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Re: All Raw TV Ratings, Buys, Attendance, Draw Talk Here - THE RATINGS STUFF PART VII - NUMBERZ

As I predicted, the Heyman bump from last week was out of sheer intrigue. This week, it was back to the same garbage RAW has been in for most of the year. People will say Vince took the book back, and you can smell some of his stench from Monday, but if Heyman is already or has already taken charge since a couple months ago, he deserves some of the blame too. It was reported that the Maria/Mike angle, the Ricochet push, and the advancement of Seff/Becky is his doing and if that is the case, then he's just as out of touch as Vince is.

Heyman may very well be as a creative mind.

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Thanks for your input man, you gave me a clearer understanding 👍
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Damn Randy u nailed it, I totally forgot that the networks pay wwe far more than they would pay other shows. Great points.
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Damn Randy u nailed it, I totally forgot that the networks pay wwe far more than they would pay other shows. Great points.
Does USA pay something like 300 million a year on their contract with WWE? Even though its 3 hours of live programming, that's still nearly 2 million and hour and it runs every Monday, too. I wonder what they pay per hour for their other shows? I can't imagine its close to 2 million an hour.
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What a shocker, the show was trash and nobody wants to watch two morons (Becky and Seth.)
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2.4 for raw lolololol pls go under 2.0 soon
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Historically, MNF leads to a double digit viewer drop.

Here was last year's pre-MNF RAW against the MNF next week...


Hour 1: 2.945 million viewers, .95 rating in 18-49 demographic
Hour 2: 2.933 million viewers, 1.00 rating in 18-49 demographic
Hour 3: 2.740 million viewers, .97 rating in 18-49 demographic


Hour 1: 2.818 million viewers, .88 rating in 18-49 demographic
Hour 2: 2.801 million viewers, .91 rating in 18-49 demographic
Hour 3: 2.601 million viewers, .89 rating in 18-49 demographic

I think its pretty reasonable to expect at least another 100,000 viewers to leave when college football, MNF and playoff baseball happen this September and October.
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Does USA pay something like 300 million a year on their contract with WWE? Even though its 3 hours of live programming, that's still nearly 2 million and hour and it runs every Monday, too. I wonder what they pay per hour for their other shows? I can't imagine its close to 2 million an hour.
they will be paying $5 million per show come this fall, they pay like 1.5 million now if you divide equally between RAW and SDL. So about $1.6 million per hour which is pretty cheap actually for a series that is top 5 of the ratings all year long and is also live. These are 2017 numbers, so they would be higher now but gives an idea on why the networks were willing to pay them this much, especially FOX which sold off its studios, which would make original programming much more expensive for them then it used to be:
"The estimates on the cost of content that emerged from these interviews peg the typical range of the production budget for high-end cable and streaming dramas at $5 million-$7 million an hour, while single-camera half hours on broadcast and cable run from $1.5 million to more than $3 million."
So USA will be paying WWE for RAW what it would cost just to make one 1 hour drama series, and FOX would be paying around $4 million for 2 hours of live TV when they would pay close to that for just one half hour show. So WWE is actually a bargain when you consider its live, and they run all year long.
Everyone saying they won't get a new contract is smoking something strong, they will get something, maybe not as much as the new contracts that kick in later this fall if ratings don't bounce back, but they wont get anything lower than what they get now.
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Quick question why do u guys use past ratings to judge current ratings? Since we all agree that cable tv today is not the same as it was 5 or 10 years ago due to live streams, Hulu, etc why can’t we use current tv shows as a metric. While I understand that ratings are not what it was, the fact that raw and smackdown live are the top rated shows on tv tells me that they are doing just fine in today’s ratings climate.
the issue with the drops is that it is falling faster than the other shows, and out of sync with what you would expect from cord cutters. The demo used to be around 1.0 when the contracts were negotiated and now they regularly do .6-.8, even falling to .5 at times. That's not good for the networks since even though the demo is the most important part of ad rates, another factor is the income of the viewers and wrestling fans are perceived as being lower income and so the networks don't get as much as other sports and shows. So its not ok for them to be just as good as other shows on cable, they need to do better as they used to do before the big drops that started last year. As I posted above in another post, they still bring in good ratings all year long and cost less per hour than what the networks could put on that may; but more likely would not; do better ratings so they will be fine for now. the biggest plus is they are all year long and get somewhat consistent numbers for the year, which helps USA for instance say they are number one network in cable, which is big from a branding standpoint and worth a lot in and of itself.

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Historically, MNF leads to a double digit viewer drop.

Here was last year's pre-MNF RAW against the MNF next week...


Hour 1: 2.945 million viewers, .95 rating in 18-49 demographic
Hour 2: 2.933 million viewers, 1.00 rating in 18-49 demographic
Hour 3: 2.740 million viewers, .97 rating in 18-49 demographic


Hour 1: 2.818 million viewers, .88 rating in 18-49 demographic
Hour 2: 2.801 million viewers, .91 rating in 18-49 demographic
Hour 3: 2.601 million viewers, .89 rating in 18-49 demographic

I think its pretty reasonable to expect at least another 100,000 viewers to leave when college football, MNF and playoff baseball happen this September and October.
Very reasonable to expect sub 2 million by MNF.
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