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Re: **All Smackdown TV Ratings, Buys, Draw Talk Here** - THE BLUE BRAND RATINGS WAR

Top guys are much younger? That's all you have lmao. Seth and Roman are not top guy material.

Cena and Orton, the old guard are so far ahead of them it isn't funny. They are the last of the stars that have name value.

Both Seth and Roman have been given the rocket push for the last 4 years and are still no names who can't move the needle in anyway. You could put anyone in their position and it would be difficult for them to do worse.


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Oh the irony.

Cena and Orton are bigger stars than Roman or Seth will ever be.

AJ is the best wrestler on the planet and can put on a show in the ring.

As much as I don't like Ambrose, he still has a pretty strong fan base which will help get more eyes on Smackdown.

Bray finally has a chance of winning the title and could do great things with it, as he would finally be able to deliver on his words, finally allowing for character progression.

Miz is the best pure heel in the WWE and can even have a great run with the WWE title.

Best tag teams? LOL Smackdown has the best tag team in the WWE right now and could easily hit gold with The Revival moving to Smackdown. What the division lacks is competition, that can be easily corrected with a few credible tag teams being added to the division. If I were to choose AA or a strong tag division, I would take AA in a heartbeat. Jordan and Gable are destined for singles success, they could be the big #1 and #2 they've been looking for since Cena, Batisa and Orton.

As for the Women's division, SD is a hell of a lot fresher and more interesting than the women's version of Seth-Roman they have going on. All they really need is Bayley to put it clear ahead.

The only aspect Raw beats SD is the midcard. Even then, those guys have faced each so many times already that their encounters have no meaning (Owens-Cesaro, Zayn-Owens, etc.)
Cena and Orton on Raw drew shitty numbers, too. Cena coming back did nothing. They are the most stale guys on the roster by MILES. AJ being the best wrestler in the world, which is your opinion, doesn't matter in the least in this conversation. The irony of you mentioning Ambrose in a positive way makes this all the more laughable.

The Revival? Cool, one good team that a part of the fanbase doesn't even know about. Stiil just one team. Sasha and Charlotte is stale? Not by main roster standards it isn't. Sasha was off the show for MONTHS up until recently.

Again, I have no interest in getting into mark wars over two shows produced by the same company anymore. It is extremely childish and corny. All of your posts are extremely into nothing but mark wars, not only with this, but even with just the wrestlers in general. I'm not engaging it anymore. Have fun.

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Stale or not but sds has more variety in their mainevent

There are 8 ppvs for each brand between now and the next draft assuming next draft takes place after wm33 (actually 9 ppvs but rumble match is mainevent so coming up with a fresh match for that show isn't that important)

Ok now assuming brock works only summerslam and wm33 between now and then that leaves raw still needing to come up with 7 ppv mainevents without brock. Reigns and rollins will likely mainevent 2 ppvs..after that you are really taking a chance. Do you immediately put balor in main event or push owens/zayn/cesaro into their first ever singles ppv match or do you use a 45 year old Jericho in that spot. Out if the box booking would have the women or tag teams (new day vs enzo/cass or club) maineventing

SD possible mainevents:
Styles vs cena 2 will obviously happen at summerslam and part 3 to end feud
Styles vs bray
Styles vs ambrose
Styles vs Orton
Wyatt vs orton
Orton vs ambrose

That's 7 of 8 possible mainevents and outside of cena vs styles they are all fresh matchups
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Stale or not but sds has more variety in their mainevent

There are 8 ppvs for each brand between now and the next draft assuming next draft takes place after wm33 (actually 9 ppvs but rumble match is mainevent so coming up with a fresh match for that show isn't that important)

Ok now assuming brock works only summerslam and wm33 between now and then that leaves raw still needing to come up with 7 ppv mainevents without brock. Reigns and rollins will likely mainevent 2 ppvs..after that you are really taking a chance. Do you immediately put balor in main event or push owens/zayn/cesaro into their first ever singles ppv match or do you use a 45 year old Jericho in that spot. Out if the box booking would have the women or tag teams (new day vs enzo/cass or club) maineventing

SD possible mainevents:
Styles vs cena 2 will obviously happen at summerslam and part 3 to end feud
Styles vs bray
Styles vs ambrose
Styles vs Orton
Wyatt vs orton
Orton vs ambrose

That's 7 of 8 possible mainevents and outside of cena vs styles they are all fresh matchups
Yeah, the Raw main events are going to be rather curious. Unless they are planning to hit us with Reigns vs Rollins for the rest of the year, which I honestly wouldn't be surprised at tbh, what and who are going to be the planned feuds going forward. SD has a lot of established talent that can easily slot into a main event for the title. Raw has Reigns, Rollins and Jericho pretty much because Brock won't be around. So either we're getting Reigns and Rollins forever or they actually are going to get creative and move some guys up like Zayn, Owens and more specifically Balor.

