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What are some of the biggest pieces of revisionist history in WWE?

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troyag93 said:
No there wasn’t a Reign of Terror. He had the Title for one year in 2003 and he wasn’t even the Main Event. Vince and Stone Cold were still Main Eventing Raws.
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Well, again, not revisionist history :D it was cooked up by the poor people who had to live through it week to week at the time it was going on.

I know it looks minor now looking back on it compared to the Cena era and the Reigns era, but to say there was nothing wrong with it is ACTUALLY revisionist history.

It wasn't just that he had the title, it was the quality of the product they were producing (or stunning lack thereof), and the fact that it tanked their promotion from out of the hottest period it ever had.
 
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Roman is the goat. That's biggest piece of revisionist history they've done

They've done everything imaginable to brainwash people and make them believe Roman is the goat, nobody on the roster got even a quarter of a fraction of Roman's push, they gave him the title for four years, they put him in a stable with talented guys to hide Roman's lack of talent and lack of charisma, when he's on screen the announcers say he's the goat every 5 seconds, in the intro they put him next to Stone Cold so people believe he's in the same level as him.
 
#23 ·
Triple HGH was the biggest heel during the AE (it was Vince McMahon).
Triple HGH was as big of a star as Rock and Austin ( he wasn't).
Stephanie McMahon created the John Cena white rapper gimmick (she didn't).
WWF/E bought WCW (they just bought the WCW's assets like rings, tape library, some wrestler contracts, PPV names, etc).
Vince McMahon went to every single wrestling promoter to buy them out ( he didn't, a lot of his tactics were underhanded).
DX and SHIELD were bigger factions than nWo (nWo brought about a wrestling boom while both DX and SHIELD didn't start jack).
Roman Reigns is bigger than Austin/Rock/Hogan (he is a few universes below them).
 
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thorwold said:
Well, again, not revisionist history :D it was cooked up by the poor people who had to live through it week to week at the time it was going on.

I know it looks minor now looking back on it compared to the Cena era and the Reigns era, but to say there was nothing wrong with it is ACTUALLY revisionist history.

It wasn't just that he had the title, it was the quality of the product they were producing (or stunning lack thereof), and the fact that it tanked their promotion from out of the hottest period it ever had.
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Agree

It's called the reign of terror becuase it was abysmal (And I like HHH)
  • Crap matches
  • Crap booking (Especially Booker)
  • Stupid stories (Posedown with Steiner)
  • Boring promos

Raw in 2003-2004 was hard to watch, SD on the other hands was incredible.
 
#26 ·
LA Morning said:
John Cena’s career. Michael Cole still calls him the GOAT. How embarrassing.
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In terms of hard work and being the ultimate company guy no question Cena is probably never going to matched.

Cenas involvement helped open avenues to WWE not previously available too like record TV deals, sponsorships which in turn lead to record high share price etc
Seafort said:
Indeed. The greatest of all time remains Hogan. Without Hogan, there may not be a Golden Era that propels the WWF. Without Cena, WWE chugs along with any number of other people.
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Without Hogan WWE is still going national. Going national and then international was Vince’s idea not Hogans. Would it have been as successful, maybe, maybe not we will never know of course.

Cena is still extremely important in WWE history. WWE were struggling big time in late 2004 before his mainevent push (unlike in late 1983 before Hogans where business across the US was booming). By late 2004 Vince was completely out of ideas on how to stop business going lower.

I am truly of the belief if WWE kept on same path as 2001-04 that by 2009 and rise of UFC (it's forgotten now but everyone at time said UFC getting popular was end for WWE), Benoit tragedy putting so much national negativity on company and global economic downturn meaning spending on discretionary items like WWE was put aside would have been death nail for company without guy like Cena. Even without those 3 major things happening WWE had seen business fall by as much as 75% in some segments such as live tickets sales between 2000 and 2004.

