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Re: All Raw TV Ratings, Buys, Attendance, Draw Talk Here - THE RATINGS STUFF PART VII - NUMBERZ

Brock IS a big star. That isn't the problem. The guy has name recognition and has more than earned his spot in WWE.

The problem with Brock is that his novelty has worn off and this is now the 3rd? 4th? time they've done the thing where he wins the title and dominates everyone, and it's been half a decade of this crap. Even when he loses, they find a way to get the belt back on him.

Hogan was and always will be a big star, but there was a period in late 90's WCW when it was clearly not enough because he'd been on top for too long and they didn't successfully transition to the other WCW stars that needed to be on top after he built the foundation.

Brock was originally supposed to be the guy that destroyed Cena and put Reigns over to pass the torch, and we've long since passed that purpose he once served. And he's beaten everyone. And he's been beaten. And he's beaten the guys who've beaten him back. Brock is one giant dead end for WWE at this point.

If Heyman is actually going to do something positive for WWE, he had better have singled out that guy who's going to beat Brock and he'd better be implementing that plan to promote that match and use Brock to create a star, because that's Brock's only use now. But even then, Seth beat Brock at Mania and look where that got him.
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post #152 of 620 (permalink) Old 07-18-2019, 11:14 AM
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A show that builds audience from the start is unquestionably part of a winning recipe. The other big part is making that starting hour better and better as you go. And sure thatís the hard part. But, you canít have every Raw be the night after a PPV and you canít have every Raw follow a title change. Monday was a gimme for them. The trick is to do it on the nights not following a PPV and / or a title change and thatís where they will fail.

At this point Brock should be an attraction, not a regular or even a semi regular. People complain that heís not around enough when the truth is heís around too much. But heís all they have so they will go back to that well over and over as long as the networks are breathing down their necks.
There is no winning recipe here, and this rating this past week proved that. It flopped just like everything and everyone else has for years now in WWE.

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There is no winning recipe here, and this rating this past week proved that. It flopped just like everything and everyone else has for years now in WWE.
WWE showed they could go in the right direction early last year and actually increase viewership YoY. Which was great timing because it played a big role in wwe getting those big contracts. But they could only sustain it for a matter of months. So apparently there is a recipe that can work for them. They just have the wrong ingredients and wrong chef right now.

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Brock IS a big star. That isn't the problem. The guy has name recognition and has more than earned his spot in WWE.

The problem with Brock is that his novelty has worn off and this is now the 3rd? 4th? time they've done the thing where he wins the title and dominates everyone, and it's been half a decade of this crap. Even when he loses, they find a way to get the belt back on him.

Hogan was and always will be a big star, but there was a period in late 90's WCW when it was clearly not enough because he'd been on top for too long and they didn't successfully transition to the other WCW stars that needed to be on top after he built the foundation.

Brock was originally supposed to be the guy that destroyed Cena and put Reigns over to pass the torch, and we've long since passed that purpose he once served. And he's beaten everyone. And he's been beaten. And he's beaten the guys who've beaten him back. Brock is one giant dead end for WWE at this point.

If Heyman is actually going to do something positive for WWE, he had better have singled out that guy who's going to beat Brock and he'd better be implementing that plan to promote that match and use Brock to create a star, because that's Brock's only use now. But even then, Seth beat Brock at Mania and look where that got him.
Youíre right. There is no story to tell with Brock at this point. I still say they should have had him destroy Kofi and try to bring back prestige to that belt instead of unseating Seth.

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WWE showed they could go in the right direction early last year and actually increase viewership YoY. Which was great timing because it played a big role in wwe getting those big contracts. But they could only sustain it for a matter of months. So apparently there is a recipe that can work for them. They just have the wrong ingredients and wrong chef right now.



Youíre right. There is no story to tell with Brock at this point. I still say they should have had him destroy Kofi and try to bring back prestige to that belt instead of unseating Seth.
They need to improve year on year for an entire year, not just a couple of months out of the year. They don't have anyone on the roster or anyone running things that is going to achieve that anytime soon.

