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Yeah, because he's fat, not because he's not good enough. I swear, you people will defend anything. Somehow, Kofi wasn't good enough for 11 years for you, but now he is, because they decided he was. No wonder nobody takes the IWC seriously. If WWE has Joe win the title from Kofi, you'll all jump on the Joe bandwagon and talk about how much he's improved.

Because Joe is the best mic worker in the company (until Bray is back), he's the most charismatic male on all 3 current rosters, he's the best heel on the roster, and he's the most entertaining man on any show he's on, and he can still put on a good match. Don't bullshit me that he isn't good enough to be the world champion. They've given the WWE title to people who aren't even 1/16'th as good as Joe, and I'm not even talking about Kofi, forget him. It's time to put the belt on Joe already.
But how do the fans respond to him? He doesnt get big enough reactions to warrant a push. Yes hes good and most people respect him but he’s not good enough to catapult him to the top. His heel work is solid but most people can play a solid heel. Kofi got this push because his crowd reactions cant be denied. WWE has struggled to find a baby face fans can get behind and they struck gold with Kofi.

Joe is highly rated on this forum by nearly everyone, but your lying to yourself if you think his crowd reaction is enough to warrant a push over Kofi right now. Look through the eyes of the people in charge.. why the fuck would you push Samoa Joe over Kofi right now?
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It literally just did.
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But how do the fans respond to him? He doesnt get big enough reactions to warrant a push. Yes hes good and most people respect him but he’s not good enough to catapult him to the top. His heel work is solid but most people can play a solid heel. Kofi got this push because his crowd reactions cant be denied. WWE has struggled to find a baby face fans can get behind and they struck gold with Kofi.

Joe is highly rated on this forum by nearly everyone, but your lying to yourself if you think his crowd reaction is enough to warrant a push over Kofi right now. Look through the eyes of the people in charge.. why the fuck would you push Samoa Joe over Kofi right now?
Why would I push Joe? Because he's better than Kofi and it doesn't MATTER. Nobody affects ratings, buyrates, attendance, etc. Nobody. Not one person on this Earth. Ronda Rousey and Brock Lesnar don't mean SHIT in WWE. Conor McGregor couldn't draw in WWE. You could put Donald Trump on WWE tv and people wouldn't watch WWE in 2019. They wouldn't. This is a niche, non drawing product. Kofi getting cheers does not make him a draw. SmackDown just did the worst rating in months for a WrestleMania go home show with Kofi on top. In MONTHS. 11% drop for a go home show to the biggest show of the year. CHEERS are more worthy in terms of deserving a push than that much damage to your ratings?

Even if I say, ok, fine, give Kofis worthless ass the belt. SOMEBODY has to take it off him. Who the fuck is gonna get a better reaction than Joe? AJ Styles, Randy Orton, Daniel Bryan, etc winning would be fucking TIRED and wouldn't get a great reaction. Kevin Owens gets no reaction whatsoever, Andrade gets no reaction whatsoever. What heel deserves to take the title off Kofi? Joe got over great when he was feuding for the title and everybody wanted him to beat AJ. Also, the only time Kofi's gotten booed recently is when he eliminated Joe in the gauntlet match and at Elimination Chamber. People are mad that WWE isn't doing anything with Joe.
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
"Good things in WWE don't happen".

It literally just did. Just look at what thread you are in.
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Why would I push Joe? Because he's better than Kofi and it doesn't MATTER. Nobody affects ratings, buyrates, attendance, etc. Nobody. Not one person on this Earth. Conor McGregor couldn't draw in WWE. You could put Donald Trump on WWE tv and people wouldn't watch WWE in 2019. They wouldn't. This is a niche, non drawing product. Kofi getting cheers does not make him a draw. SmackDown just did the worst rating in months for a WrestleMania go home show with Kofi on top. In MONTHS. 11% drop for a go home show to the biggest show of the year. CHEERS are more worthy in terms of deserving a push than that much damage to your ratings?

