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I understand most of you believe Paul Heyman is a genius because that's what you've read about him every week for the past 20 years by his friends in their newsletters. However, while I greatly admire his exceptional talking and acting abilities as an on-screen character, I'd like to ask the question: Is Paul Heyman a bit of a fraud, particularly when it comes to creative?

ECW's strengths were due to his ability to motivate cheap talent to perform insane, hardcore stunts on a regular basis without any guarantee of being paid the following week. Bluntly, he kind of took advantage of some angry, broke young adults who needed money, and worked them. Many required painkillers off the black market to function. Promises went unfulfilled. ECW required Vince to secretly finance them despite Paul utilising the financial advantages of broke young adults, illegal drugs, and crazy low pay to make the show possible.

Think about it - isn't this the hallmark of a fraud?

Move forward 15 years and the guy begins delivering an incredible Brock Lesnar promo, which he continues doing for 5 years. And now he's in charge of Raw.

Meltzer/Keller etc have been praising him as genius for 20 years, while McMahon is a lunatic with Alzheimer's scrambling to change everything at the last minute. Keller has admitted he's been on the phone to Paul every week.

And yet, every week there's a new story portraying Paul as a genius. Apparently, anything bad that happened on Raw was due to McMahon getting in the way. Oh, and Paul is a genius.

But has Raw ever been worse?

To what extent is Paul's reputation a result of him actively working the wrestling media? Considering the scam-like nature of ECW, and Raw's worst average ratings ever, is it time for fans to push back against the wrestling media's portrayal of Paul Heyman as a genius?
 
I always disliked how many times it has been said that many wrestlers should have him as manager to achieve great success LOL. And I never use lols...

In fact I was opposed first to put him as Brock's manager when he returned some years ago... It should have been someone like Layla, Kaitlin or Aksana.
After all he really didn't need no one as manager after his MMA run, uh? Paul Heyman should keep being fucking Big Show manager like before and that's all. :ROFLMAO:
But I guess it pays being close friends of a star like Lesnar.
 
Not sure about fraud but he calling him a genius always seemed a little OTT. You should probably also mention his time as Smackdown head writer 2002-04. He is credited with the Smackdown Six and a product that was superior to RAW at the time. That has added to the genius reputation.
 
His current work definitely isn't very good. The exact same Brock promo for about 7 years. And Raw does seem worse than ever, its still the same tiny group of dullards on top with the added shittness of angles like the Mike Kanellis cuck angle and "look at what a slut Lana is story #21456".
 
It's weird this guy was responsible of one of the best feud evers on Dreamer vs Raven, unless hes just being neutered a lot by Vince... yes I was wrong about him.

Maybe his way to manage ECW was him being forced by 90's edgy era and what are we watching now on RAW it's his real vision of a good wrestling show.
 
He's not a fraud he's just overhyped. Because ECW wasn't the machine that WWE and WCW was Heyman gets treated like the underdog despite having many negative qualities just like McMahon, Bischoff, and Russo have.

Think about all the bodies and junkies attached to ECW. Think about all the money the talents were owed and didn't get. Hell think about the fact a story about Dreamer wanted to kill Heyman then himself at Mania 17.
 
do I think he's a fraud? No, I don't think he is one because you gotta look at the landscape of the !and. If he did some of the stuff he did in ECW now and let it really push the envelope, (he would be mudered by the sjw's and pc people.) I mean look at Lana/Lashley/Rusev storyline it's getting a lot of backlash. Some people like it and some people hate it granted and Vince is probably rewriting some of it.
 
I don't think he's a 'fraud', but going so far as to call him a genius is a bit much.

Sure, he screwed a lot of guys over in ECW, but angles and storylines happened neither because nor in spite of that. Would he have been any more creative if he paid them? While it's a bit of a stretch to imagine, knowing what most of the wrestlers put themselves through.... Were any of them holding back? Would they have worked harder/riskier if they were paid? I don't think so.

He has/had a great mind for the business - just look at how things were when he was booking Smackdown in what, '03?

Now, a long time has passed between then and now - so I don't think he's quite as in touch with what the audience wants in 2019-2020.

Having Vince in his ear won't be helping at all though. ECW was 100% his call, Smackdown in '03 he was given pretty much free reign. Not a chance does he have the same level of autonomy these days.
 
Was there creative in ECW? Literally none of their PPV's made sense. It would just be random music,wrestlers come out to fight with no build up or explanation, RVD fights Jerry Lynn for the 6,231 time and New Jack randomly bringing out his Hoover.
Raven/Dreamer and everything that went along with it, Cyrus/The Network, Taz/Sabu, Dreamer blinding Sandman, Mikey Whipwreck's entire underdog storyline.

While yes, there was a lot of pointless throwaway fights or run ins (see New Jack, or 911), there were solid creative elements.
 
He was innovative in his time, but that time is over. And while he is capable of coming up with some good booking (When the McMahons aren't holding him back) he runs the problem of being outdated like many of the bookers he was try to be a contrast to in the ECW days
 
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