While Cena isn't as important as Austin to WWE in the overall scheme of things he still is key figure from where they were in late 2004 to where they are today 20 years later.
 
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The announcers literally calling Cena "The Greatest of All Time" on his entrance. Cant get more blatant than that
 
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#29 ·
Darker said:
Roman is the goat. That's biggest piece of revisionist history they've done

They've done everything imaginable to brainwash people and make them believe Roman is the goat, nobody on the roster got even a quarter of a fraction of Roman's push, they gave him the title for four years, they put him in a stable with talented guys to hide Roman's lack of talent and lack of charisma, when he's on screen the announcers say he's the goat every 5 seconds, in the intro they put him next to Stone Cold so people believe he's in the same level as him.
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Pretty much. They have people believing he/Bloodline started increasing interest in 2020, even though numbers through 2021 and most of 2022 speak otherwise - and that he's responsible for the attendance increases recently even though he doesn't appear on the majority of overall shows. It's pretty crazy, but to WWE's credit the propaganda seems to have worked.
 
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Austin/Rock was one of the biggest rivalries of all time.

It wasn’t. In fact, they barely even had a rivalry. They had a few matches at Wrestlemania which were results of circumstance (Austin winning certain matches for the right to be number one contender) but really apart from the buildup to WM X7 they barely interacted with each other. Austin’s biggest beef was with Vince and Rock had his numerous feuds with Triple H/Foley.
 
#32 ·
I've come to realize that if WWE says anything other than

"Hogan, Austin and Rock are the GOATs and nobody else ever mattered or drew any money and our product has been crap for 80% of our existence! All we ever do is shove people down your throats!

We're sorry if we ever say anything was ever good or noteworthy in WWE history other than the GOAT3 and the Golden and Attitude Eras! We might as well go bankrupt because everything we do will be literal dogshit compared to your childhood nostalgia!"

is revisionist history to people, especially Attitude Era marks. It's insufferable.
 
#33 ·
Showstopper said:
It's absolutely one of the top reasons.
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Except by any metric you like its not. DX's segments actually lost viewers during the 3 "invading WCW" skits. The last especially was outdrawn but Kaientai !!! The DX ppv was the lowest buy rate for PPV's that year. They shifted Merch but were WAYYYY off Stone Cold/NWO and even Mankind.
 
#34 ·
Chasingamymatt said:
Except by any metric you like its not. DX's segments actually lost viewers during the 3 "invading WCW" skits. The last especially was outdrawn but Kaientai !!! The DX ppv was the lowest buy rate for PPV's that year. They shifted Merch but were WAYYYY off Stone Cold/NWO and even Mankind.
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Except in late '97 when it first formed and early '98 it was on fire. I just watched the build to WM 14, and there were several times where DX came out to pops, despite being heels feuding with Austin. They also had some of the highest rated segments of the show in that run (August 1997-March 1998). I don't care about DX post WM 14, but before WM 14 they were hot.
 
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Showstopper said:
Except in late '97 when it first formed and early '98 it was on fire. I just watched the build to WM 14, and there were several times where DX came out to pops, despite being heels feuding with Austin. They also had some of the highest rated segments of the show in that run 9August 1997-March 1998). I don't care about DX post WM 14, but before WM 14 they were hot.
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Shawn got pops, HHH and Chyna could have been in catering and heel shawn would of got heat, He was gold! I give you that completely. Pr1ck heel shawn in late '97 up to mania is amazing. But he would of been anyway. HHH & Chyna were just there.
 
#36 ·
Chasingamymatt said:
Shawn got pops, HHH and Chyna could have been in catering and heel shawn would of got heat, He was gold! I give you that completely. Pr1ck heel shawn in late '97 up to mania is amazing. But he would of been anyway. HHH & Chyna were just there.
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Oh yeah, Shawn was definitely the best part of the group in that time period, no doubt. I think HHH and Chyna played their roles fine as "back-up", though. And the group did better than I thought it would after Shawn left. Don't get me wrong, after Shawn left, it went from being a main-event heel group (due to Shawn) to being a mid-card babyface group after Shawn left after WM 14. But they did get themselves quite over as faces.
 
