I don't mean putting on great matches,which he has been putting since WM23.
I mean like Austin 98-99,Rock 2000,HHH 2000 etc
I mean like Austin 98-99,Rock 2000,HHH 2000 etc
When was the Undertaker at his peak?
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You do realise it was the product as a whole that drew right?
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Taker's peak was when he was the Lord of Darkness and lead The Ministry.
His matches got better as he aged
His matches got better as he aged
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I wouldn't call him over-rated but it's not right to place him in same league as Hogan,Austin and Rock.As a draw,I would place HHH higher than Taker.He has had longevity,some great moments and has been relevant for 20 years.That is quite a rare combination.That alone would place him in top 10 of all time.
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Sorry, dude, but the pops he got as The Legendary Deadman (2004-now) dwarf the ones he got as ABA:
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He will go down as an Icon when he hangs up his boots, The Undertaker is the greatest gimmick in wrestling history, plus he has the steak and a has a wwe career that goes over 20 years, you are right saying he wasn't as big of a drew as Rock/Hogan/Austin, but making him the top guy like an Austin was just wouldn't have fitted in with his gimmick, that wasn't what he was about.
For the thread he peak with his Ministry of Darkness stable, thats what he gimmick was at his best. match wise the last 5 years are when he had his best matches, Early Undertaker was stuck with a lot of shit guys though and worked hard to try and get a passable match from people that no one else would be able to do anything with.
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Taker vs HBK was the last 5 star match before Punk vs Cena (According to meltzer of course).
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Gimmicks like his usually fizz out. But he had the dedication and determination to transform the gimmick so it never got stale. The Undertaker is unique and there will never be another Taker.
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I never cared for taker. He walks down the ramp at 1mph and his gimmick is boooooring. Atleast when he was the ABA he looked like hecould be defeated instead of steamrolling his way through the roster. PPL have a go at Cena for his winning but UT officially has the greatest win ratio in WWE history.
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So,it occurred after Austin vs Hart?
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Well,the match happened after Austin vs Bret,so yeah.
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Just as I said.
And one who thinks that the Undertaker isn't an icon has to be trolling around. Even those who don't watch wrestling know who he is. That itself justifies the statement that he is an icon. And those who think he's not a draw, he has been a top draw for over a decade now.
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I really can't say because he's never had a "definitive" period. He's always been around and provided quality. Whether it was before he officially became a main event mainstay in the mid 90s, or the late 90s during the Attitude Era or when he was one of the biggest Smackdown names from 2004-2009. And of course, he was also great as the American Badass from 2000-2003.
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He was, but so was(like you said) Foley, jericho, HHH, Kurt etc.. are they all Icons of this industry? I dont think so.
Yeah, not like 80% win record ever helped. When was the last time Taker lost a feud? 2002?
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So just because you say Taker isn't an icon, makes it true.
Well excuse me, I wasn't aware we were dealing with the god of wrestling.
Please I beg forgiveness for my sins against thee, I'm sure if you wanted to, you could make Hornswoggle and Nathan Jones as big as The Rock and Austin were just because you said so, right?
Well excuse me, I wasn't aware we were dealing with the god of wrestling.
Please I beg forgiveness for my sins against thee, I'm sure if you wanted to, you could make Hornswoggle and Nathan Jones as big as The Rock and Austin were just because you said so, right?
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Undertaker was at his absolute peak from the beginning of the feud with Mankind in 1996 to the end of his one-on-one feud with Kane (before Austin started getting involved - you could see Undertaker slowing down slightly at this point around Summerslam 98). He was also excellent in the mid to late 2000s. His American Bad Ass role was brilliant as a heel and on the promos, but as a wrestler he didn't really match up to his 90s exploits.
However, even though he was a terrific heel at the time, his worst matches came in 1999. He was really out of shape and injured at this time.
However, even though he was a terrific heel at the time, his worst matches came in 1999. He was really out of shape and injured at this time.
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2010. The Undertaker didn't win a single match against Kane throughout their feud.
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I was thinking American Badass Undertaker was 'Taker in his prime. I could be wrong, as my mind is a little hazy during that era.
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he peaked twice... 96-98 hbk hiac, mankind matches.... and then again edge fued and hbk matches few years back.
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In terms of my enjoyment it's easily his heel run from Dec 01-Jun 02 (became more of a tweener heading into that triple threat with Rock/Angle at Vengeance). That was his best mic work, always thought it was more of a natural role for him and he felt more comfortable and thrived in it since he could let loose on the mic. He played the character of the badass heel demanding respect to perfection. The heel turn was shocking and got him great heat because it was JR in Okolahoma and he was aligning himself with Vince. That's my favorite character of his and some of his feuds were epic in that time span (Flair, Hogan, the segments with Dreamer, match with Hardy).
In terms of in ring work, he's probably peaked recently within the last 5 years or so. His star power is probably at its height now as he's a special attraction considering he only wrestles sporadically. Those segments with Haitch on the RTWM did great in the TV ratings for example.
In terms of in ring work, he's probably peaked recently within the last 5 years or so. His star power is probably at its height now as he's a special attraction considering he only wrestles sporadically. Those segments with Haitch on the RTWM did great in the TV ratings for example.
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