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The mark wars have already begun!

On top of smarks, anti-smarks, workrate marks, size marks etc, now we have Raw marks and SD marks.
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But Smackdown did worse than on Friday nights, which is the absolute worst night for tv outside of Saturdays.

I agree that the brand split hurts the depth, which is why it's probably a lousy idea, but that hurts Smackdown just as well.

Raw has football to contend with, and Smackdown has the weaker roster + B show perception to deal with. I don't know if the former is a more valid excuse.
I don't know...it's the NFL. They obliterate the WWE every year, and more and more seemingly every year. Raw also has 3 hours to contend and that 3rd hour always hurts their overall number, too.

Both shows have their issues, though. If I was Vince, I would always be more and more fearful every Fall due to the NFL. It's just such a ratings beast, it's crazy.

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I don't know...it's the NFL. They obliterate the WWE every year, and more and more seemingly every year. Raw also has 3 hours to contend and that 3rd hour always hurts their overall number, too.

Both shows have their issues, though. If I was Vince, I would always be more and more fearful every Fall due to the NFL. It's just such a ratings beast, it's crazy.
I personally believe that it's harder to build something than to maintain it.

RAW does at worst, what, 2.9 million around football time? Smackdown is starting from around 2.1 million. It's pretty unrealistic to expect paths to cross when those numbers are starting so differently, IMO. Especially because Vince's heart is pretty clearly with RAW, as are pretty much all of his favorites. The latter reflects the importance & resources he places on RAW.

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I personally believe that it's harder to build something than to maintain it.

RAW does at worst, what, 2.9 million around football time? Smackdown is starting from around 2.1 million. It's pretty unrealistic to expect paths to cross when those numbers are starting so differently, IMO. Especially because Vince's heart is pretty clearly with RAW, as are pretty much all of his favorites. The latter reflects the importance & resources he places on RAW.
The thing is, ever since late 2015, with even a full roster, the 3rd hour of Raw has hit 2.9 (and even lower) multiple times, without even contending with the NFL. It's only going to get worse once football season starts.

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For a show that the actual draft took place on, AND had Raw guys (the entire WWE roster) on it, that is a ghastly number. No competition, no 3rd hour to drag them down. Scary bad number.

People feel SD got raped because Cena and Orton are stale and haven't drawn anything on TV in years. And outside of that their next two biggest names are Dean Ambrose and AJ Styles..
1. Damn dude, you're acting as if Smackdown got a 1.5 in the ratings or something. This is a good start. It's not anything terrific, but it's something to move with going forward. And I would consider the RNC to be competition but that's just me.

2. Who the hell said Smackdown got raped in the draft? I honestly think they got the better overall roster despite it being smaller.



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1. Damn dude, you're acting as if Smackdown got a 1.5 in the ratings or something. This is a good start. It's not anything terrific, but it's something to move with going forward. And I would consider the RNC to be competition but that's just me.

2. Who the hell said Smackdown got raped in the draft? I honestly think they got the better overall roster despite it being smaller.
It was alright. Should've been alot better with the draft taking place, though.

Everywhere I'v seen, podcasts, sites, etc. But it is to be expected that a show with 3 hours is deeper.

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It was alright. Should've been alot better with the draft taking place, though.

Everywhere I'v seen, podcasts, sites, etc. But it is to be expected that a show with 3 hours is deeper.
Lets get real here. If they actually book Smackdown well, it will be the #1 show. They have the bigger stars and only have 2 hours, meaning less filler crap between the important stuff. They could realistically have 3 top feuds going on plus tag matches and a few womens feuds.

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I personally believe that it's harder to build something than to maintain it.

RAW does at worst, what, 2.9 million around football time? Smackdown is starting from around 2.1 million. It's pretty unrealistic to expect paths to cross when those numbers are starting so differently, IMO. Especially because Vince's heart is pretty clearly with RAW, as are pretty much all of his favorites. The latter reflects the importance & resources he places on RAW.
Raw did 2.9 million at worst around football time, but we'll see how they do as soon as MNF comes back in 2016. If they're hovering around 3 million before football, if a dip kicks in, their ceiling could be the 2.6 million they did on July 4th.

We're going to find out in the coming month or two how the shows will be quality-wise.

I don't know about Raw for the immediate future. I know I'm not personally excited to see Reigns vs Rollins as the main feud for another month and I think it's past its peak, assuming that's the SummerSlam match. Raw also doesn't have Cena, Orton, or Styles now. Brock may have a bit of an influence going into SummerSlam, mostly because of his recent controversy, but I doubt he sticks around into September.

Raw has a stronger midcard and more variety, but without a strong A-story, the stakes will be lower. I can't think of a wrestling promotion that's ever thrived with a strong midcard and a tame main event scene.

With that said, 3.0 million people is considered a bump for Smackdown. That likely goes away in the next month.
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Lets get real here. If they actually book Smackdown well, it will be the #1 show. They have the bigger stars and only have 2 hours, meaning less filler crap between the important stuff. They could realistically have 3 top feuds going on plus tag matches and a few womens feuds.
There top guys are Cena, Orton (most stale guys in the company by miles), AJ, and Dean? That's a weak as fuck main event. The mid card is even worse. They are paper thin in both main event and especially the mid card level. The only thing that hurts Raw is the third hour, bro. Top guys that are much younger, the entire cruiserweight division, best tag teams (Enzo/Cass, New Day, Club) best women (Sasha & Charlotte). But whatever. I'm not going to get into mark wars for the same freaking company You're all about it, go for it. I'm not doing it. I'm happy with Raw outside of the 3rd hour.


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There top guys are Cena, Orton (most stale guys in the company by miles), AJ, and Dean? That's a weak as fuck main event. The mid card is even worse. The only thing that hurts Raw is the third hour, bro. Top guys that are much younger, the entire cruiserweight division, best tag teams (Enzo/Cass, New Day, Club) best women (Sasha & Charlotte). But whatever. I'm not going to get into mark wars for the same freaking company You're all about it, go for it. I'm not doing it. I'm happy with Raw outside of the 3rd hour.
Oh the irony.

Cena and Orton are bigger stars than Roman or Seth will ever be.

AJ is the best wrestler on the planet and can put on a show in the ring.

As much as I don't like Ambrose, he still has a pretty strong fan base which will help get more eyes on Smackdown.

Bray finally has a chance of winning the title and could do great things with it, as he would finally be able to deliver on his words, finally allowing for character progression.

Miz is the best pure heel in the WWE and can even have a great run with the WWE title.

Best tag teams? LOL Smackdown has the best tag team in the WWE right now and could easily hit gold with The Revival moving to Smackdown. What the division lacks is competition, that can be easily corrected with a few credible tag teams being added to the division. If I were to choose AA or a strong tag division, I would take AA in a heartbeat. Jordan and Gable are destined for singles success, they could be the big #1 and #2 they've been looking for since Cena, Batisa and Orton.

As for the Women's division, SD is a hell of a lot fresher and more interesting than the women's version of Seth-Roman they have going on. All they really need is Bayley to put it clear ahead.

The only aspect Raw beats SD is the midcard. Even then, those guys have faced each so many times already that their encounters have no meaning (Owens-Cesaro, Zayn-Owens, etc.)


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