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Don't forget the golden rule, folks. If your favourite is the most "over" guy on the show, and the FOTC they aren't in any way responsible for the bad ratings and awful attendance. That shit is ALL Brock and Roman's fault. Maybe and are to blame as well.

Either way it isn't
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The idea that The Rock and Seth Rollins are equal in value is insane.
And yet they are, at least when it comes to pulling WWE out of the hole it's in. Because WWE is the big umbrella over everyone that gets involved with them, and WWE stops anything from working.

You're right, the idea IS insane. And that's the world we live in right now. Insane.

WWE's issues aren't solved by suggesting that the person with the big belt is the wrong guy. The issues are solved by working on the underlying problems that are company wide. Work on those and the problems will sort themselves out.

For example, and this isn't to single him out, but lets take a look at Ricochet.

Why should I be impressed by him? He can do a bunch of crazy acrobatic stuff? Like 99% of WWE's current roster? Where's the character? Where's the storytelling? Where's the narrative?

That goes for Rollins. That goes for Aleister Black. That goes for Kofi Kingston. That goes for The Usos. That goes for everyone on screen, or nearly. And for those who aren't flying around everywhere, what are they doing? Where's their character, their narrative, their storytelling?

The Rock could come back and he'd be under the same garbage that these guys are in. Another example, Brock Lesnar. He should be above all these guys in value like The Rock would be and yet he does jack shit for saving the company. If he was on every week, that wouldn't change. Taker? HHH? Same boat.

Everyone is shit while connected to WWE because WWE in itself is shit.

I get blaming Rollins for being a company dude who's kissing ass because he's at the top, but lets not act like replacing him with another talent is gonna do anything.
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WWE's issues aren't solved by suggesting that the person with the big belt is the wrong guy. The issues are solved by working on the underlying problems that are company wide. Work on those and the problems will sort themselves out.
There is no working things out with Rollins. He's bland, unlikable, a terrible promo, and nothing special in the ring. He'll always drag the company down if he's pushed as the FOTC. More so than many other performers, who while may not improve viewership, are more liable to retain viewers.

Of course, WWE has many other issues. Some of which you stated. They need to be fixed as well. But the demotion of Rollins is one of the key issues that WWE should address. They also need to find a suitable replacement.
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Meltzer was talking about how attendance falls are usually followed by big ratings drop on WOL.

If that's the case, holy shit is it going to get real ugly soon.

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Why blame Rollins? No one is helping WWE get ratings. WWE itself is the problem, Rollins and co. are just along for the ride.

The Rock could ditch Hollywood to come back full time for wrestling and it wouldn't do shit for ratings because of how WWE fucks shit up now.
LOL. Come on. Of course Rock would bump ratings. Even after the initial thrill wore off, do you really think Rock of all people is gonna let Vince run his promos for him? Give me a break. They don't even give Goldberg a script and Goldberg isn't 1 10'th of the level The Rock is at, star power or mic skills wise.

Why blame Rollins? Because he's the focus of the shows. Does he get FULL blame? No. You have to give blame to Vince, mostly, but Rollins gets blame, Corbin gets blame, Becky gets blame, Lacey gets blame, Kofi gets blame, Shane gets blame. Everybody who has a prominent role on television gets SOME portion of the blame for this. It's a group effort, and the group sucks. They need to push a new group, as well as fix their creative process. Even if they fixed their creative process, it won't do anything with this group on top because this group don't give off a big time star feel. Look at how Joe comes across, he's been jobbing for his entire run and he still feels like a star when he walks down the ramp and a guy that nobody wants to fuck with, because he's got an aura, something 98% of the roster is missing. If they gave good faith effort pushes to guys like that (not a one month program where he loses to Kofi), the ship would start to turn around.





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LOL. Come on. Of course Rock would bump ratings. Even after the initial thrill wore off, do you really think Rock of all people is gonna let Vince run his promos for him? Give me a break. They don't even give Goldberg a script and Goldberg isn't 1 10'th of the level The Rock is at, star power or mic skills wise.

Why blame Rollins? Because he's the focus of the shows. Does he get FULL blame? No. You have to give blame to Vince, mostly, but Rollins gets blame, Corbin gets blame, Becky gets blame, Lacey gets blame, Kofi gets blame, Shane gets blame. Everybody who has a prominent role on television gets SOME portion of the blame for this. It's a group effort, and the group sucks. They need to push a new group, as well as fix their creative process. Even if they fixed their creative process, it won't do anything with this group on top because this group don't give off a big time star feel. Look at how Joe comes across, he's been jobbing for his entire run and he still feels like a star when he walks down the ramp and a guy that nobody wants to fuck with, because he's got an aura, something 98% of the roster is missing. If they gave good faith effort pushes to guys like that (not a one month program where he loses to Kofi), the ship would start to turn around.
Sounds to me like the issue isn't the team but what management is doing to/with the team.

Though to be honest, social media isn't helping. At all. Case in point, Rollins.
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Meltzer was talking about how attendance falls are usually followed by big ratings drop on WOL.

If that's the case, holy shit is it going to get real ugly soon.
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Re: All Raw TV Ratings, Buys, Attendance, Draw Talk Here - THE RATINGS STUFF PART VII - NUMBERZ

In terms of what's coming (NFL and AEW), this may end up being the most entertaining and interesting ratings thread this forum has had in forever. It's going to be a ride for sure.

Also, can we stop with the blindness here? I have said that not one single individual other than Vince deserve full blame for the current decay this company finds itself in. Having said that, I have also been clear to state that some stars are better suited for top roles in the company than others. You can say it as much as you want but the Rock would stop the bleeding at a huge rate and at the very least stabilize it more so than a Seff, a Becky, or a Kofi ever could. That's just the reality of the situation. You have the wrong group of top players here. The experiment failed. It didn't work. They were great to pander to your dwindling fanbase at Wrestlemania but going forward for this long has saved anything but shown continuous record low ratings and attendance, the Network has stagnated, the PPVs aren't drawing as powerful anymore, and the star power is almost non-existent.

Trust me, Baron Corbin and Lacey Evans isn't the answer, either. They're just as bad, if not worse, than the current crop of World champions. The fact is, it's time to try something else. Get stars the crowd can really gravitate to at a consistent rate and build off of it while not cutting their legs from underneath. You had it for a while with Becky Lynch but now it's clear her "jets have been cooled".

Meltzer said it this week, and someone repeated it here, but the record low attendances this company has had this week in three back to back to back events (Stomping Grounds, RAW, Smackdown) is alarming and this could very well be where they draw under 2 million viewers. They are already at peak TNA numbers.

This is the New Generation 2.0 era, with far more money and far less star power. It cannot be denied anymore. The scary thing is, the worse may be to come.
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There is no official way to oust Vince is there? He has majority control of the shares doesn't he?
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There is no official way to oust Vince is there? He has majority control of the shares doesn't he?
I think if they can prove he is mentally unfit or something, they can. They should consider looking into that.
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