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The reason why I am asking is because what is the metrics used for good ratings today. Letís take music for example, back in 2000 if you sold 1m records u were seen as successful. In todayís digital age no one sells 1m records but there are a lot of successful artists out there.
I just think we have to take into account the damage digital media and social media has done to cable tv.
In 1998 when stone cold came on my tv it was must see tv and u wouldnít dare miss it because I wasnít sure if it would come on again. In todayís time if stone cold came on my tv and I was busy, I would simply skip raw and watch it 24 hours later on Hulu.
Also the rock is the goat but his show the titans only did 1.8 in ratings.

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Smackdown live is no 1.
Until I see raw and smackdown fall out of the top 10 I wonít worry. The big worry for wwe is the low attendance record at venues in my opinion.
If WWE can stop the fall and remain above 2MM for the next several years they will be fine. They wonít survive on Fox, but somebody will pick them up. The point you seem to be missing is that the conversation is not about where they are in the rankings, itís the drastic YoY drop that if they donít stop or severely curb they will not be on television anymore. There are other factors working against them like demos, ad rates, and just the stigma of pro wrestling in general. They need to be solidly in the top 10 in order for networks to want them. The only things they bring are they are live (usually) and they add to the raw viewership figures which keeps USA relevant. Itís a balancing act. Networks can hold their nose and put pro wrestling on their schedule if they are bringing in 2MM to 3MM viewers per hour. As they get closer to 1MM the stench starts to become too much. WWE knows this and Fox and NBCU know this and thatís why there is a scramble to throw things at the wall and see what sticks.

Man, going down after last weekís effort and a go home show. Plus the people that tuned in canít have liked what they saw. They better make ER a newsworthy show.
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Damn, they just can't get that third hour up.

I still think even the most basic promotion is where WWE is lacking when it comes to Raw. Remember the Attitude Era when they announced what the main event was a week out? I'm not talking "it'll happen somewhere during the show", I mean the MAIN EVENT.

Give people at least some possible incentive to tune in.
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Damn, they just can't get that third hour up.

I still think even the most basic promotion is where WWE is lacking when it comes to Raw. Remember the Attitude Era when they announced what the main event was a week out? I'm not talking "it'll happen somewhere during the show", I mean the MAIN EVENT.

Give people at least some possible incentive to tune in.
I agree with your premise, but I think they avoid announcing main events partly because they know they will be underwhelming. I get that a lot of it is because of the late rewrites, but if you said the main event is Roman and a JAG vs Shane & Drew thatís not going to help the third hour. If you have something like Batista returning it can help. But with this roster short of the title being on the line I donít think there is much they can do.
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I agree with your premise, but I think they avoid announcing main events partly because they know they will be underwhelming. I get that a lot of it is because of the late rewrites, but if you said the main event is Roman and a JAG vs Shane & Drew thatís not going to help the third hour. If you have something like Batista returning it can help. But with this roster short of the title being on the line I donít think there is much they can do.
I think it's more that these clowns don't even know what Raw looks like until an hour before the cameras start rolling, sometimes even less.
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I think it's more that these clowns don't even know what Raw looks like until an hour before the cameras start rolling, sometimes even less.
Thatís definitely the biggest part of it.
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I think it's more that these clowns don't even know what Raw looks like until an hour before the cameras start rolling, sometimes even less.
Any decision is better than indecision. There are rumors going around that RAW is to a point where they don't know every match on the card not just on Monday morning, but as the show is happening and they are booking matches as the show is going. There are also grumblings that they are rewriting promos and segments and handing revised or even totally new scripts to people as the show is ongoing as well. Its just a steak wrap fiasco. We know who is principally to "thank"...



But the networks and investors are finally riding them for these lousy numbers which makes it even more "scrambling eggs"



Then as all this Keystone Kops malarkey is happening, they're booking all these weird stipulations and break ups to matches due to the no-wrestling-through-commercials edict, whoever that is from. That ain't helpin' matters.

Edit: The most troubling thing to me is the flattening of the numbers. If all numbers do 2.whatever with no big difference, eh. That shows that the people that are left are the full-show viewers and there is no interest spikes and very few sort of pop-in viewers and stuff like that going on. The convergence of viewers for all the hours for RAW could be really bad for them if the overall total viewership number goes down. Imagine them going down from these numbers somehow by about 300,000 during MNF. We're looking at a whole show being 2 flat or below.


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Those are great numbers, most of the top shows on cable do 500k-1m viewers

The reason why I am asking is because what is the metrics used for good ratings today. Let’s take music for example, back in 2000 if you sold 1m records u were seen as successful. In today’s digital age no one sells 1m records but there are a lot of successful artists out there.
I just think we have to take into account the damage digital media and social media has done to cable tv.
In 1998 when stone cold came on my tv it was must see tv and u wouldn’t dare miss it because I wasn’t sure if it would come on again. In today’s time if stone cold came on my tv and I was busy, I would simply skip raw and watch it 24 hours later on Hulu.
Also the rock is the goat but his show the titans only did 1.8 in ratings.

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Smackdown live is no 1.
Until I see raw and smackdown fall out of the top 10 I won’t worry. The big worry for wwe is the low attendance record at venues in my opinion.
It's not about where their show ranks. It's about how much that show costs a TV network to carry vs how many viewers that show brings in. TV Networks want to make money. You can't make money by spending a ton of money on a show that doesn't bring in alot of viewers.

WWE needs to have ratings far above it's competition to justify what TV networks pay them for the show. Otherwise, what is the incentive for a TV network to keep them? USA could make more money putting reruns of The Office on during their monday night time slot. They aren't going to bring iin the same ratings as Raw, but they'll cost far less.

TV shows get cancelled all the time when the cost of the show far outweights the benefits of additional viewers. When a TV show becomes to costly to produce, it's generally cancelled. I see the same thing happening to WWE.

Nobody is going to pay them $1 billion dollars for similar ratings that got WCW and TNA cancelled.

And you make an interesting point about Musicians. Yes, fewer records are being sold now than in 2000. Therefore, you see far fewer record stores now, than in 2000. Many record stores went out of business. Same thing will happen to wrestling on cable tv. Since there are few fewer consumers of wrestling on cable TV, inevitably there will be less wrestling on cable TV. Now, perhaps it will be consumed in different medias (like WWE Network). But in your example, the record store is like Cable TV. It is delivering the product. If the product is no longer selling, the store goes out of business or changes what it sells. For Cable TV, I don't think USA will go out of business, but I do think they will have to change what they air on their channel
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The go-home show that sucked decreased from last week. Imagine that.

Look at the downward spiral the viewership and ratings took after the post-WM RAW. Holy shit, how drastic. RAW hasn't even touched at or above 3 million viewers all year. This is very troubling and will only prove to be difficult once the fall hits.
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Wow after last week, and on the go home show and they opened so low. They gotta hit another panic button soon.


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The go-home show that sucked decreased from last week. Imagine that.

Look at the downward spiral the viewership and ratings took after the post-WM RAW. Holy shit, how drastic. RAW hasn't even touched at or above 3 million viewers all year. This is very troubling and will only prove to be difficult once the fall hits.
3 million viewers? They're dreaming of that for an overall show these days, After Superstar Shakeup/Draft Night, they only broke 2.5 million overall viewers once, the first show back after Money in the Bank.



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