Balor/Rollins
Balor/Reigns
Balor/Zayn
Balor/Jericho
Jericho/Reigns
Jericho/Rollins
Owens/Rollins
Owens/Reigns
Zayn/Reigns
Zayn/Rollins

There's plenty they can do but not a lot of those matches feel like real main event matches, especially when compared with what SD can provide with established names like Cena, Orton and Ambrose in the mix. Jobs on Raw to make these guys look legit. Then it won't matter.
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Oh the irony.

Cena and Orton are bigger stars than Roman or Seth will ever be.

AJ is the best wrestler on the planet and can put on a show in the ring.

As much as I don't like Ambrose, he still has a pretty strong fan base which will help get more eyes on Smackdown.

Bray finally has a chance of winning the title and could do great things with it, as he would finally be able to deliver on his words, finally allowing for character progression.

Miz is the best pure heel in the WWE and can even have a great run with the WWE title.

Best tag teams? LOL Smackdown has the best tag team in the WWE right now and could easily hit gold with The Revival moving to Smackdown. What the division lacks is competition, that can be easily corrected with a few credible tag teams being added to the division. If I were to choose AA or a strong tag division, I would take AA in a heartbeat. Jordan and Gable are destined for singles success, they could be the big #1 and #2 they've been looking for since Cena, Batisa and Orton.

As for the Women's division, SD is a hell of a lot fresher and more interesting than the women's version of Seth-Roman they have going on. All they really need is Bayley to put it clear ahead.

The only aspect Raw beats SD is the midcard. Even then, those guys have faced each so many times already that their encounters have no meaning (Owens-Cesaro, Zayn-Owens, etc.)
White knighting SmackDown (Or RAW) this hard is, quite honestly, embarassing. It's useless, you just end up looking like a fool in the process. Both shows have their strong points, as well as weak points. I get it, your fave AJ is on SD so of course you're gonna shit the other show because reasons, but just stop.
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I'd rather watch Reigns/Rollins than Cena/Orton but whatever.

Then you have Zayn, Owens and Balor, while SD has Styles, Ambrose and Wyatt. Ambrose and Wyatt do nothing for me atm, while Zayn and Owens are pretty great. Add in Rusev, Cesaro and the CW division and Raw wins easily.

People hyping Cena and Orton's star power, I hope you're real happy when they hog the title spot for the 11th year.



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White knighting SmackDown (Or RAW) this hard is, quite honestly, embarassing. It's useless, you just end up looking like a fool in the process. Both shows have their strong points, as well as weak points. I get it, your fave AJ is on SD so of course you're gonna shit the other show because reasons, but just stop.
If AJ were on Raw in place of Rollins/Reigns. I would have said the same thing, SD > Raw. You can't have a strong show with only 2 top acts (made even worse if they're overexposed and stale like Roman and Rollins). As much hate as Cena and Orton get, they are the last two full time acts in the WWE whose names hold value.

The midcard for Raw is well ahead of SD, but the issue is those guys have faced each other so many times before, that too on the last few months on Raw. I was hoping a few of them would be split allowing for fresher feuds, but that isn't the case at all.

As for the tag division and women's divison, I'm not a big fan of TND, Enzo & Cass, TC, Charolette or Sasha, so it's not really difficult for me to prefer the SD tag division and women's division.

The Cruiserweight division is an unknown, but if given the proper time and importance, it could be a huge upside for Raw.

As a whole, there isn't really anything exciting about Raw. They have 3 hours to fill with a much weaker main event scene. The shows were 3 hours of trash before, how are they going to go without half the roster? It's really easy to like SD, for one, it is only 2 hours meaning less fillers and dead air.
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I'd rather watch Reigns/Rollins than Cena/Orton but whatever.

Then you have Zayn, Owens and Balor, while SD has Styles, Ambrose and Wyatt. Ambrose and Wyatt do nothing for me atm, while Zayn and Owens are pretty great. Add in Rusev, Cesaro and the CW division and Raw wins easily.

People hyping Cena and Orton's star power, I hope you're real happy when they hog the title spot for the 11th year.
I'd rather watch Cena/Orton.

Always been a fan of Orton, Cena despite all the hate, has proven he can go in the ring and has been involved in a lot of the biggest feuds, matches and angles in the last 10 years. He is easily a superior overall performer to both Rollins and Reigns, and is probably the best mic worker in the company today.

Vince was 100% spot on when he chose him to be the FOTC, he has it ALL. What has turned fans on him is his overbooking and stale character, which are no fault of his own. He could have been much bigger than he is now if the WWE hadn't stuck him with the PG character.
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Reigns/Rollins already buried ratings before. I don't see why it'll be any different the second time around, if that's the path they're going forward with for Raw. Reigns' appeal is probably at an all time low at this point, too.
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Today's episode is the highest they'll probably ever get. Garbage show top to bottom.
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