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These Reunion Shows Highlight the Problem: There's No Real "STARS" on the Roster

My thoughts are all over the place so sorry in advance.

It feels like every time there's a reunion show, stars of the past show up and their presence is instantly felt. In some cases their presence overshadows the presence of stars on the current roster. That isn't surprising since most wrestlers on the current roster have zero presence. Brock, Roman and maybe to a lesser extent Joe (some may debate Joe, but I see it in him. He just gets booked like shit) are the only ones that I believe have any kind of presence. Everyone else are just random guys on a roster.

A lot of the current talent either came out to silence or minimal reaction tonight. I was even surprised at the dull reaction Roman got when he came out. Wyatt was surprisingly over but how long will that last when the new gimmick gets old? Meanwhile all the past stars were over every time their name was mentioned. You can call it nostalgia pops, but WWE has had a million reunion shows so it's more than that. It's the fact that the WWE audience sees these guys as the real stars. It's easy to understand. These guys were in an era when wrestling was a hotter product so their star power benefited from it.

Triple H trying to use DX and the nWo to get Rollins over was a complete backfire. Rollins looked like a complete dork trying to be cool with DX & the nWo. It was like the lame kid at the lunch table who the cool kids decided to let sit with them and the lame kid gets super excited. That's what Rollins looked like when he did Billy's suck it line and got excited to be in the cool kids group huddle. And this guy was just one of the two World Champions in the company a couple weeks ago!


It's a major problem. Not counting the part timers Brock and Cena, I feel like Roman is the only real "star" in the company. Orton doesn't even feel as legendary as he should be and he's a 13 time World Champion. Rollins, AJ, Bryan, Braun, and everyone at that level are the B+ players or mini stars that can be in the main-event, but it's not like "omg it's Seth Rollins" It's more like, "oh cool, it's Seth Rollins "


This is WWE's fault for their 50/50 booking, not making anything matter, and only caring about 3, 4 or 5 guys over the last 10 years.
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Word. People always bitch that the crowd is 'dead'.

Same 'dead' crowd busted a nut all over the place when that glass shattered.


Step 1, get people that look like bad ass stars.

Step 2, get someone that has charisma.

That's it. Fuck 'ring work' when you can't even get people to care.

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AMEN!! This is a no win situation. Only win is that small ratings bump for 1 show.

In hindsite, the more you rely on the past, the more the current audience becomes immune to the " old stars" when they come back...Then, after a while the pops become less. As a result, the WWE then downgrades the current product and makes us, the viewer, believe that they're current talent IS inferior to the past...when in reality NO body except Mick Foley put over anyone today and even then that attempt was was kind of weak but I suppose better than nothing.

The fact that Vince barely plans Raw moments before it goes on air is scary. Shows you how unstable his mindset is. Theres NO long term booking. The mindset is the brand >> than the talent. And when talent is shit, ironically brand follows suit.


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John Cena coming back and getting the pop of a prime Austin and Rock was all anybody really needed to see. Been beating this to death for years, great in ring roster sure other than that...
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Triple H trying to use DX and the nWo to get Rollins over was a complete backfire. Rollins looked like a complete dork trying to be cool with DX & the nWo. It was like the lame kid at the lunch table who the cool kids decided to let sit with them and the lame kid gets super excited. That's what Rollins looked like when he did Billy's suck it line and got excited to be in the cool kids group huddle. And this guy was just one of the two World Champions in the company a couple weeks ago!
So Seth Rollins is XPac 2.0
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Thing is though this shit draws, Im wondering what the attendence was tonight,

I have my doubts that tarpy had any run-ins, and yeah roof came off for Austin, meanwhile Seth is over there sounding like Sylvester the Cat. Comes a point where you have to look at individual ownership of character. Because Austin and Hogan are generally heralded for their character work, which we don't see enough of these days.


50/50 booking isn't the issue, Kofi is pushed strong af and has had a very lukewarm reception as champion. It's lack of character depth.
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Theres gotta be better stories, promo work, etc...the WWE is a mess. Not trying to suggest they should copy AEW but that company is major fresh of air, they dont over kill it with forced cringe and seem modern compared to this mess.
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I don't care about these old goats anymore, they are too old, its embarrassing. WWE has gone to the well too many times with the geezers and part timers.

Apart from the calamitously bad Universal Title stuff, the number one thing they do to me that has soured me on WWE recently, especially in the past 5 years, is having champions lose clean all the time. Seems like I've seen it 200 times in the past 5 years, and you know what? I PROBABLY HAVE.

How is anybody supposed to feel like a winner when you see him or her lose all the time? You know what people you see lose all the time are? THEY ARE LOSERS.

No shit these guys don't feel like stars when even when they are supposed to be champs they are clean-jobbing once a month. Austin feels like a star, Cena feels like a star, even Rock who lost a ton feels like a star, because when they were champs, they weren't feeding, selling and showing ass and taking pins verbally and physically when they were champs. They were CHAMPS. Hogan probably lost clean in 20 years fewer times than anybody on the roster has in the past year, its absurd how often they have champs CLEAN-JOBBING ON FREE TV TO NO PURPOSE.

Or WWE's favorite lately, people beating champions clean to get a chance to beat the champion? Like really? What sense is that supposed to make to a viewer?

i saw something on Squared Circle where it was something like, in the last 180 days, champions lost 39 times and kept their belts. 39 times! If the champions are losing 5, 6, 7 times a month, why are they the promotion's champions?! They want a sports like appearance and presentation, well, in most sports, 50-50 ball doesn't even get a team into the playoffs, much less make that team the champions! How many times have you seen a boxer or MMA person lose as champion and remain champion? Zero times, right? So why is WWE doing it 40, 50, 60+ times a year?

"Wins and losses don't matter, pal!"



Really? Then why was the industry so much bigger when they were treated like they did, you numbnuts McMahon family?

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Austin and The Rock are still all anybody cares about 20 years later. That's a problem.
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Re: These Reunion Shows Highlight the Problem: There's No Real "STARS" on the Roster

As I said already in tonight's Raw thread, this current era is the era of good wrestlers who have zero charisma.

Look at the old guys who they brought back tonight, Stone Cold, Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, DX to name a few, they had charisma in bucket loads, to this day they still ooze charisma.

As for today's current roster how many guys have the "It Factor", how many guys have the wrestling ability as well as charisma? I can't even name ten. Daniel Bryan, Samoa Joe, Bray Wyatt, Kevin Owens and The Miz are the only five that can hold my attention, most of which though are practically mid carders who get shit on and deserve better. The rest of the roster is full of uninteresting bores, Seth Rollins right now tops that list, good wrestler but the guy is a cringeworthy goof.

This will continue to be WWE's problem because they don't even attempt to create new stars, everything they do nowadays comes across as lazy.
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