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Showstopper said:
Oh yeah, Shawn was definitely the best part of the group in that time period, no doubt. I think HHH and Chyna played their roles fine as "back-up", though. And the group did better than I thought it would after Shawn left. Don't get me wrong, after Shawn left, it went from being a main-event heel group (due to Shawn) to being a mid-card babyface group after Shawn left after WM 14. But they did get themselves quite over as faces.
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I'm probably just bias as always hated DX. Especially HHH matches at this time. Chyna interfers, every time, no one thinks to get rid of her. Rinse and repeat for every HHH Match in 97-mid 98. But Shawn was out of this world in the role.
 
#38 ·
This may not be big but Trish was a bigger star than Lita. Lita got the big chants, was over with the crowds as a babyface or a heel and she was so over that she main event Raw with Stephanie in 2000. i get that management chose Trish and she was far better in the ring and mic but the crowds and fans chose Lita and she has loads of charisma. Whenever she returns she gets loud chants.

But its changing now since more women have cited Lita as their big influence and lately both Trish and Lita are on equal standing. Although that might change soon under the HHH era when he pushes his favorites to be the GOATS like Rhea, Bianca and Becky.
 
#39 ·
JBLGOAT said:
Vince being an amazing filter for Vince Russo. He didn’t filter brawl for all or Owen Harts death.
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Owen didn't die because Russo wanted him to do that stunt. It had been done many times safely in wrestling.

Owen died because of how negligently that stunt was handled, which Russo had no part of.

That has nothing to do with Vince McMahon being a filter.
 
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Seafort said:
Indeed. The greatest of all time remains Hogan. Without Hogan, there may not be a Golden Era that propels the WWF. Without Cena, WWE chugs along with any number of other people.
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I like Cena, Reigns, and HHH in spite of their flaws that some fans have rightly put upon them. I totally agree it is not genuine of WWE or fans who actually lived through the history to not see Hogan as the greatest.

He is the only star who legitimately put fear into Vince Mcmahon and WWE because he MADE Vince Mcmahon and WWE. This is not even debatable. The WWF also saw its biggest rise and collapse with and without Hogan from 84-89 and then 90-93 once his prime was over. The WWF didn't recover until they got Steve Austin in 1998 in terms of getting back to the high return on investment of pushing its biggest star.

Before Cena, Rock, Austin, Reigns, and Lesnar, the WWF only got mainstream press at the level it did due to Hogan already being mega over from Rocky 3 and AWA. The irony is Hogan was getting over in Vince Sr.'s WWE and caught the eye of Sylvester Stallone. He made a business move that changed wrestling forever by not listening to Vince Sr and going for the Hollywood spot in the early 80s. This was long before Vince even thought of doing the moves he did in 1984 to go national.

Vince was going national anyways, but no doubt Hogan was already national when Vince went with that plan.


Everybody after Hulk Hogan benefited from Hogan and the WWF machine which includes Austin, Rock, Cena, Batista, Lesnar, and Reigns.

Even when wrestling had its downturn in the 90s, Hogan would still garner mainstream press when he went to WCW in 1994. He would hype his dream 80s match with Ric Flair in 1994 when the WWF was struggling with its "New Generation." This with Vince having a campaign against Hogan and this before the smear campaign of Billionaire Ted.


Austin and Rock wouldn't get on Jay Leno until 1999 and 2000 after being in their prime popularity and wrestling being red hot again.

With John Cena, the company was already a monopoly and swallowed up the competition. Any champ or FOTC post 2001 can never say they had to go up against competition like Rock, Austin, and Hogan did in helping the WWE takeover from NWA, AWA, ECW, and WCW no matter how you slice the financial success they garner post 2001.
 
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