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Big Show was played-out. He didn't win the title until 2011 again. They buried Booker T for awhile. Chris Jericho and Kane were on RAW getting buried. UnderTaker was mostly a face. They had to have a new top heel until they could coronate their new top face.
 
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I don't know where this notion that they "had" to push Bradshaw into the main event comes from.

Even after Goldberg and Brock both exited WWE, the company still had the following names who had all been a former world champion and could've been pushed as such again if management needed them to:

Big Show
Booker T
Chris Jericho
Kane
The Undertaker

Furthermore they had the likes of Randy Orton (who got the World title on Raw), John Cena, Rob Van Dam and Edge on the rise, all of whom could've won the world title before Bradshaw could've.
The run that led to him becoming the longest-reigning WWE Champion on SmackDown:

"It just happened that I was in the right place at the right time. It was late in my career, and I thought my career was over. I tore my biceps and had two hernia surgeries. I didn't know if I would do much of anything again, and all of a sudden you have people get hurt."

"Kurt Angle got hurt, Brock Lesnar had left the company, and [WWE] needed somebody against Eddie Guerrero right away. That's when the JBL character was created."

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Brock Lesnar. He was THE face of the company and his departure forced Vince to search for a new young star to lead his company.

He first tried pushing Orton, then Batista, but his biggest attraction would be the one he neglected, Cena. WWE got lucky they had Cena around because they were in real trouble had they fired him earlier. Cena was able to break through to the mainstream crowd, though he was never as popular as Austin or Rock.

Brock leaving made the news in a time before social media. Then he became a bigger sensation outside of wrestling. People were always curious to know how athletic he was in different field. He is a genetic freak of a person, there is not many people who look like him.
 
I don't know where this notion that they "had" to push Bradshaw into the main event comes from.

Even after Goldberg and Brock both exited WWE, the company still had the following names who had all been a former world champion and could've been pushed as such again if management needed them to:

Big Show
Booker T
Chris Jericho
Kane
The Undertaker

Furthermore they had the likes of Randy Orton (who got the World title on Raw), John Cena, Rob Van Dam and Edge on the rise, all of whom could've won the world title before Bradshaw could've.
There was a hard brand split at the time. 95% of the names you mentioned were on RAW.
 
Punk.

They had bigger names around the time of Brock and guys that were pretty much just about to be "ready" for that position.

Brock is clearly the bigger of the 2, but Punk's just due to timing and the state of the company around that time.

I think anyway. Its early.
 
This isn’t even close, and it’s Brock Lesnar.

He was going to be the face of WWE for years to come. Him leaving changed everything that was to come for years to come.

Punk, who was never going to be the face of WWE, changed plans for a couple of months; a relatively easy pivot.

Not that I’m downplaying Punk or his following/fandom, the truth is that he was not, nor would ever become “the guy”, whereas with Brock, he was very much going to be ”the guy”.
 
He was not bigger, more over/more loved is the correct term. Brock crossed over as a star, his first UFC PPV bout drew 650K, in contrast to Punk's 450K. Keep in mind that was Brock's second lowest number in the UFC, while it was Punk's highest, taking in the fact that Brock was the sole main event of that event while Punk had Stippe/Overreem and Werdum/Browne as the two main events preceding him.
I didn't look up UFC numbers but UFC was far far hotter in 2007-09 than 2015-16 so weak comparison. Brock was pushed to moon in UFC from off whereas Punk was viewed as a joke by likes of Rogan too.

The question wasn't who became biggest star either question was which was biggest departure at the time, what happened 4-5 years later isn't really relevant imo.

Fact is Punk in 2011-14 was bigger star in WWE than Brock was in 2002-04. Brock was pushed by WWE sure but didn't draw at all at the time. He was mainevent of the lowest drawing Wrestlemania since 97 and nothing after WM19 drew as poorly


Brock's following PPVs drew consistently 1 million PPV buys while Punk's second and last drew an abysmal 250K.
Again with UFC lol. Look if you want
to debate who became biggest star post 5 years WWE that's Brock easy but WWE didn't make or lose money off it...

Also worth a mention, taped Smackdown in 2003 with Brock as champion drew as much ratings - if not more - than live Raws in 2011-2012 with Punk as champion
No shit FAR MORE people watched TV back in early 2000s than 2010s. Look at every other show, Survivor was doing 50 million viewers in early 2000s and less than 10 by 2010s, hell nothing on TV is doing numbers that they doing in 2000s, BBT finale at 18 million is most watched non NFL thing on TV past 5-6 years.

Lets compare attendance, revenue, merch sales in 2011-13 to 2003-04 shall we. Brock on top on SD drew fucking horrible attendance, often sub 1000 for houseshows, Punk houseshows were doing 5-6 times Brocks numbers on 2012-13...

People followed Brock in his ventures outside of wrestling, he had more name recognition with the casual audience that tune into wrestling every once in a while. Punk didn't have that reach, he had a cult following that adored and believed in him unlike Brock, but was never the star Brock was.
OK bit of a myth here. Not like people clamoured to watch Brock play NFL or his first venture into MMA, did anyone watch Brocks match vs Min So Kim...

Brock joined UFC in the middle of a boom bigger than the Attitude Era. He was unique in that first WWE guy most people ever saw UFC and was pushed right to top. Immediately getting world title in third match. Had Brock joined UFC a decade later when business was much lower and had to work prelim matches there isn't the same interest

But again we aren't talking what happened years later.

Brock, he was a way bigger star at the time, coming off a WWE title run, CM Punk after losing to the Undertaker at WM29 just drifted slowly down the card before he walked out.
No. After Taker he was in arguably biggest promoted match at Summerslam with Brock that got like 3 month build. After Brock he feuded with Wyatt and the hottest faction of the past 20 years in the Shield beating them 3 on 1. The same Shield who dominated Evolution 3-0 just a few months later...
 
Fact is Punk in 2011-14 was bigger star in WWE than Brock was in 2002-04. Brock was pushed by WWE sure but didn't draw at all at the time. He was mainevent of the lowest drawing Wrestlemania since 97 and nothing after WM19 drew as poorly
Punk wasn’t even a bigger name than Randy Orton in that time

From 2002-2004, TV ratings spiked when Brock had the title, and Brock’s name and image was front and center at a time when wrestling had more recognition and viewership than in Punk’s time
 
I'll go with CM Punk because when Brock Lesnar left, he left on a sour note by having that god-awful match with Goldberg at Wrestlemania 20, and fans were pissed off with him for a time. Punk's walkout felt bigger because he was over with the fans and some people probably thought he was justified after hearing the Cobana podcast so he kind've became a martyr I think.
 
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