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WTF is a "satisfying payoff"?? You want them to do a triple moonsault onto a table or something?



This is what workrate marks don't understand about wrestling. WWE is entertainment oriented, not work rate oriented. It has always been this way. Look, charisma, character display and a connection to the audience will always trump wrestling ability.

and for the record, they aren't even bad wrestlers.
Satisfying payoff meaning they can lose in at least a presentable decent match that elevates the babyface that wins.

Also, the IIconics barely have any of the bolded anyway. They suck all around, not just at wrestling.
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Satisfying payoff meaning they can lose in at least a presentable decent match that elevates the babyface that wins.
They can.

There is a reason they chose Billie to be Ember's opponent in her debut at TakeOver Brooklyn.



She's severely underrated and Peyton is a good wrestler. WTF kind of standards do you have? They've been a tag team from the very beginning and are a true team, not random shit like Riot Squad thrown together or Sasha and Bayley who have credibility but would be better off as singles stars. The Iconics are good wrestlers.

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Also, the IIconics barely have any of the bolded anyway. They suck all around, not just at wrestling.

Looks: they both have striking looks

Charisma: when the Iconics are out, all eyes are on them. They always get the reaction they want. They're fun characters.

Character Display: They play their roles perfectly. They have great facial expressions, above average mic skills, fully invested in their characters and they have not been flakey about messing around a lot with their gimmick or heel/face alignment. They've largely been the same throughout their entire run but you got to see those characters grow. A lot of people appreciate that.

Connection to the audience: they have a huge following and fan base online. A lot of people are happy about them being the champions. There is an "it factor" sort of aura about them regardless of what you think.

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They can.

There is a reason they chose Billie to be Ember's opponent in her debut at TakeOver Brooklyn.



She's severely underrated and Peyton is a good wrestler. WTF kind of standards do you have? They've been a tag team from the very beginning and are a true team, not random shit like Riot Squad thrown together or Sasha and Bayley who have credibility but would be better off as singles stars. The Iconics are good wrestlers.




Looks: they both have striking looks

Charisma: when the Iconics are out, all eyes are on them. They always get the reaction they want. They're fun characters.

Character Display: They play their roles perfectly. They have great facial expressions, above average mic skills, fully invested in their characters and they have not been flakey about messing around a lot with their gimmick or heel/face alignment. They've largely been the same throughout their entire run but you got to see those characters grow. A lot of people appreciate that.

Connection to the audience: they have a huge following and fan base online. A lot of people are happy about them being the champions. There is an "it factor" sort of aura about them regardless of what you think.
Is the "reaction" they want me changing the channel or at least turning the volume down? Because they're excellent at that.

You can write 15 paragraphs to try and convince me that they're good, and it wouldn't change anything. I've seen enough of them across NXT and the main roster to form my opinion of them, which is that I think they're genuinely awful and arguably worse than the Bellas, just without the nepotism.

In order for that opinion to change, they have to change going forward. But considering they've been around for years and barely anything has changed, it doesn't seem likely.
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I love Australians and I'm glad they took the titles from Bayley and Sasha so it's a win-win for me



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I think they're both talented, but they have a Vickie Guerrero-esque gimmick that makes me want them immediately off my screen a lot of the time.

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I like/dislike them as a characters, but as a wrestlers...
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They are awful. In every way imaginable. Can't stand them. They are the definition of go away heat. I can't wait until they are defending those belts on the pre-show against Naomi and Carmella.
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As a New Zealander it should be in my blood to hate them, but I've grown to find them both bloody lovely (even with that damn Strayan twang!)

Also just saw their YouTube video getting their new belt side plates and getting EVERYONE'S opinion backstage what they think of them, bloody hilarious!

Drrrrrrooooeeeeeww!

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IMO, their in ring work should have improved as it leaves MUCH to be desired. However, they get reaction and attention so I guess that is what WWE valued more. They won in heel fashion by picking off the scraps of an already defeated Bayley from Beth.

Beating a team of good workers in a 2 on 2 setting is a hard sell unless they have to cheat every match (i.e.: like they beat Sasha/Bayley by the 2 of them holding Sasha down)....that will get old quickly.
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't get The IIconics?

The tag titles are already worthless. Both women are terrible and don't know how to wrestle but I don't even care. Until WWE creates a real women's tag team division, there is no point in even taking this shit seriously. At least we get to grace our eyes with the glorious Peyton Royce. She's bad AF. It doesn't even make any sense.


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