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Re: So why isn't Bray "RATINGZ" Wyatt the Universal Champion?

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Didn't they try putting the WWE Title on him a couple years ago? It flopped.

I'm sure it would flop again, because you know, it's WWE.
It didn't flop, it wasn't even given a chance. They decided when he won it it was only for a month, because Orton was given a title reign at WrestleMania so he wouldn't sue Vince for Vince ordering Lesnar to bust him open hard way which gave him a concussion. He could've taken them to court and won easily, so they gave him a WrestleMania push and Bray was a fall guy. And they deliberately made it as bad as they possibly could, like when they put maggots on the mat, and when they did a match in a haunted house, just so people wanted Bray gone from the main event and it wouldn't get him even more over, because they didn't want a groundswell.

There has never been a serious attempt to push Bray Wyatt, outside of when he was getting built up to be fed to John Cena, and that was the absolute best and stablest the WWE product has been in years.

So, the answer to the question? Because Vince is dumb. He doesn't like fat guys, he doesn't like charismatic guys, he doesn't like guys who can talk. Bray Wyatt is everything as a performer that he's against. He's never going to get a fair shake in this company. It's a miracle he's not Japanese like Asuka and is fluent in English or he'd have been fired by now, I have no doubt.

He should absolutely be beating Brock at SummerSlam. WWE doesn't know how to ride the hot hand. At all.





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But even then, Seth beat Brock at Mania and look where that got him.
It matters in the way someone beats Brock:

• Seth needed a low blow to turn the tide against Brock
• Roman needed Braun's distraction in more ways than one
• Taker won with controversy at Summerslam 2015

Even the Goldberg win was treated like a bad day at the office for Brock. For someone to truly get the rub from beating Brock they need to do it so convincingly that both Brock and Heyman are speechless in the aftermath — possibly even giving their stamp of approval after the match.

There's three options I see:

• Bray Wyatt
• Matt Riddle
• Aleister Black


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Re: So why isn't Bray "RATINGZ" Wyatt the Universal Champion?

Because he's talented? SO FUCKING talented?
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Re: All Raw TV Ratings, Buys, Attendance, Draw Talk Here - THE RATINGS STUFF PART VII - NUMBERZ

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Brock was originally supposed to be the guy that destroyed Cena and put Reigns over to pass the torch
They had 5 years to figure out how to do that, but the answer is, the promotion doesn't think any Shield members are better than Brock Lesnar and didn't understand his purpose. His purpose over the past 5 years was to put a Shield member over the top as the company's next focal point top piece ala John Cena. It didn't need to be that extent, but they needed a Cena replacement. The thing is, NO SHIELD MEMBERS HAVE GOTTEN A DEFINITIVE WIN ON LESNAR. All of them to some extent, have gotten piping hot ass beating from him. This is Brock Lesnar's 4th title run in 5 years and he's been the top title holder in the company for almost 1000 days now. He's been the top champion for more days than every member of a top piece power trio COLLECTIVELY in their whole careers.

He had one job: Job to a Shield member. WWE wouldn't do it, Brock wouldn't do it. What's the result? Now not a single one of the Shield members is a bonafide, Made Man, torch-carrying star. Look at Rollins. Rollins just had a flop run because for all the pretenses of "slaying the beast," they booked the WM match as a fuckery opener. Reigns is nowhere near as popular as he's been in the past, and along the way, Samoa Joe is in the wreckage, AJ Styles is in the wreckage, Braun Strowman looked like a BITCH by being involved with Lesnar, he didn't get anybody over except himself...and the thing is, he's not even that over! He's not really moving tickets, moving merch, getting subscribers, getting television viewers, the Brock Lesnar shit didn't really even get BROCK LESNAR over. The last 5 years were a calamity for the promotion.

Also, beefing with WWE over Brock Lesnar and Cena is why CM Punk isn't in the company anymore if you ask me. Disastrous to lose a guy of that caliber and for what? Nobody got over from it, not even Brock!

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It matters in the way someone beats Brock:

• Seth needed a low blow to turn the tide against Brock
• Roman needed Braun's distraction in more ways than one
• Taker won with controversy at Summerslam 2015

Even the Goldberg win was treated like a bad day at the office for Brock. For someone to truly get the rub from beating Brock they need to do it so convincingly that both Brock and Heyman are speechless in the aftermath — possibly even giving their stamp of approval after the match.

There's three options I see:

• Bray Wyatt
• Matt Riddle
• Aleister Black
Very true, although Brock attacked Seth before the bell, so the low blow served more as an equalizer to Brock’s attempt to gain an unfair advantage and he still went down to the curb stomp.

