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All Raw TV Ratings, Buys, Attendance, Draw Talk Here - THE RATINGS STUFF PART VII - NUMBERZ

**All TV Ratings, Buys, Draw Talk Here**

Previous thread HERE : https://www.wrestlingforum.com/raw/...talk-here-ratings-war-part-vi-lolratings.html

NEW THREAD PEEPS!!!

It's the ratings thread, that thing that WWE apparently doesn't give a shit about, yeah (right)?

The next chapter in the ongoing saga that is the numbers game. Where numbers and decimal points gets analysed to the tenth degree and the dreaded 'Draw' phrase gets bought up and people get their handbags out and have a 'discussion' over a bunch of numbers about their favourites and how they draw and when they don't draw it's because nobody is a draw.

Even people who don't watch are enamored by dem numbers. It's all about the bloody numberz.

NUMBERZ. NUMBERZ. NUMBERZ.

THE RATINGS WAR PART VII

 
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#42 ·
Drawing 2.3 million viewers in the 3rd hour is good for the standard of the time. Rollins' 3rd hour segments with Bryan, Styles, Zayn, etc have struggled to stay above 2 million in recent months.

WWE should push Lynch and Rollins into the background. And feature the Lashley/Strowman, the Club, and Undertaker more. That approach clearly worked this week.
 
#54 ·
I was looking at the ratings of the top tv shows and all their ratings suck especially shows such as empire or Atlanta. A lot of these popular shows are doing sub 1m. I can’t hate on wwe’s ratings anymore due to the way television viewership is declining. The fact that wwe programming are the top rated shows on cable television tells a lot. With all that said, wwe needs to do a better job with the shows.
 
#58 ·
Still an 8% decline year over year. Not good numbers at all - especially not good that this is an improvement and looks good compared to recent weeks.

Undertaker may have brought an uptick, but as we’ve seen in the past with part-time wrestlers who start showing up weekly, even their impact eventually gets down to nothing.
 
#59 ·
Agree 100%. The ratings might of been decent this week, but look at the overall picture. The ratings are down from last year. I attribute the ratings bump to Heyman this week, but that won't last.
 
#60 · (Edited)
Instead of thinking year over year drop, instead think about the company as having a pre-Shield and Brock focal point era and now the Shield-And-Brock Era. It depends where you want to set the cut-off point for the transitional period to the main focus being Brock Lesnar and Shield members, but maybe saying the transition away from Cena and others after Punk was out the door and Bryan was shelved for medical reasons could be started in say, July 2016 when the UT was instituted and the first champ being Finn Balor in August as the beginning of a sort of "transitional champion" period to Brock Lesnar and Shield members.

The numbers at this period of time all reliably were competing for 3 million an hour and over 3 million for the show overall. In June and July 2016, you can read reports on ratings and viewerships like, "Ratings down big from last year" and then see every hour was above 3 million. Whereas if you read a report about ratings being down big overall, that means the numbers are down 20 percent or more from where they were in 2018, and every hour was sub-2.5 million with the third hour close to 2 million flat.

Only going back 1 year is covering this "Universal Era" up quite a bit. Go back 3 to 5 years and the drop off is crazy. Its much bigger than the dropoff in viewership for television in general now. They are not "falling with style" anymore, they are just free-falling.

It really is something to see a show go 2.5 million/2.7 million/2.3 million and have people praising it. Everything is not fine. They need to consistently build on these numbers to even get to so much as 1 hour hitting 3 million viewers.
 
#61 ·
Second hour was decent with a boost but then it dropped over 300,000 for hour #3.

Hour 1 was not a good number, Hour 2 was solid but the increase was astroturf with buzz from Heyman and the open. Hour 3 on paper is traditionally higher and a good number but still dropped considerably from hour 2 which is a concern.
 
#73 ·
Quick question why do u guys use past ratings to judge current ratings? Since we all agree that cable tv today is not the same as it was 5 or 10 years ago due to live streams, Hulu, etc why can’t we use current tv shows as a metric. While I understand that ratings are not what it was, the fact that raw and smackdown live are the top rated shows on tv tells me that they are doing just fine in today’s ratings climate.
 
