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The first person that comes to mind for me in regards to the Full Nelson is The Warlord, the way he would annihilate and throw around those jobbers with this before tossing them to the floor was awesome, it really displayed his dominance and made him look good going into the PPV's, such as with Davey Boy Smith for example.


However we don't really see this now, I can't recall when we last did see this in the WWE and where as I know many great moves have now been taken away from the WWE, I do feel this is one that's missed, I know it has been used but it's just so rare and not really a notified move any more, I could see Ryback pulling it off and even smaller wrestlers like Ziggler at times, Barrett would be another good one who could dominate this one.

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So what are your thoughts, how do you guys feel about the full nelson and what other submission moves would you like to see more of?​
 
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Yeah, Chris Masters, I forgot all about him, it was a good submission move I thought.
 
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i think the full nelson is one of the bread and butter moves in wrestling. everybody and their mama knows the full nelson even if they dont know shit about wrestling. i got put in full nelsons by people who cant even spell wrestling. same thing with the headlock. its one of those more natural maneuvers when grappling with somebody, a move that needs little teaching or practice. so i love the full nelson these are my favourite moves. thats some shit you can relate to
 
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I always liked it too.... I remember in Primary School ignoring the WWE's don't try this at home and putting it on each other! Lol It was a pretty simple move to do and pretty painful without it being really dangerous so we had lot's of fun doing it when the teachers weren't looking lol. Good times
 
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Wouldn't say I miss it but I liked it back in the day especially in The Masterlock Challenges. I do miss Full Nelson Suplexes though and any variations of a Full Nelson Suplex. I'm guessing WWE have banned them to prevent any head or neck injuries.




As for other submissions, I miss a good ole' Abdominal Stretch, Figure Four Leglock around the ring post which I just mentioned in another thread, and a Muta Lock.

 
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Funniest Masterlock

 
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I gotta be honest I'm not a big fan of the full nelson in wrestling, just because it seems like it'd be too easy to do it, kind of like the Big Shows WMD punch. I have used it in a few real life fights though and it's an amazing hold, almost impossible to break.
 
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I loved the Masterlock. He got really good at teasing it and working his matches around it in like 2010-2011 too.
 
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Interestingly, we never looked at the Full Nelson as a submission hold back in the day. I don't recall ever seeing anyone give up when placed in a full nelson which was used rather infrequently.

What I do remember is a few wrestlers like Ricki Starr and Antonino Rocca who could wiggle out of it. Instead of straining to break the hold they would put their arms straight up in the air, loosen up all their muscles, and wiggle downwards and out of the hold. Ricki Starr was especially good at this and used it as a regular manuever to enrage his opponents and delight the fans.

In real life the Full Nelson is a brutal hold that can cause severe damage to the neck bones and muscles. However, it can be broken and, in my opinion, it is not a true submission hold.

- Mike
 
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Rick_James said:
I gotta be honest I'm not a big fan of the full nelson in wrestling, just because it seems like it'd be too easy to do it, kind of like the Big Shows WMD punch. I have used it in a few real life fights though and it's an amazing hold, almost impossible to break.
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Haha, did you win? :D

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Interestingly, we never looked at the Full Nelson as a submission hold back in the day. I don't recall ever seeing anyone give up when placed in a full nelson which was used rather infrequently.

What I do remember is a few wrestlers like Ricki Starr and Antonino Rocca who could wiggle out of it. Instead of straining to break the hold they would put their arms straight up in the air, loosen up all their muscles, and wiggle downwards and out of the hold. Ricki Starr was especially good at this and used it as a regular manuever to enrage his opponents and delight the fans.

In real life the Full Nelson is a brutal hold that can cause severe damage to the neck bones and muscles. However, it can be broken and, in my opinion, it is not a true submission hold.

- Mike
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I don't know, I see it as a complete submission hold cause it bloody hurts ... ha, and the only way to get out of it if you can;t break the hold or get yourself out is to submit, it brings on the same kind of pain that a Boston crab would do, or a camel clutch etc where it just pulls and hurts until you give up, it's interesting how the transition between wriggling out of the hold though came around as opposed to breaking it, I kinda like the idea of the talents trying to power their way out of it, getting tired and giving up, or coming back ... but yeah, it's an interesting one anyway.
 
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Arrogantly Grateful said:
I don't know, I see it as a complete submission hold cause it bloody hurts ... ha, and the only way to get out of it if you can;t break the hold or get yourself out is to submit, it brings on the same kind of pain that a Boston crab would do, or a camel clutch etc where it just pulls and hurts until you give up, it's interesting how the transition between wriggling out of the hold though came around as opposed to breaking it, I kinda like the idea of the talents trying to power their way out of it, getting tired and giving up, or coming back ... but yeah, it's an interesting one anyway.
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There are myriad holds that hurt and can cause serious physical injury. Most of them are actually quite simple, easy to apply, and will make an opponent submit pretty quickly. This is one of the reasons that legitimate shoot matches were eventually replaced by worked bouts - too many injuries and less than spectacular finishes.

What is most important here is how the hold fits in with Kayfabe and can be exploited in the unfolding sequencing of a match, NOT how much it hurts. Now, back in my day the Full Nelson was not used as a submission hold. The Kayfabe goal during that era for that particular hold was to give a guy like Ricki Starr a chance to humiliate a heel who clamped the hold on to him. It was used in a different way - to advance the sequencing of the bout, not as a finisher that ended it.

In more recent times it has been used as a finisher. Based on some of the video footage posted here it looked pretty good to me. While it didn't work in my day as a finisher, it was sold quite well by some of the more modern grapplers. The ones that made it look the best were the big, steroid muscled monsters whom we didn't have back in Golden Age of Wrestling. These guys could sell the Full Nelson as a submission because of their massive muscle size and strength.

The bottom line is that every hold and manuever is used to further the sequencing and eventual finish of a match. How the hold, such as the Full Nelson, is used toward this end can change as wrestling evolves.

- Mike
 
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I never liked the masterlock becuase he didn't seem like he could lock his fingers very well. My favorite version of the full nelson was Ken Patera's swinging neck breaker. He would apply a full nelson. swing his opponent around then stop and just put more pressure on the full nelson. Patera was a favorite of mine back then.
 
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