But yeah, mitigating factors in all three, some of which are Brock’s fault entirely.


Overall, WWE treating Brock as a sacred cow at the expense of the entire roster has been a huge problem. I’d argue, though, that it’s been so long that the feeling when it’s all said and done (if it ever will be, Brock may still be protected in the end) is going to be “Great, can we move on now?” than “That was AWESOME!”
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Re: All Raw TV Ratings, Buys, Attendance, Draw Talk Here - THE RATINGS STUFF PART VII - NUMBERZ

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Very true, although Brock attacked Seth before the bell, so the low blow served more as an equalizer to Brock’s attempt to gain an unfair advantage and he still went down to the curb stomp.

But yeah, mitigating factors in all three, some of which are Brock’s fault entirely.


Overall, WWE treating Brock as a sacred cow at the expense of the entire roster has been a huge problem. I’d argue, though, that it’s been so long that the feeling when it’s all said and done (if it ever will be, Brock may still be protected in the end) is going to be “Great, can we move on now?” than “That was AWESOME!”
I thought he might leave outright for a Cormier match but he snapped out of it. He couldn't get cleared for drug testing and Cormier would be an odds-on favorite to beat him and kill his mystique. So he's back for fat-ass paychecks to do nothing.
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Re: So why isn't Bray "RATINGZ" Wyatt the Universal Champion?

How did Bray "ratingz" wyatt do with all his Funhouse segments in hour 3?

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Re: So why isn't Bray "RATINGZ" Wyatt the Universal Champion?

Thinking about what Bray could have been will always break my heart. Dude never even had a chance and had all the potential in the world. Now the people have given up on him and pretend like he wasnt one of the brightest stars before he was ruined.
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Re: So why isn't Bray "RATINGZ" Wyatt the Universal Champion?

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Thinking about what Bray could have been will always break my heart. Dude never even had a chance and had all the potential in the world. Now the people have given up on him and pretend like he wasnt one of the brightest stars before he was ruined.
Bray/Finn as Fiend/Demon is a decent enough match, but imagine if the Fiend was the first full timer to beat Lesnar? In 15 minutes, clean as can be in the middle of the ring, 1-2-3. Book it as Bray getting the preponderance of the offense, psych people up into thinking he could be getting the megapush...then have Brock Lesnar as the UNDERNEATH GUY HEEL trying a comeback...That Bray shuts down to china-town, then hits him with the Sister Abigail for the 1-2-3. Paul Heyman is losing his mind on the outside, everybody's going crazy, Heyman doesn't really have full control of himself so he goes in the middle of the ring to console his slain giant...right into the clutches of the Fiend, another sister Abigail, 1-2-3. Heyman looking like he's DEAD! There's putting a guy over BIG TIME. And why even have Brock around if he's not gonna lay down for a full timer?

That's not going to happen, it either goes right back to Rollins or Lesnar has it until at least October. For the 5th year of Brock vs. Shield feeling like its going on its 50th.
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BROOOOOCK LESNAR isn't a draw. That's it. It's done. Finished. People said put the belt on Lesnar so a star can save the show.

Low ratings for his ANNOUNCED 1st hour appearance.

Not even a TOP 5 merchandise seller (now maybe if he turned face, it'd be different)

Losing subscribers even though he's the main eventer for all the big shows.

I'm one of the biggest Brock marks on this website but he's not a draw. It's done. Move on.

So why is he champion? Bray Wyatt, for EVERY push he's had, has coincided with a ratings bump. At least for his Smackdown run.

His 2nd hour was rated higher than Brock's. And the word of mouth and social media engagement from his debut led to even higher ratings in hour 3. He literally OUTDREW Brock.

Y'all can run in this thread and bitch and moan the usual

Bray wyatT iS FAt hE alwaYs loSes I dON'T LiKE His pANTs

But the FACT is that fans are more excited for Bray right now and more likely to tune in with him as champ. Likewise Drake Maverick and R-Truth have earned PUSHES too

There needs to be a paradigm shift. This Brock vs SHIELD shit ain't it chief and after allllllll the people celebrating Brock's win like he was gonna save the company, it's clearer than ever that he's stale and that nobody gives a SHIT

Put the belt on Bray Wyatt IMMEDIATELY. Summerslam. 1-2-3 finished
From the tone of your post I assume you like Bray Wyatt, yes? Why then would you want him representing this dying brand as one of it's major stars rather letting him be the hidden gem, never capitalised on, that can have a truly great career once his WWE contract is up and he can wrestle for a living.

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