#79 ·
Those are great numbers, most of the top shows on cable do 500k-1m viewers

The reason why I am asking is because what is the metrics used for good ratings today. Let’s take music for example, back in 2000 if you sold 1m records u were seen as successful. In today’s digital age no one sells 1m records but there are a lot of successful artists out there.
I just think we have to take into account the damage digital media and social media has done to cable tv.
In 1998 when stone cold came on my tv it was must see tv and u wouldn’t dare miss it because I wasn’t sure if it would come on again. In today’s time if stone cold came on my tv and I was busy, I would simply skip raw and watch it 24 hours later on Hulu.
Also the rock is the goat but his show the titans only did 1.8 in ratings.

https://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/tuesday-cable-ratings-july-2-2019/
Smackdown live is no 1.
Until I see raw and smackdown fall out of the top 10 I won’t worry. The big worry for wwe is the low attendance record at venues in my opinion.
 
#87 · (Edited)
It's not about where their show ranks. It's about how much that show costs a TV network to carry vs how many viewers that show brings in. TV Networks want to make money. You can't make money by spending a ton of money on a show that doesn't bring in alot of viewers.

WWE needs to have ratings far above it's competition to justify what TV networks pay them for the show. Otherwise, what is the incentive for a TV network to keep them? USA could make more money putting reruns of The Office on during their monday night time slot. They aren't going to bring iin the same ratings as Raw, but they'll cost far less.

TV shows get cancelled all the time when the cost of the show far outweights the benefits of additional viewers. When a TV show becomes to costly to produce, it's generally cancelled. I see the same thing happening to WWE.

Nobody is going to pay them $1 billion dollars for similar ratings that got WCW and TNA cancelled.

And you make an interesting point about Musicians. Yes, fewer records are being sold now than in 2000. Therefore, you see far fewer record stores now, than in 2000. Many record stores went out of business. Same thing will happen to wrestling on cable tv. Since there are few fewer consumers of wrestling on cable TV, inevitably there will be less wrestling on cable TV. Now, perhaps it will be consumed in different medias (like WWE Network). But in your example, the record store is like Cable TV. It is delivering the product. If the product is no longer selling, the store goes out of business or changes what it sells. For Cable TV, I don't think USA will go out of business, but I do think they will have to change what they air on their channel
 
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#81 ·
If WWE can stop the fall and remain above 2MM for the next several years they will be fine. They won’t survive on Fox, but somebody will pick them up. The point you seem to be missing is that the conversation is not about where they are in the rankings, it’s the drastic YoY drop that if they don’t stop or severely curb they will not be on television anymore. There are other factors working against them like demos, ad rates, and just the stigma of pro wrestling in general. They need to be solidly in the top 10 in order for networks to want them. The only things they bring are they are live (usually) and they add to the raw viewership figures which keeps USA relevant. It’s a balancing act. Networks can hold their nose and put pro wrestling on their schedule if they are bringing in 2MM to 3MM viewers per hour. As they get closer to 1MM the stench starts to become too much. WWE knows this and Fox and NBCU know this and that’s why there is a scramble to throw things at the wall and see what sticks.

Man, going down after last week’s effort and a go home show. Plus the people that tuned in can’t have liked what they saw. They better make ER a newsworthy show.
 
#80 ·
WWE RAW Viewership Down Going Into Extreme Rules
Monday's WWE RAW episode, the final red brand show before Extreme Rules, drew an average of 2.352 million viewers, according to Showbuzz Daily. This is down 6% from last week's 2.496 million viewers.

This week's RAW featured a double main event advertised ahead of time - Andrade and Zelina Vega vs. RAW Women's Champion Becky Lynch and WWE Universal Champion Seth Rollins, which was the opener, plus the closing match - Shane McMahon and Drew McIntyre vs. Roman Reigns and his mystery partner (Cedric Alexander masked as Gary The Janitor). Rey Mysterio's return was also announced.

For this week's show, the first hour drew 2.384 million viewers (last week's hour 1 - 2.468 million), the second hour drew 2.349 million viewers (last week's hour 2 - 2.676 million) and the final hour drew 2.322 million viewers (last week's hour 3 - 2.345 million).

RAW was #7 in viewership this week, behind the MLB Home Run Derby, the Derby Prelude, Hannity, Tucker Carlson Tonight, The Five, and The Ingraham Angle. RAW was #5 in the Cable Top 150 18-49 demographic this week, behind the Derby, the Derby Prelude, Love & Hip-Hop, and the MLB Celebrity Softball game.