Even if I say, ok, fine, give Kofis worthless ass the belt. SOMEBODY has to take it off him. Who the fuck is gonna get a better reaction than Joe? AJ Styles, Randy Orton, Daniel Bryan, etc winning would be fucking TIRED and wouldn't get a great reaction. Kevin Owens gets no reaction whatsoever, Andrade gets no reaction whatsoever. What heel deserves to take the title off Kofi? Joe got over great when he was feuding for the title and everybody wanted him to beat AJ.
See now youre lying to yourself... kofi and the new day move a ton of merch and represent the WWE on social media and whatnot. When i say look through the eyes of the people in charge im telling you to look objectively. Yes YOU think Joe is great and thats fine and dandy but why would vince and co push him? Kofi is a company guy who is getting monster reactions. You think the top brass is just gonna ignore that to push a constipated looking “bad ass” who gets lukewarm reactions, isnt a company guy and a terrible look? Again why the fuck would WWE push that?
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"Good things in WWE don't happen".

It literally just did. Just look at what thread you are in.
I'm in a thread about an untalented, uncharismatic career jobber belittling the WWE Championship. What good happened? Did Samoa Joe win the title off screen and I didn't see it? I sure as hell don't see his name in the title history, so, I say again, good things in WWE do not happen.
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I'm in a thread about an untalented, uncharismatic career jobber belittling the WWE Championship. What good happened? Did Samoa Joe win the title off screen and I didn't see it? I sure as hell don't see his name in the title history, so, I say again, good things in WWE do not happen.
"Untalented" - bollocks.

"Uncharismatic" - bollocks.

"Career jobber" - bollocks.

Just garbage, Pyro. If you're gonna try and make a point, actually make a good one.

Fact is Kofi has been the most over wrestler since the Smackdown before Elimination Chamber in February. Fact is as a part of New Day he has been consistently over for years now. Very strong opinion is he just put on the best match tonight (women's match still to come).

Samoa Joe is great. But it's Kofi's time. Too bad for you
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"Untalented" - bollocks.

"Uncharismatic" - bollocks.

"Career jobber" - bollocks.

Just garbage, Pyro. If you're gonna try and make a point, actually make a good one.
I made a better point than just saying "bollocks" to everything.

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Fact is Kofi has been the most over wrestler since the Smackdown before Elimination Chamber in February. Fact is as a part of New Day he has been consistently over for years now. Very strong opinion is he just put on the best match tonight (women's match still to come).

Samoa Joe is great. But it's Kofi's time. Too bad for you
If you don't think he's worthy of being the world champion, then you don't think he's great. Let's not pretend otherwise. Just say he sucks, I can handle that opinion.

The fact that people cheer Kofi has not translated one fucking iota to business and they just got their worst rating in months for a go home show featured around him. The regular audience is not behind him, the smarks are behind him. The regular audience doesn't care. These cheers are a ridiculous justification for pushing somebody. Business matters, noise doesn't. Were people calling for Santino to win the title in 2012 when he was in this position and just as over, if not more over than Kofi? No, because back then, they knew it wasn't the right idea and what would happen to the title. Now apparently we just let anything slide, and people wonder why nobody watches anymore? I mean, it's staggering. Who wouldn't watch a show that allows nonsense like this?





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tons of good matches you can theoretically do for that belt now

Kofi vs Orton

Kofi vs Nakamura

Kofi vs AJ

Kofi vs Big E

not to mention the superstar shake up could change things.
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I made a better point than just saying "bollocks" to everything.
No, you didn't make a point. You stated opinions without backing them up. So I decided to debunk those in similar fashion.

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If you don't think he's worthy of being the world champion, then you don't think he's great. Let's not pretend otherwise. Just say he sucks, I can handle that opinion.
That's a pretty rubbish way of looking at it. Only two wrestlers can be world champion at a time. If you have 10 great wrestlers, does that mean you have to think 8 suck because they can't be world champion? Silly logic.

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The fact that people cheer him has not translated one fucking iota to business and they just got their worst rating in months for a go home show featured around him. The regular audience is not behind him, the smarks are behind him. The regular audience doesn't care.
The paying audience cheer for him. Every single week. Then you have people on social media who have been in uproar about him not winning the title since elimination chamber. WWE doesn't draw anymore. We know this. Ratings do not mean much anymore, as no matter who is champion, they have done poor in that category for years.
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Anyone who thinks Kofi's going to hold the title longer than the next ppv is delusional.

I guarantee he'll lose it the next SD tbh lol.

Because that's just how Vinny Mac rolls.
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