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Even so, they can't book him in every segment.

At this stage, I just can't see how WWE can turn its declining viewership around. Heyman and Rollins aren't the solution and I am not sure who is to be honest.
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I don’t know why you guys are obsessed about ratings. Raw and smackdown are going no where. Raw is the top rated show on USA network and as long as it stays like that they will be fine. Wwe is carrying USA network. Also you guys need to realize cable television is dead. Seriously how many of you guys actually use cable tv. Why pay $130 for cable tv when you can purchase hulu and sling tv for $30/month and get the same channels. Let’s face it apart from the nfl and nba nothing else draws on tv. Some of the best shows on tv draws only 500k viewers. Guys honestly in this day and age 2m viewers is awesome for a nitch product like wrestling.
Can we get over the ratings wwe did in the 90’s. That was a pop culture phenomenon that cannot be repeated again. John cena got lucky that the product was still hot when he was made face of the company. By the end of cena’s 10 year reign, the ratings had tanked completely. There are very few guys in history that have drawn in the Casual audience in America. The last 30 years I will say hogan, austin, rock, nwo and bill goldberg. Undertaker, Bret, hbk, etc did not bring in any casual audience so why are people expecting rollins to bring them in. For crying out loud hbk was at one point the lowest drawing champion in history despite how great he was. This was also a show that heavily featured the undertaker.
As fans we look at things through nostalgia and rose tinted glasses.
Face it guys until Austin showed up wwe was in the toilet ratings wise. After the departure of rock and Austin, the ratings have continued to slide. People don’t realize that the casual audience in the 90’s were only rock and Austin fans, while some liked DX. I watched hhh first promo when he became wwf champion and you could here a pin drop, utter silence. I think we should stop measuring this generation of talents to the greatest era in history.
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heyman was brought in for one reason. To please the marks.
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Austin's opening segment did very well according to Meltzer. It speaks volumes of how poor the current roster is that the viewership then fell off a cliff as the 3 hours went on.

Next week could be very ugly. They won't even have Austin around for a slight lift in hour 1.
It's not even the worst hour 1 to hour 3 falloff this year. So yeah, I'm sure the Austin segment did the best of all the segments, but it was still a pretty low rated 1st hour. Last year's first hour still had 400k or so more viewers, and that was without Austin.

And it was declining this time last year too. But since November 2018, ratings have fallen off a cliff moreso than the usual rate.
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Even so, they can't book him in every segment.

At this stage, I just can't see how WWE can turn its declining viewership around. Heyman and Rollins aren't the solution and I am not sure who is to be honest.
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The second WWE started to book wrestling for the smart marks, started to push indy darlings to the top of the card when they should be curtain jerking or not even being on the roster, and the second they abandoned pro wrestling for the indy high spot high spot finisher false finish no sell garbage style, they were doomed. They don't even try to hire guys who have upside as pro wrestlers(Good look, can talk, charisma, presence, character, etc) they just hire guys who get over with 28 people in a high school gym who have no redeeming qualities as a pro wrestler.
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Iím always surprised they have even 1 person that watches this shit so itís always an amazing number to me

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The second WWE started to book wrestling for the smart marks, started to push indy darlings to the top of the card when they should be curtain jerking or not even being on the roster, and the second they abandoned pro wrestling for the indy high spot high spot finisher false finish no sell garbage style, they were doomed. They don't even try to hire guys who have upside as pro wrestlers(Good look, can talk, charisma, presence, character, etc) they just hire guys who get over with 28 people in a high school gym who have no redeeming qualities as a pro wrestler.
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The top people in WWE right now are for the most part WWE's hand picked, long term roster investments, many of which came up through the developmental territories and performance center from WWE and have little experience in wrestling in other promotions, if any at all. Or else they were on the indy scene for a few years nearly 10 years ago, then spent the rest of the time with WWE, somebody like an Erick Rowan.
I mean, you could call Rollins an "indy darling" but he was with ROH for 4 years and has been with WWE for 9 years at this point. Roman Reigns is pure, uncut WWE talent. Ambrose/Moxley was an indy darling who got short-end-of-the-stick booking as a Shield member, at least from his perspective, and isn't even in the company anymore. Kofi Kingston wrestled and trained for a few months 14 years ago before WWE signed him. Remember all those great independent matches Kofi had in "Chaotic Wrestling?" Yeah, me neither. Brock Lesnar didn't work independent wrestling show's prior to WWE. He's his own beast, with the MMA matches and stuff in Japan, but he is by no means an indy darling, either.
As for the rest of the majorly pushed wrestlers lately and major angles going on, much of it now involves pure WWE performers who never worked a second in another company.
Alexa Bliss, Braun Strowman, Bray Wyatt, Baron Corbin, Charlotte Flair, Dolph Ziggler. None of those people are indy darlings at all.
As a matter of fact, anybody who has watched WWE lately knows that having an extensive and successful independent wrestling pedigree can be of great DETRIMENT to a wrestler's booking. Ask EC3 and Robert Roode if they think its done 'em any favors. AJ Styles escaped the stigma, Samoa "Job" certainly didn't. WWE isn't using the stars they are buying that well, and they aren't successfully making their own Homegrown wrestlers, at least not to any major extent.
There is this notion that WWE knows how to do wrestling the right way, and there is this Indy Darling Infestation that needs to be purged or something, at least that's the impression I get. But there's really nothing going on that involves "indy darlings" at Clash of Champions, apart from, surprisingly enough, Becky Lynch and Sasha Banks, and maybe the Nakamura match. Maybe whatever they have Owens do and whatever they have Daniel Bryan do. That's pretty much it.
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Even Sasha was barely in the indies before going to the WWE.
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Austin's opening segment did very well according to Meltzer. It speaks volumes of how poor the current roster is that the viewership then fell off a cliff as the 3 hours went on.

Next week could be very ugly. They won't even have Austin around for a slight lift in hour 1.
Thatís a key point IMO. They dropped 22% from last yearís NFL week 1. Without Austin that might have been 30% or more. This has to be a real concern for them at this point.

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I see your point. But on the part about "I donít think people have an expectation of seeing late 90s levels of viewership."

Wanna use a example that may sorta fit. Look at soaps, some have been on for 50 plus years... the viewership is not even close to what it once was. Yet they still chug along. Their tiny fanbase is ecstatic they are still on the air. I'm happy WWE is still running.
I donít know much about soaps, but havenít many of them gone away in recent years?

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I don't get this at all. like at all. in 2017 I was very close to stop watching WWE until Charlotte/AJ became champs on SD in short span before SurvivorSeries, but 2017 SD was WOAT TV for example. I'll watch a show as long as I know the characters in it and have invested a little bit in them. If they start to give airtime to characters I don't care about I'll go insane. For example: I probably skipped 95% of any episode of GOT that were centered around Bran or Sam. I don't give a fuck how important they are/were to the story, I just couldn't stomach them on TV. If you have a full roster like that and you're still watching.. for years..
Well, what can I say my friend? You may be right and it doesn't make sense. I guess I have some issues, LOL. But I do enjoy breaking it down even though I think very little of the product and I promise I donít do it to get a rise out of people. I try to be as fair and honest as I can be. I just find the ratings stuff very interesting.
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