The Bachelorette on ABC drew 6.035 million viewers on broadcast TV in the 8pm hour while The Neighborhood drew 3.490 million viewers on CBS, American Ninja Warrior drew 4.494 million viewers on NBC, Beat Shazam drew 2.351 million viewers on Fox and CW's Penn & Teller show drew 1.149 million viewers, all in the 8pm hour on broadcast TV.

Below is our 2019 RAW Viewership Tracker:

January 7 Episode: 2.324 million viewers
January 14 Episode: 2.722 million viewers
January 21 Episode: 2.462 million viewers
January 28 Episode: 2.703 million viewers (post-Royal Rumble episode)
February 4 Episode: 2.510 million viewers
February 11 Episode: 2.462 million viewers
February 18 Episode: 2.771 million viewers (post-Elimination Chamber episode)
February 25 Episode: 2.922 million viewers
March 4 Episode: 2.783 million viewers
March 11 Episode: 2.819 million viewers (post-Fastlane episode)
March 18 Episode: 2.695 million viewers
March 25 Episode: 2.589 million viewers
April 1 Episode: 2.639 million viewers
April 8 Episode: 2.923 million viewers (post-WrestleMania 35 episode)
April 15 Episode: 2.665 million viewers (Superstar Shakeup episode)
April 22 Episode: 2.374 million viewers
April 29 Episode: 2.158 million viewers
May 6 Episode: 2.244 million viewers
May 13 Episode: 2.349 million viewers (taped episode from London)
May 20 Episode: 2.521 million viewers (post-Money In the Bank episode)
May 27 Episode: 2.190 million viewers (Memorial Day episode)
June 3 Episode: 2.405 million viewers
June 10 Episode: 2.125 million viewers (post-Super ShowDown episode)
June 17 Episode: 2.235 million viewers
June 24 Episode: 2.275 (post-Stomping Grounds episode)
July 1 Episode: 2.496 million viewers
July 8 Episode: 2.352 million viewers
July 15 Episode:

2018 Total: 149.628 million viewers over 53 episodes
2018 Average: 2.823 million viewers per episode

2017 Total: 156.971 million viewers over 52 episodes
2017 Average: 3.018 million viewers per episode
Source: https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2019/07/wwe-raw-viewership-down-going-into-extreme-rules-656190/
– The rating and viewership for Raw backtracked a bit ahead of this weekend’s Extreme Rules. Monday’s episode brought in a 0.72 rating in the 18 – 49 demographic and 2.352 million viewers, down 8% and 6% from last week’s 0.79 demo rating and 2.496 million viewers. The numbers were the lowest for Raw since the June 17th episode scored a 0.71 rating and an audience of 2.235 million.

Raw came in at #5 among cable originals for the night, pushed down by direct competition in the Home Run Derby on ESPN and Celebrity Softball game that followed. The main Home Run Derby topped the night among cable originals per Showbuzz Daily with a 1.80 demo rating and 5.347 million viewers, followed by the prelude (1.02/3.429 million), Love & Hip-Hop on VH-1 (0.85/1.758 million) and the Celebrity Softball game (0.85/2.157 million). The hourly numbers were:

8 PM: 0.71 demo rating (2.384 million viewers)
9 PM: 0.73 demo rating (2.349 million viewers)
10 PM: 0.73 demo rating (2.322 million viewers)
Source: https://411mania.com/wrestling/wwe-raw-rating-down-heading-into-extreme-rules/
 
#82 ·
Damn, they just can't get that third hour up.

I still think even the most basic promotion is where WWE is lacking when it comes to Raw. Remember the Attitude Era when they announced what the main event was a week out? I'm not talking "it'll happen somewhere during the show", I mean the MAIN EVENT.

Give people at least some possible incentive to tune in.
 
#83 ·
I agree with your premise, but I think they avoid announcing main events partly because they know they will be underwhelming. I get that a lot of it is because of the late rewrites, but if you said the main event is Roman and a JAG vs Shane & Drew that’s not going to help the third hour. If you have something like Batista returning it can help. But with this roster short of the title being on the line I don’t think there is much they can do.
 
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