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So why isn't Bray "RATINGZ" Wyatt the Universal Champion?

BROOOOOCK LESNAR isn't a draw. That's it. It's done. Finished. People said put the belt on Lesnar so a star can save the show.

Low ratings for his ANNOUNCED 1st hour appearance.

Not even a TOP 5 merchandise seller (now maybe if he turned face, it'd be different)

Losing subscribers even though he's the main eventer for all the big shows.

I'm one of the biggest Brock marks on this website but he's not a draw. It's done. Move on.

So why is he champion? Bray Wyatt, for EVERY push he's had, has coincided with a ratings bump. At least for his Smackdown run.

His 2nd hour was rated higher than Brock's. And the word of mouth and social media engagement from his debut led to even higher ratings in hour 3. He literally OUTDREW Brock.

Y'all can run in this thread and bitch and moan the usual

Bray wyatT iS FAt hE alwaYs loSes I dON'T LiKE His pANTs

But the FACT is that fans are more excited for Bray right now and more likely to tune in with him as champ. Likewise Drake Maverick and R-Truth have earned PUSHES too

There needs to be a paradigm shift. This Brock vs SHIELD shit ain't it chief and after allllllll the people celebrating Brock's win like he was gonna save the company, it's clearer than ever that he's stale and that nobody gives a SHIT

Put the belt on Bray Wyatt IMMEDIATELY. Summerslam. 1-2-3 finished

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Re: So why isn't Bray "RATINGZ" Wyatt the Universal Champion?

Hey!! the ratings nick name only belongs to Mark Henry.

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Because Vince doesn’t like fat guys.

Wyatt doesn’t even get the 50:50 treatment. He’s lost like 70% of his matches in WWE.


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BROOOOOCK LESNAR isn't a draw. That's it. It's done. Finished. People said put the belt on Lesnar so a star can save the show.

Low ratings for his ANNOUNCED 1st hour appearance.

Not even a TOP 5 merchandise seller (now maybe if he turned face, it'd be different)

Losing subscribers even though he's the main eventer for all the big shows.

I'm one of the biggest Brock marks on this website but he's not a draw. It's done. Move on.

So why is he champion? Bray Wyatt, for EVERY push he's had, has coincided with a ratings bump. At least for his Smackdown run.

His 2nd hour was rated higher than Brock's. And the word of mouth and social media engagement from his debut led to even higher ratings in hour 3. He literally OUTDREW Brock.

Y'all can run in this thread and bitch and moan the usual

Bray wyatT iS FAt hE alwaYs loSes I dON'T LiKE His pANTs

But the FACT is that fans are more excited for Bray right now and more likely to tune in with him as champ. Likewise Drake Maverick and R-Truth have earned PUSHES too

There needs to be a paradigm shift. This Brock vs SHIELD shit ain't it chief and after allllllll the people celebrating Brock's win like he was gonna save the company, it's clearer than ever that he's stale and that nobody gives a SHIT

Put the belt on Bray Wyatt IMMEDIATELY. Summerslam. 1-2-3 finished
I didnít really see anyone saying put the belt on Brock. There was a ton of people saying Seth & Kofi were failures but the direction to go in from there ranged from Corbin, to Joe, to Bray, to Braun, etcetera. Brock was pretty much seen as having more value getting away from Seth.

With that said, I think Bray going straight to a feud with Seth for the belt would have made a lot more sense than going back to Brock. Put Brock on SD and have him win the WWE Title and feud with New Day or something.
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Re: So why isn't Bray "RATINGZ" Wyatt the Universal Champion?

What ratings has Bray Wyatt brought in?
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Re: So why isn't Bray "RATINGZ" Wyatt the Universal Champion?

Didn't they try putting the WWE Title on him a couple years ago? It flopped.

I'm sure it would flop again, because you know, it's WWE.

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