs. Becky Lynch). She was facing Becky at Fastlane and in the RR.
Last year - MITB (Asuka vs. Carmella) and Extreme Rules (Asuka vs. Carmella). She was in the MITB match and getting tit surgery.
MITB 2017 (Naomi vs. Lana) was the other and I think SummerSlam 2017 (Naomi vs. Nattie). Again MITB match was on leave because Ric was sick.

The women on SDL have no chance of getting a match without her in the title scene.
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She isn't the most pushed, but the issue is that she's pushed disproportionately to her talent and level of "overness". She's good, no doubt, but not good enough to always be featured in the title scene.
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I challenge anyone that has a problem with her booking to name a woman on the roster. I bet I can name at least one thing Charlotte is better than them at. I'll save you all a lot of time because I doubt anyone can match her athleticism. She's a great promo. I know look is subjective so I won't try and argue if she's hot or not, but outside of maybe nia jax or maybe shayna bazler who's more physically imposing???

Your anger is misplaced. I think Alexa's hot too, but her beating anyone without cheating just isn't believable. Charlotte is better than bailey on the mic (at least as a face. Something tells me bailey could cut a great heel promo) ember moon is an awful promo. Asuka doesn't speak English. Fire and ice are still green. Becky has both the belts( still think Charlotte is better in the ring)

So someone please tell me who you would have them push in her stead?? Pretty please. I'm beyond curious who Charlotte is stopping from shining
This statement right here noone will challenge, but I will say I'd like to see Rhea Ripley get the next huge push if shes willing to come to the states on a permanent basis. Chick is a brick shit house.
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How can you say that though?? Asuka can't even cut a promo. Dont get me wrong, I love watching asuka . But promos are about half of what wrestlers are expected to do. I'm no math wiz, but if we were grading wrestlers, how would asuka beat Charlotte when she has a 0 in a very important category?
Unbelievable, what you can expect when everything are micromanage by only one person, Vince and Charlotte isn't good talker either, I can predict from distance what she's gonna say before she open her mouth. Asuka have "it" factor to cover her gap in do English promo but Vince fail to capitalize it, she's actions speak louder than words type but Vince turn her into Yoko Ono stuff.

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Unbelievable, what you can expect when everything are micromanage by only one person, Vince and Charlotte isn't good talker either, I can predict from distance what she's gonna say before she open her mouth. Asuka have "it" factor to cover her gap in do English promo but Vince fail to capitalize it, she's actions speak louder than words type but Vince turn her into Yoko Ono stuff.
I'm an asuka fan myself. Her intensity is unrivaled in the women's division. But to say she's better than Charlotte just isn't true. Charlotte trumps her in athleticism and is more physically imposing. Charlotte shtick can be a bit predictable at times, but if Vince controls everything everyone else says, why would Charlotte be above that. The only people I recall having a bit of control over what they say was Ambrose and wyatt. At least from what I've read. So your statement at best is subjective and at worse is just flat out wrong
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I'm an asuka fan myself. Her intensity is unrivaled in the women's division. But to say she's better than Charlotte just isn't true. Charlotte trumps her in athleticism and is more physically imposing. Charlotte shtick can be a bit predictable at times, but if Vince controls everything everyone else says, why would Charlotte be above that. The only people I recall having a bit of control over what they say was Ambrose and wyatt. At least from what I've read. So your statement at best is subjective and at worse is just flat out wrong
Great altheticism doesn't automatically make someone a superior wrestler. If anything, the wrestlers who can put on a great matches and not rely on any high spots are the best of the best imo. How many wrestlers are more athletic than Steve Austin but couldn't lace his boots when it comes to putting on a classic match.

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Great altheticism doesn't automatically make someone a superior wrestler. If anything, the wrestlers who can put on a great matches and not rely on any high spots are the best of the best imo. How many wrestlers are more athletic than Steve Austin but couldn't lace his boots when it comes to putting on a classic match.
Is Steve Austin the exception or the rule? I know that athleticism doesn't automatically make you a great wrestler, but Charlotte is far from a spot monkey. She's very capable of telling a story in the ring. Granted it's usually her being desperate and willing to do anything, but I'd say that's more on the agent who puts the match together wouldn't you?
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